Pakistan must not be used for terror, Singh tells Zardari

[blain2]

intelligence inputs cant get international opinion on your side.please point out an incident....or some raw agent caught functioning from afghanistani Indian consulate.Up until the taliban started swarming swat...most of the pakstani memebers were blaming india for the terrorist bombings.

Bomb attack against the Pakistani ambassador to SL, various bombings and attacks against LEA members in Balochistan etc. etc have a definite Indian footprint and not getting international opinion on our side does not mean it does not happen. International opinion goes with better PR, which you folks do a better job of then Pakistan. This opinion is many times faulty and ill informed based on the input given to it. The issue of supposed Iraqi nuclear weapons by the US and the Western media is a case in point.

Back in 1971 too, your PR did a good job of hiding the fact that MB members in the thousands were being trained and equipped to undermine the sovereign state of Pakistan.

So the Indian hands are definitely not clean. The intent to undermine Pakistan has been there, the means are also there and the involvement is also there.

Pakistan does not undertake covert intelligence operations in a vacuum. There is activity on the Indian side as well thus the Pakistani reaction (sometimes its proactive and at others it is reactive - same as your side).

 

[Goodperson]

Bomb attack against the Pakistani ambassador to SL, various bombings and attacks against LEA members in Balochistan etc. etc have a definite Indian footprint and not getting international opinion on our side does not mean it does not happen. International opinion goes with better PR, which you folks do a better job of then Pakistan. This opinion is many times faulty and ill informed based on the input given to it. The issue of supposed Iraqi nuclear weapons by the US and the Western media is a case in point.

Back in 1971 too, your PR did a good job of hiding the fact that MB members in the thousands were being trained and equipped to undermine the sovereign state of Pakistan.

So the Indian hands are definitely not clean. The intent to undermine Pakistan has been there, the means are also there and the involvement is also there.

Pakistan does not undertake covert intelligence operations in a vacuum. There is activity on the Indian side as well thus the Pakistani reaction (sometimes its proactive and at others it is reactive - same as your side).

All Speculation atleast you could have posted links from so called friends of Pakistan countries.

 

[soldRoMeo1]

Bomb attack against the Pakistani ambassador to SL, various bombings and attacks against LEA members in Balochistan etc. etc have a definite Indian footprint
.

Definite Indian footprint? Like you caught some India terrorist there or what.

Even the Sri Lankans said it was LTTE...how come you came to your conclusion.

Caught up in Zaid Hamid propaganda eh...

 

[Screaming Skull]

First of all it is all quoted by the Indian media so I will look for sources which are not bias ... secondly, even if this is entirely true then it could have been arranged for public consumption at home ...

There is a set of protocols designed before such meetings and it could have been a request from the Indian side to allow MM Singh to make such statement ...

This is nothing of importance as leadership from both sides have made such comments many a time ...

Hi,

You could have atleast googled before traversing the same old muddy path. Anyway, as they say 'seeing is believing'.

 

[PeacefulIndian]

Bomb attack against the Pakistani ambassador to SL, various bombings and attacks against LEA members in Balochistan etc. etc have a definite Indian footprint and not getting international opinion on our side does not mean it does not happen. International opinion goes with better PR, which you folks do a better job of then Pakistan. This opinion is many times faulty and ill informed based on the input given to it. The issue of supposed Iraqi nuclear weapons by the US and the Western media is a case in point.

Back in 1971 too, your PR did a good job of hiding the fact that MB members in the thousands were being trained and equipped to undermine the sovereign state of Pakistan.

So the Indian hands are definitely not clean. The intent to undermine Pakistan has been there, the means are also there and the involvement is also there.

Pakistan does not undertake covert intelligence operations in a vacuum. There is activity on the Indian side as well thus the Pakistani reaction (sometimes its proactive and at others it is reactive - same as your side).

If indeed so, why is your administration not making any noise over it? Well, they are, like Rehman Malik's accusations of India meddling in Balochistan. But when it comes to international fora, your administration just looks to defend everything. And in Gilani's last comment on this matter, he categoricolly said that 'when there is evidence, it will be taken to appropriate levels'. Implying that there is none so far, making it a case of accusing first & finding evidence later.

And just going by pure logic, as you are doing here, your administration would have made a huge bruhaha about even an iota of evidence found. So logically speaking, there is NO evidence so far.

 

[Joshi]

have a definite Indian footprint

We never heard. We never saw. We never knew.

International opinion goes with better PR

Was it good PR by India, that helped Ajmal Qasab to be caught alive so that Pakistani hand was proven??
Sure PR matters. But a good amount of truth is also necessary. Pakistan tried it's best PR stunts until before 9/11. After that the covers were off the stage and Pakistani game got exposed. Doesn't the list of excuses to wash off the truth ever ends?

 

[SSGPA1]

Hi,

You could have atleast googled before traversing the same old muddy path. Anyway, as they say 'seeing is believing'.

Z5LzUvdH2m4[/media] - PM Singh and Pak President Zardari meet in Russia

Whewre the hell does Singh made that comment in this clip??

Where did Zardari suugested to wait till reporters leave???

DOn't waste my time unless you have a clip showing exactly what the Indian or pro India is reproting!!

 

[SSGPA1]

Former President Musharraf was asked by an Indian politician a similar question and response from President Musharraf was that we do exactly what the other side does.

If we have matuire Indians here who can accept the fact and talk about the solution of core issue, Kashmir, then it is definetly worth exchanging points. However, if we have unmature Indians who think that Indian secret agencies are not involved in terrorist activites then there is no point.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Pakistan tried it's best PR stunts until before 9/11. After that the covers were off the stage and Pakistani game got exposed. Doesn't the list of excuses to wash off the truth ever ends?

