Pakistan Navy commissions PNS Zarrar

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

and the boat is of the size of a medium/small fishing boat and you think that from that missiles can be launched, unless you want the people on it to be deep fried.
check its size - a 100 tonner

and this is the size of good sized coast guard vessel with the indian navy.

Advance Offshore Patrol Vessels
(AOPVs) : 04
Displacement (in tonnes) : Full load : 2000

http://indiancoastguard.nic.in/Indiancoastguard/force/aopv.jpg

INDIAN COAST GUARD

Are you suggesting that the manufacturer is lying, or just astonished at the capability of a boat its size?

The new member of the MRTP® (Multi Role Tactical Platform) family of boats, a concept created and developed by Kaan N.Z. Onuk; has improved sea keeping, highly stealthy characteristics, and is able to carry larger mission equipment/payload such as combined 30mm gun and short range SSM stabilized launcher, surface-to-surface medium range F&F fiber guided missiles, EO fire control systems and decoys.

MISSION MODULES
ONUK MRTP®33 can be equipped with various mission modules depending on the customer requirements. Despite the size of the platform, these modules have been integrated with the modularity and reconfigurability objectives in mind. Thus, the platform can be reconfigured with different mission modules, increasing dramatically the operational flexibility and reducing the costs. The mission modules would be:
Multi weapon mounts.
- Stabilized naval turret with up to 30 mm. gun
(+ short range SSM).
- Medium range SSM (Total weights up to 5 tons).
- Short range SAM.
- 2 x 12.7 mm. heavy MG.
Multi sensor surveillance unit
(EOD with capabilty of controlling the main gun).
Search and rescue equipment
Decoys
SOF (Special Operation Forces) support/SDV (Seal Delivery Vehicle)
Pollution control

Yonca - Onuk JV.

 

[bhangra12345]

Are you suggesting that the manufacturer is lying, or just astonished at the capability of a boat its size?

Yonca - Onuk JV.

The problem is lack of details, what is puny for me and you can be described as medium in a different scenario. So I take these type of descriptions with a bagful of salt.

What is the range of "medium range SSM" in this aspect, i.e. what exact "missile" are you talking about? I was talking about missiles of the size they were talking about like C-802 mentioned in this forum.

He talks about "total weight =5 tons", so does this include the launch vehicle? will they have to sacrifice even the guns and such for this?

"Astonished"- nah! not at all, you are asking a fishing boat sized thing and in the same breadth talking of carrying missiles, should I say "newton's laws proved wrong."

When a missile is launched, the launch vehicles generate huge temps and surrounding the launcher should have very high armour, which cant be put on such a small system.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Bhangra:

I guess we'll have to wait and see what the PN configures it with.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Bhangra:

I guess we'll have to wait and see what the PN configures it with.

Its for Coastal Patrolling.........

Will be Fitted with SAM's (if not yet).........

Keep in mind that we are developing GWADAR and ORMARA regions... We need effective patrolling throughout the Coastal area

 

[salman nedian]

Is any one of you have the knowledge of F-22p frigates ?

 

[EagleEyes]

unless you want to kid me.

SURFACE WARRIORS - PN

Look at the size of Chinese licensed boats.

This thread. http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/7477-c-802-anti-ship-cruise-missile.html

 

[bhangra12345]

SURFACE WARRIORS - PN

Look at the size of Chinese licensed boats.

This thread. http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/7477-c-802-anti-ship-cruise-missile.html

saw the fire behind the land missile launch?? How do you think a 100 tonner would be able to manage.

and note that I only this missile wont fit on this particular ship, not on other PN ships

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Jallalat Class Missile Boats:

200 ton displacement
Dimensions: 39 x 6.7 x 1.7 meters
4 C-802 missiles


MRTP®33
Displacement: 120 tonne
Dimensions: 35.60m x 6.7 x 1.4

Houdong class
Houdong class missile boat is the newest upgrade of the Type 021 class missile boat. The new boat is modified to carry C-801/802/803 while retained the hull of the original Type 021.
Displacement 205 ton
Dimensions:38.6 x 6.8 x 2.7

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While there is a difference in displacement, the dimensions of the Jallat class and the Houdong class are almost identical to those of the MRTP-33.

Onuk states "Medium range SSM (Total weights up to 5 tons)". 4536 kilograms

The weight of the C802: 715 kg

It could also potentially be equipped with the shorter range missiles.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Found an image of the Jallalat class equipped with the C 802's:



Considering the similarity in dimensions of the Jallalt and the MRTP 33, I don't understand why the latter could not be equipped with the C802's (perhaps only 2).

 

[blain2]

not sure if the people are discussing the choice of AShMs for the Zarrar, it will most likely be equipped with Harpoon AShMs. The Turks have specified the Harpoon as the primary AShM capability for this boat.

Here is a reference:

According to the latest issue (Vol XXX, Issue 11) of Military Technology:

The Pakistan Navy has ordered two MRTP 33 120t Fast Attack Craft from the Turkish yard Yonca-Onuk. The boats, which will be delivered in February and March 2008, respectively will be capable of a maximum speed in excess of 47 knots and will be armed with four HARPOON Block II anti-ship missiles, a 30mm gun on a stabilized turret and two 12.7mm HMGs. The Pakistani Navy is expected to procure an eventual total of eight MRTP 33s. This is the launch order for the MRTP 33 design, which is an enlarged version of the MRTP 29 boats, nine of which are operated by the Turkish Coast Guard Command.

PN have taken delivery or have on order about 120 Harpoons.

Originally Posted by HAIDER View Post
why coast guard need missile boat ?

The boats are for "Littoral" warfare which comes under the aegis of the Pakistan Navy. These have nothing to do with Pakistani MSA (in Pakistan, the MSA is responsible for the coast guard duties along the country's EEZ) and the coast guard are used against smuggling etc. on land adjacent to the EEZ. The Coast Guard is usually commanded by an Army officer whereas the MSA is commanded by the Navy.

 

[bhangra12345]

The Coast Guard is usually commanded by an Army officer whereas the MSA is commanded by the Navy.

Coast guard commanded by an Army officer

 

[EagleEyes]

Yes, Harpoons will be the primary weapons so no need for C-802. IMO, Harpoons are too good.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

not sure if the people are discussing the choice of AShMs for the Zarrar, it will most likely be equipped with Harpoon AShMs. The Turks have specified the Harpoon as the primary AShM capability for this boat.

Here is a reference:


PN have taken delivery or have on order about 120 Harpoons.


The boats are for "Littoral" warfare which comes under the aegis of the Pakistan Navy. These have nothing to do with Pakistani MSA (in Pakistan, the MSA is responsible for the coast guard duties along the country's EEZ) and the coast guard are used against smuggling etc. on land adjacent to the EEZ. The Coast Guard is usually commanded by an Army officer whereas the MSA is commanded by the Navy.

i AGREE...

 

[Black Stone]

unless you want to kid me.

No, your kidding yourself if you are underestimating the capability of this boat.

 

[JK!]

Yes, Harpoons will be the primary weapons so no need for C-802. IMO, Harpoons are too good.

Israels tri-force nuclear detterant includes nuke tipped harpoon missiles for second strike.

Could Pakistan do this for surface comabatants and its submarines?