Pakistan Naval Aviation - Updated

[Informant]

pehlay daytay hain phir hamla karwa kar ura daytay hain

Our neighbour is more in a better position of a plane being down rather than Amreeka. We have had intelligence confirmations about Indian involvement. You know who carried it out? Pakistanis. Ham he apni cheezain urdadete hain

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

I swear this Nishan dude suffers from memory loss!

Memory loss ? Brain loss would be more precise.

 

[Inception-06]

I swear this Nishan dude suffers from memory loss!

muahahaha I could not stop laughing muahaha mere hasa nai klota

 

[fatman17]

Lynx being stripped for spares.

 

[FunkyGen]

K two questions.....
1-Are we getting all 7 P3s? and if yes what would be the final number?
2-Also don't you think that these are more than what is required?
Thanks in advance.

 

[fatman17]

K two questions.....
1-Are we getting all 7 P3s? and if yes what would be the final number?
2-Also don't you think that these are more than what is required?
Thanks in advance.

current stock is 7. PK has requested 2 replacements for the attrition losses at mehran. 9 P3C should suffice even though 3 Additional P3C airframes were allocated to fix the hawkeye-2000 radar under a 900m FMS plan but the deal fell through.

 

[Nishan_101]

10+ Aloutte IIIs should be given off to NDMA/PAF. Also They should replace the 6 Sea King as they can be sold to any other country and buy some Chinese alternative about 14-16 of them... and also to increase the fleet of Z9s from 12 to 21 of them.

 

[fatman17]

Boeing to target current P-3 operators for MSA sales

By: Jon Hemmerdinger
Washington DC
Source: Flightglobal.com
This story is sourced from Flightglobal.com
19:08 8 Apr 2014

Boeing’s maritime surveillance aircraft (MSA), which is based on a Bombardier Challenger 605 platform, will be an ideal aircraft for countries that already operate Lockheed P-3 Orions, the company says.

Speaking at the Navy League’s Sea-Air-Space Exposition near Washington DC, company officials add that potential customers will also be countries in the Asia-Pacific and Persian Gulf.

“Likely customers are going to be [countries] with a challenging maritime environment,” says Jeff Brown, Boeing’s director of business development for electronic and information solutions. He adds that the MSA will be an ideal platform for performing surveillance of economic maritime zones within roughly 170nm (320km) of coasts.

“A plane like the Challenger can get to station quickly and spend a longer amount of time there” than turboprop-driven alternatives like the P-3, says Brown.

Boeing
He declines to name potential customers, but Flightglobal’s MiliCAS database shows that Persian Gulf and Asia-Pacific operators of the P-3 include Australia, Japan, New Zealand, South Korea, Taiwan and Thailand. P-3 operators in other regions include Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Germany, Norway, Pakistan, Portugal and Spain.

A prototype MSA achieved first flight on 28 February, following modifications to a Challenger 604 test asset performed by Toronto-based Field Aviation. The test aircraft was subsequently flown to a Boeing facility in Yuma, Arizona, where flight testing will continue, Field says.

Flight testing is scheduled to conclude by the end of 2014, with production to start in 2015, Field says.

Boeing says it has targeted 20 to 30 potential customers, and estimates the market value to be $10 billion over 10 years. The aircraft will be marketed to coast guards, militaries and other government operators, according to Field.

The base version of the MSA will be manned by two pilots and three system operators. It will be offered with a Selex ES Seaspray 7300 maritime surveillance radar and a FLIR Systems Star Safire 380 electro-optical/infrared sensor. Options will include two additional crew stations and equipment such as satellite communications and a side-looking airborne radar, says Field. Future aircraft could also be outfitted with weapons mounted on wing hardpoints, it adds.

 

[Quwa]

The Pakistan Navy picking up a few Boeing MSAs would not surprise me, but it seems they've settled on the ATR-72. Anyways, a direct P-3 replacement such as P-8 is well beyond Pakistan's financial means. A single Boeing MSA, even if it is an armed variant, will still likely sit well below $100mn a piece (current estimates place it at $55-60mn).

 

[Imran Khan]

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

The Pakistan Navy picking up a few Boeing MSAs would not surprise me, but it seems they've settled on the ATR-72. Anyways, a direct P-3 replacement such as P-8 is well beyond Pakistan's financial means. A single Boeing MSA, even if it is an armed variant, will still likely sit well below $100mn a piece (current estimates place it at $55-60mn).

ATR-72 is not an MSA.
The ATR is the replacement of F-27, and they "may" be modified to perform the MPA role in the future.

The backbone of PN LRMP's remains the P-3C.

The Boeing MSA is still in the T&T phase and it needs a long time to mature as an MSA, before it is inducted by any country as their main MSA platform.

 

[Indus Falcon]

ATR-72 is not an MSA.
The ATR is the replacement of F-27, and they "may" be modified to perform the MPA role in the future.

The backbone of PN LRMP's remains the P-3C.

The Boeing MSA is still in the T&T phase and it needs a long time to mature as an MSA, before it is inducted by any country as their main MSA platform.

Could you address the shortcomings of the P8 in reference to the P3C? Would appreciate it!

Thanks!!

 

[Bilal.]

current stock is 7. PK has requested 2 replacements for the attrition losses at mehran. 9 P3C should suffice even though 3 Additional P3C airframes were allocated to fix the hawkeye-2000 radar under a 900m FMS plan but the deal fell through.

I am a little confused. We originally received 3 due to brown amendment, one was lost in training accident. then we recieved 8 so the total was supposed to be 10, 2 were lost in PNS Mehran incident. Souldn't that leave 8 in inventory?

 

[Indus Falcon]

"Ahmad says the service and Boeing are working on "increment two" improvements that will give P-8s the ability to conduct wide-area ASW acoustic search; a capability currently available on upgraded P-3Cs."

Which proves P8 is currently inferior to P3

Reduced P-8 buy to affect price, not fleet plan - 4/8/2014 - Flight Global

 

[fatman17]

I am a little confused. We originally received 3 due to brown amendment, one was lost in training accident. then we recieved 8 so the total was supposed to be 10, 2 were lost in PNS Mehran incident. Souldn't that leave 8 in inventory?

one airframe was for spares.....