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About 6 submarines is the deal signed ? If I am not wrong the Type 054's are coming too >?
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Of which origin?
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New Air Base Continues Pakistan Navy's Move From Karachi
Sep. 4, 2014 - 07:33PM | By USMAN ANSARI |
Pakistan's establishment of new airbases such as PNS Siddique in the southwest is part of a move away from bases in crowded Karachi, where an attack on the Mehran Naval Air Base destroyed this new P-3C Orion patrol aircraft in 2011. (Rizwan Tabassum/AFP)
ISLAMABAD — The Pakistani Navy this week commissioned a new air base intended to move its air assets away from the vulnerable and congested city of Karachi, and to help protect the coast and Pakistan’s maritime territory.
The new PNS Siddique Naval Air Base is in Turbat in the southwest province of Balochistan, near the strategic new deepwater port of Gwadar and to the Iranian border. Chief of Naval Staff Adm. Muhammad Asif Sandila was the chief guest at a ceremony Wednesday that marked the base’s official opening.
According to the Associated Press of Pakistan (APP), “The Aviation Base will strengthen seaward security along the Makran coast and beyond and will also lead to commercial flying activities, which would act as a catalyst for economic development of the Makran division in general and Kech District in particular.”
The Navy would not comment on what type of aircraft would be based there.
However, the consensus among analysts is that they are likely to be rotary and fixed-wing patrol types, and at present, at least, this may be all the base is able to support.
Analyst Kaiser Tufail, a former air commodore with the Pakistani Air Force, said PNS Siddique is currently unsuitable to base strike aircraft as it is “too far to pay a visit to our neighbors [India].” He noted, however, that Pasni, an air base shared by the Air Force and Navy, is “just 70 kilometers from Turbat.”
There have been security concerns about the Navy’s aircraft since the May 2011 attack on PNS Mehran Naval Air Base in Karachi that destroyed a number of aircraft, including two new P-3C Orion patrol planes.
The Navy’s Orions are now based in Pasni, but any remaining naval aircraft in Mehran “must get out,” said analyst Brian Cloughley, a former Australian defense attaché to Islamabad.
Enveloped by urban sprawl, Mehran is difficult to defend. Until it was hidden by stacked shipping containers, the apron at Mehran was visible from a flyover on the road just outside the base.
Though the new base is far safer than Mehran, it is nevertheless “somewhere else to have to guard,” Cloughley said.
However, PNS Siddique will also be another instrument of the Navy’s successful civilian outreach program, like its presence in the port of Ormara. In April the Navy shifted the bulk of its operational fleet, including it submarines, from the congested and polluted port of Karachi to Jinnah Naval Base in Ormara. The development of Jinnah Naval Base has led to considerable benefits for the local population.
Likewise, “facilities such as state-of-the-art hospital, education institution, etc., at PNS Siddique will enable the local populace access to quality services at their doorstep and set off a new era of prosperity in the region,” according to the APP report. ■
Email: uansari@defensenews.com.
funny i was at PNS Ormara yesterday, and i didnt see any submarines berthed there. there were only 2 FAC's and a dredger to be seen berthed. the submarine rebuild complex is a ways to go before subs can be berthed there.
Sep. 4, 2014 - 07:33PM | By USMAN ANSARI |
Pakistan's establishment of new airbases such as PNS Siddique in the southwest is part of a move away from bases in crowded Karachi, where an attack on the Mehran Naval Air Base destroyed this new P-3C Orion patrol aircraft in 2011. (Rizwan Tabassum/AFP)
ISLAMABAD — The Pakistani Navy this week commissioned a new air base intended to move its air assets away from the vulnerable and congested city of Karachi, and to help protect the coast and Pakistan’s maritime territory.
The new PNS Siddique Naval Air Base is in Turbat in the southwest province of Balochistan, near the strategic new deepwater port of Gwadar and to the Iranian border. Chief of Naval Staff Adm. Muhammad Asif Sandila was the chief guest at a ceremony Wednesday that marked the base’s official opening.
According to the Associated Press of Pakistan (APP), “The Aviation Base will strengthen seaward security along the Makran coast and beyond and will also lead to commercial flying activities, which would act as a catalyst for economic development of the Makran division in general and Kech District in particular.”
The Navy would not comment on what type of aircraft would be based there.
However, the consensus among analysts is that they are likely to be rotary and fixed-wing patrol types, and at present, at least, this may be all the base is able to support.
Analyst Kaiser Tufail, a former air commodore with the Pakistani Air Force, said PNS Siddique is currently unsuitable to base strike aircraft as it is “too far to pay a visit to our neighbors [India].” He noted, however, that Pasni, an air base shared by the Air Force and Navy, is “just 70 kilometers from Turbat.”
There have been security concerns about the Navy’s aircraft since the May 2011 attack on PNS Mehran Naval Air Base in Karachi that destroyed a number of aircraft, including two new P-3C Orion patrol planes.
The Navy’s Orions are now based in Pasni, but any remaining naval aircraft in Mehran “must get out,” said analyst Brian Cloughley, a former Australian defense attaché to Islamabad.
Enveloped by urban sprawl, Mehran is difficult to defend. Until it was hidden by stacked shipping containers, the apron at Mehran was visible from a flyover on the road just outside the base.
Though the new base is far safer than Mehran, it is nevertheless “somewhere else to have to guard,” Cloughley said.
However, PNS Siddique will also be another instrument of the Navy’s successful civilian outreach program, like its presence in the port of Ormara. In April the Navy shifted the bulk of its operational fleet, including it submarines, from the congested and polluted port of Karachi to Jinnah Naval Base in Ormara. The development of Jinnah Naval Base has led to considerable benefits for the local population.
Likewise, “facilities such as state-of-the-art hospital, education institution, etc., at PNS Siddique will enable the local populace access to quality services at their doorstep and set off a new era of prosperity in the region,” according to the APP report. ■
Email: uansari@defensenews.com.
funny i was at PNS Ormara yesterday, and i didnt see any submarines berthed there. there were only 2 FAC's and a dredger to be seen berthed. the submarine rebuild complex is a ways to go before subs can be berthed there.
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the bulk of the fleet is still at karachi, i heard that only subs will be moved to ormara.
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it is public knowledge, anyone who goes to container terminals has a full view of the navy dockyard. also you can always consult google maps for more info
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Pakistan Navy Foils Terrorist Attack on Naval Base
Sep. 9, 2014 - 05:40PM | By USMAN ANSARI
AA Fishing boats are moored Sept. 9 near a naval dockyard in Pakistan's port city of Karachi. The Pakistan Navy confirmed it fended off a terrorist attack from the sea on Sept. 6 but said no group has yet claimed responsibility. (ASIF HASSAN / AFP)Filed Under
ISLAMABAD — The Pakistan Navy last night revealed it had foiled a waterborne terrorist attack on a naval facility in Karachi on Sept. 6, killing two of the attackers and apprehending four more. However, a Navy petty officer was killed in the attack, and an officer and six sailors lightly wounded.
The attack on the Pakistan Navy Dockyard is the first time that a naval facility in Pakistan has been attacked by terrorists from the sea.
Though armed with grenades and assault rifles, they could have done considerable damage to any naval assets with the rocket-propelled grenades they were carrying if they had had the opportunity.
According to a Navy spokesman, the interrogation of the apprehended terrorists resulted in the apprehension of a number of accomplices elsewhere, which may explain the delay in reporting the attack.
The Navy would not comment on the identity of the attackers when contacted by Defense News, only saying that an investigation was still in progress.
There has not yet been a claim of responsibility.
Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said maritime and especially offshore facilities are difficult to protect, as can be seen with the tactics of environmental pressure groups like Greenpeace. Thus, “In essence, naval installation on sea shores are very hard to protect from attacks from the sea by non-state actors.”
Added to this, he said, the Navy has mainly concentrated on defending its facilities from conventional military attacks based on past experience.
“The Karachi naval dockyard was first targeted in December of 1971 by the Indian Navy when it towed Osa-class missile corvettes near the port and fired Styx anti-missiles at the assembled shipping and fuel storage facilities,” Khan said. "’Later, PN [the Navy] had installed a very elaborate plan to defend its only seaport using submarines, surface ships, aerial assets, and now have raised a special unit of the PN-Marines and PN-Special Service Group [SSG-N]. The PN also devised a comprehensive plan to move most of its submarines and surface vessels to Ormara, which is 250 kilometers west of Karachi and air assets to Turbat, which is approximately 300 kilometers west of Karachi.”
Khan said he wonders what route the terrorists took to the dockyard and where they began their attack from.
Analyst Brian Cloughley, a former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, said the Navy did well to fend off the attack that clearly had a good element of surprise.
“Certainly attacks are expected, given what has happened at various military bases over the past few years, but it’s simply not physically possible to guarantee 100 percent defense against penetration at such a vast complex as the dockyard,” he said. “The ready reaction force was on the spot very quickly indeed, and not only managed to thwart the attack but to capture some of the attackers, which I don’t think has happened before, and which will be most valuable in tracking down others.”
Cloughley said he thinks that fending off the attack, and its aftermath, will spur the military on against these terrorists.
“The death of the petty officer is much regretted and will make the services even more determined than ever to stamp out these criminals. But overall, the Navy is to be congratulated on the way it handled the affair,” he said.
Sep. 9, 2014 - 05:40PM | By USMAN ANSARI
AA Fishing boats are moored Sept. 9 near a naval dockyard in Pakistan's port city of Karachi. The Pakistan Navy confirmed it fended off a terrorist attack from the sea on Sept. 6 but said no group has yet claimed responsibility. (ASIF HASSAN / AFP)Filed Under
ISLAMABAD — The Pakistan Navy last night revealed it had foiled a waterborne terrorist attack on a naval facility in Karachi on Sept. 6, killing two of the attackers and apprehending four more. However, a Navy petty officer was killed in the attack, and an officer and six sailors lightly wounded.
The attack on the Pakistan Navy Dockyard is the first time that a naval facility in Pakistan has been attacked by terrorists from the sea.
Though armed with grenades and assault rifles, they could have done considerable damage to any naval assets with the rocket-propelled grenades they were carrying if they had had the opportunity.
According to a Navy spokesman, the interrogation of the apprehended terrorists resulted in the apprehension of a number of accomplices elsewhere, which may explain the delay in reporting the attack.
The Navy would not comment on the identity of the attackers when contacted by Defense News, only saying that an investigation was still in progress.
There has not yet been a claim of responsibility.
Analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said maritime and especially offshore facilities are difficult to protect, as can be seen with the tactics of environmental pressure groups like Greenpeace. Thus, “In essence, naval installation on sea shores are very hard to protect from attacks from the sea by non-state actors.”
Added to this, he said, the Navy has mainly concentrated on defending its facilities from conventional military attacks based on past experience.
“The Karachi naval dockyard was first targeted in December of 1971 by the Indian Navy when it towed Osa-class missile corvettes near the port and fired Styx anti-missiles at the assembled shipping and fuel storage facilities,” Khan said. "’Later, PN [the Navy] had installed a very elaborate plan to defend its only seaport using submarines, surface ships, aerial assets, and now have raised a special unit of the PN-Marines and PN-Special Service Group [SSG-N]. The PN also devised a comprehensive plan to move most of its submarines and surface vessels to Ormara, which is 250 kilometers west of Karachi and air assets to Turbat, which is approximately 300 kilometers west of Karachi.”
Khan said he wonders what route the terrorists took to the dockyard and where they began their attack from.
Analyst Brian Cloughley, a former Australian defense attache to Islamabad, said the Navy did well to fend off the attack that clearly had a good element of surprise.
“Certainly attacks are expected, given what has happened at various military bases over the past few years, but it’s simply not physically possible to guarantee 100 percent defense against penetration at such a vast complex as the dockyard,” he said. “The ready reaction force was on the spot very quickly indeed, and not only managed to thwart the attack but to capture some of the attackers, which I don’t think has happened before, and which will be most valuable in tracking down others.”
Cloughley said he thinks that fending off the attack, and its aftermath, will spur the military on against these terrorists.
“The death of the petty officer is much regretted and will make the services even more determined than ever to stamp out these criminals. But overall, the Navy is to be congratulated on the way it handled the affair,” he said.
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Wow- attacked from the sea!
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Nuclear Capabilities
- According to a report in the Washington Post on September 21, Pakistan is progressing toward achieving sea-based nuclear missile capabilities and is also expanding its interest in tactical nuclear warheads. According to analysts, this could give Pakistan a “second strike” capability in the event of the destruction of its land-based weapons.[4]
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So you wanna steal a frigate?
And so people have imagined stealing ships, and people have successfully stolen ships. With this in mind, how outlandish was the Al Qaeda plot to seize a Pakistani frigate and use it to attack U.S. warships? How hard is it to steal, and operate, a modern warship? After discussing the question with several naval professionals, the short answers seem to be: It depends, and it depends, but under any circumstances hijacking a warship would prove almost absurdly difficult.
How many people would you need? The answer depends on the condition of the ship, the sophistication of its systems, and the expertise of the personnel. Many functions are fairly basic, if the hijackers understand how to perform them. Engines that are in good condition can run with minimal maintenance for a time, and a handful of experienced sailors can steer a ship. A sufficiently prepared hijacking attempt might well manage to get a ship underway, depending on the level of base security. Slipping out of port (a complex task which depends on interaction with shore controllers, tugs, and other ships) would be more difficult.
What could and couldn’t you do with the ship? Again, the answer depends on how much access the hijackers have to ship systems, and on how familiar they are with the equipment. Sophisticated, well-trained hijackers could conceivably fire a weapon, but a successful attack requires not only firing the weapon but also identifying a target and vectoring the weapon to the target. Indeed, any hijackers able to get the ship moving might find that their best bet was simply to use the ship itself as a weapon, and ram an intended target.
Unfortunately for the hijackers, experience suggests that even a frigate sized warship can cause only moderate damage to a larger vessel.
How much expertise would the thieves require? A successful hijacking would absolutely require a deep familiarity with the ship’s systems, as well as a good working knowledge of the particular ship’s condition.
Even ships of the same class can develop quirks over time, and heavy use can affect different vessels in different ways, meaning that the crews need direct knowledge of the ship’s operations.
The theft of an entire warship would also be remarkably difficult to hide. Unless the entire crew were involved, the people left onshore would sound the alarm. The ship likely would not have access to its full suite of defensive systems, making it a sitting duck for sinking or recapture. Moreover, while the victimized navy might want its ship back intact, other navies are unlikely to have a sense of humor about a pirate-operated warship, and would probably attempt to sink or disable the ship at the earliest opportunity.
Modern navies, struggling with personnel costs, have tried their mightiest to reduce crew size over the last several decades. In practical terms, this means that there simply isn’t a lot of wasted space in a ship crew.
Hijackers could ignore or jerry-rig some of the critical functions of the ship, but probably not for long, and not very effectively.
The only serious threat would involve either a full-scale mutiny on the part of the crew, or, more seriously, a conspiracy among the senior officers. Given the evidence of Al Qaeda penetration into Pakistan’s Navy, the latter seems quite unlikely, but hardly impossible.
And so people have imagined stealing ships, and people have successfully stolen ships. With this in mind, how outlandish was the Al Qaeda plot to seize a Pakistani frigate and use it to attack U.S. warships? How hard is it to steal, and operate, a modern warship? After discussing the question with several naval professionals, the short answers seem to be: It depends, and it depends, but under any circumstances hijacking a warship would prove almost absurdly difficult.
How many people would you need? The answer depends on the condition of the ship, the sophistication of its systems, and the expertise of the personnel. Many functions are fairly basic, if the hijackers understand how to perform them. Engines that are in good condition can run with minimal maintenance for a time, and a handful of experienced sailors can steer a ship. A sufficiently prepared hijacking attempt might well manage to get a ship underway, depending on the level of base security. Slipping out of port (a complex task which depends on interaction with shore controllers, tugs, and other ships) would be more difficult.
What could and couldn’t you do with the ship? Again, the answer depends on how much access the hijackers have to ship systems, and on how familiar they are with the equipment. Sophisticated, well-trained hijackers could conceivably fire a weapon, but a successful attack requires not only firing the weapon but also identifying a target and vectoring the weapon to the target. Indeed, any hijackers able to get the ship moving might find that their best bet was simply to use the ship itself as a weapon, and ram an intended target.
Unfortunately for the hijackers, experience suggests that even a frigate sized warship can cause only moderate damage to a larger vessel.
How much expertise would the thieves require? A successful hijacking would absolutely require a deep familiarity with the ship’s systems, as well as a good working knowledge of the particular ship’s condition.
Even ships of the same class can develop quirks over time, and heavy use can affect different vessels in different ways, meaning that the crews need direct knowledge of the ship’s operations.
The theft of an entire warship would also be remarkably difficult to hide. Unless the entire crew were involved, the people left onshore would sound the alarm. The ship likely would not have access to its full suite of defensive systems, making it a sitting duck for sinking or recapture. Moreover, while the victimized navy might want its ship back intact, other navies are unlikely to have a sense of humor about a pirate-operated warship, and would probably attempt to sink or disable the ship at the earliest opportunity.
Modern navies, struggling with personnel costs, have tried their mightiest to reduce crew size over the last several decades. In practical terms, this means that there simply isn’t a lot of wasted space in a ship crew.
Hijackers could ignore or jerry-rig some of the critical functions of the ship, but probably not for long, and not very effectively.
The only serious threat would involve either a full-scale mutiny on the part of the crew, or, more seriously, a conspiracy among the senior officers. Given the evidence of Al Qaeda penetration into Pakistan’s Navy, the latter seems quite unlikely, but hardly impossible.
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Pakistan, Chinese navies commence bilateral naval exercise at Arabian Sea
KARACHI – Pakistan Navy and Chinese 17th Navy Convoy fleet began a bilateral naval exercise on Saturday with an aim to enhance interoperability and operational understanding.
Chinese 17th Navy Convoy Fleet, headed by Rear Admiral Deputy Chief of Staff East Sea Fleet Huang Xinjian arrived at Karachi today to participate in the exercise, which includes an elaborate harbour and sea phase.
The exercise; being first of the series is a landmark reflection of the historic ties between the two navies as well as a true manifestation of convergence of strategic interests of the two countries which will go a long way in promoting maritime security and stability in the region.
Pakistan Navy and PLA (N) have been interacting since long in order to improve upon the level of coordination, interoperability and training. The current bilateral naval exercise is unique in a way that it would cover the entire spectrum of multifaceted maritime operations involving Surface, Air and Special Forces elements.
The maiden exercise will lay sound foundation for subsequent exercises between both the navies in future.
Pakistan, Chinese navies commence bilateral naval exercise at Arabian Sea
پاک بحریہ کا بحیرہ عرب میں تارپیڈو اور اینٹی شپ گائیڈڈ میزائل کا کامیاب تجربہ
کراچی: پاک بحریہ نے جنگی مشقوں کے دوران تارپیڈو اور اینٹی شپ گائیڈڈ میزائل کے کامیاب تجربات کئے ہیں۔
ترجمان پاک بحریہ کے مطابق جنگی بیڑے نے شمالی بحیرہ عرب میں جاری فائر پاور مشقوں کے دوران آگسٹا نائنٹی بی کلاس آبدوز سے تارپیڈو میزائل جب کہ فاسٹ اٹیک میزائل ایئر کرافٹ سے اینٹی شپ گائیڈڈ فائر کیا، دونوں میزائلوں نے اپنے اہداف کو کامیابی کے ساتھ نشانہ بنایا۔ ترجمان پاک بحریہ کا کہناتھا کہ مشقوں کا بنیادی مقصد ہتھیاروں کے جدید نظام ، ہدف کے درست تعین اور خطرے کو جانچنا تھا۔
ایڈمرل آصف سندھیلہ نے مشقوں کا جائرہ لیا اور کامیاب تجربات پر پاک بحریہ کو مبارک باد پیش کی۔ اس کے علاوہ چین کے 2 بحری جہاز بھی پاک بحریہ کے ساتھ مشترکہ مشقوں کے لئے کراچی پہنچ گئے ہیں جو بحریہ کے ساتھ مشقوں میں بھرپور حصہ لیں گے۔
واضح رہے کہ گزشتہ روز بھی پاک فوج نے 60 کلو میٹر تک ایٹمی وار ہیڈ لے جانے والے حتف 9 نصر کا کامیاب تجربہ کیا تھا۔
پاک بحریہ کا بحیرہ عرب میں تارپیڈو اور اینٹی شپ گائیڈڈ میزائل کا کامیاب تجربہ – ایکسپریسس اردو
KARACHI – Pakistan Navy and Chinese 17th Navy Convoy fleet began a bilateral naval exercise on Saturday with an aim to enhance interoperability and operational understanding.
Chinese 17th Navy Convoy Fleet, headed by Rear Admiral Deputy Chief of Staff East Sea Fleet Huang Xinjian arrived at Karachi today to participate in the exercise, which includes an elaborate harbour and sea phase.
The exercise; being first of the series is a landmark reflection of the historic ties between the two navies as well as a true manifestation of convergence of strategic interests of the two countries which will go a long way in promoting maritime security and stability in the region.
Pakistan Navy and PLA (N) have been interacting since long in order to improve upon the level of coordination, interoperability and training. The current bilateral naval exercise is unique in a way that it would cover the entire spectrum of multifaceted maritime operations involving Surface, Air and Special Forces elements.
The maiden exercise will lay sound foundation for subsequent exercises between both the navies in future.
Pakistan, Chinese navies commence bilateral naval exercise at Arabian Sea
پاک بحریہ کا بحیرہ عرب میں تارپیڈو اور اینٹی شپ گائیڈڈ میزائل کا کامیاب تجربہ
کراچی: پاک بحریہ نے جنگی مشقوں کے دوران تارپیڈو اور اینٹی شپ گائیڈڈ میزائل کے کامیاب تجربات کئے ہیں۔
ترجمان پاک بحریہ کے مطابق جنگی بیڑے نے شمالی بحیرہ عرب میں جاری فائر پاور مشقوں کے دوران آگسٹا نائنٹی بی کلاس آبدوز سے تارپیڈو میزائل جب کہ فاسٹ اٹیک میزائل ایئر کرافٹ سے اینٹی شپ گائیڈڈ فائر کیا، دونوں میزائلوں نے اپنے اہداف کو کامیابی کے ساتھ نشانہ بنایا۔ ترجمان پاک بحریہ کا کہناتھا کہ مشقوں کا بنیادی مقصد ہتھیاروں کے جدید نظام ، ہدف کے درست تعین اور خطرے کو جانچنا تھا۔
ایڈمرل آصف سندھیلہ نے مشقوں کا جائرہ لیا اور کامیاب تجربات پر پاک بحریہ کو مبارک باد پیش کی۔ اس کے علاوہ چین کے 2 بحری جہاز بھی پاک بحریہ کے ساتھ مشترکہ مشقوں کے لئے کراچی پہنچ گئے ہیں جو بحریہ کے ساتھ مشقوں میں بھرپور حصہ لیں گے۔
واضح رہے کہ گزشتہ روز بھی پاک فوج نے 60 کلو میٹر تک ایٹمی وار ہیڈ لے جانے والے حتف 9 نصر کا کامیاب تجربہ کیا تھا۔
پاک بحریہ کا بحیرہ عرب میں تارپیڈو اور اینٹی شپ گائیڈڈ میزائل کا کامیاب تجربہ – ایکسپریسس اردو
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