What covers?

Everyone knew Pakistan was supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan just like Iran and India were supporting the Northern Alliance warlords.

Similarly, most nations were aware of Pakistani support for the Kashmiri freedom movement in J&K - the tipping point came with the assault on the Indian parliament, which pushed the two nuclear nations almost to war, and illustrated that perhaps some of the insurgent groups were no longer under control and had to be reigned in. Pakistan then changed policies, reigned in the militant groups, almost eliminated cross-LoC infiltrations and engaged India in dialog.

 

[soldRoMeo1]

What covers?

Everyone knew Pakistan was supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan just like Iran and India were supporting the Northern Alliance warlords.

Similarly, most nations were aware of Pakistani support for the Kashmiri freedom movement in J&K - the tipping point came with the assault on the Indian parliament, which pushed the two nuclear nations almost to war, and illustrated that perhaps some of the insurgent groups were no longer under control and had to be reigned in. Pakistan then changed policies, reigned in the militant groups, almost eliminated cross-LoC infiltrations and engaged India in dialog.

If the supposed \\\'Freedom fighters\\\' are under another nations control, how come they are freedom fighters? Seems like you accept that the terrorists in Kashmir as Pakistani mercenary stooges.

What covers?

Everyone knew Pakistan was supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan just like Iran and India were supporting the Northern Alliance warlords.

.

And please stop hiding behind the excuse that we did so because India did that...absolutely no proof of any involvement just the same whining that India sponsors terrorism so we will too.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If the supposed \\\'Freedom fighters\\\' are under another nations control, how come they are freedom fighters? Seems like you accept that the terrorists in Kashmir as Pakistani mercenary stooges.

They are freedom fighters because they are fighting for freedom from Indian occupation, its simple really.

And please stop hiding behind the excuse that we did so because India did that...absolutely no proof of any involvement just the same whining that India sponsors terrorism so we will too.

Pleas stop your bald faced lying and denials of Indian support for the actions pointed out.

Now apparently you want to deny Indian support for the East Pakistan insurgency , Northern Alliance and the LTTE.

Peddle your lies and delusions elsewhere.

 

[paritosh]

Bomb attack against the Pakistani ambassador to SL, various bombings and attacks against LEA members in Balochistan etc. etc have a definite Indian footprint and not getting international opinion on our side does not mean it does not happen. International opinion goes with better PR, which you folks do a better job of then Pakistan. This opinion is many times faulty and ill informed based on the input given to it. The issue of supposed Iraqi nuclear weapons by the US and the Western media is a case in point.

Back in 1971 too, your PR did a good job of hiding the fact that MB members in the thousands were being trained and equipped to undermine the sovereign state of Pakistan.

So the Indian hands are definitely not clean. The intent to undermine Pakistan has been there, the means are also there and the involvement is also there.

Pakistan does not undertake covert intelligence operations in a vacuum. There is activity on the Indian side as well thus the Pakistani reaction (sometimes its proactive and at others it is reactive - same as your side).

well you cant prove it can you?
you have sarabjit singh a raw agent in your grasp...and still you haven't publicized the issue of him being involved in some bomb blasts...other than that lone guy...you have nothing to prove the aforesaid.
as you pointed out it's all about good PR+fantastic lobbying.
the ruskies couldn't prove $hit about the U2 breaching their borders....before they shot one down and caught the pilot...the whole process of trails and stuff was conducted for the international medai to see...everything was displayed..that was to get international leverage...and the americans were left red-faced.
we caught kasab...and that is for all to see...the whole thing is like a drama..but it pays...people in paksitan either dont have solid proofs against these indian agents or are too incompetent to present their case elaborately to get leverage out of it.

 

[paritosh]

They are freedom fighters because they are fighting for freedom from Indian occupation, its simple really.

well there are freedom movements in pakistan too..i can name some...how'd you like if we start supporting them(if you believe that we already are..then it is justified by your argument)

Pleas stops your bald faced lying and denials of Indian support for the actions pointed out.

Now apparently you want to deny Indian support for the East Pakistan insurgency , Northern Alliance and the LTTE.

Peddle your lies and delusions elsewhere.

1)east pakistan:indra gandhi screamed her a$$ off trying to get the world's attention about the fallout of the pakistan's maltreatment of it's eastern populace....nobody listened...the result was an exodus of refugees from the eastern side of the bangla border...even the americans repent not considering our warnings....why dont we talk about that as well?
2)NA:Na got weapons from the coalition(of which we are not a part of)...if they are getting american and russian weapons why the heck would they want indian weapons and the Us gives you grants of billion dollars...they'd have taken care of the NA's monetary needs as well.we did provide help in form of battle clothing and doctors...not a single indian soldier has ever been sent to afghanistan.
3)LTTE:this is all speculation...if the LTTE is indeed 'our' inbred organization...then why the heck would it attack and kill 1000s of the IPKF?why would we get our men killed and face embarrassment?calling it a cunning political move would be unjust for the souls of those departed.i will ask you something...what has been the driving factor in the SL/Pak friendship or the SL/china one?it has been the threat posed by the LTTE...now we morally couldn't sell the lankans offensive weapons...we sold them radars and defensive weapons...so the lankans were dependent on pakistan and china for their weapons and so grew your friendship...which wasn't a good thing for us.Wouldn't instead we'd want the LTTE to be rooted out? so that paksitan and china loose their strategic edge over SL?your allegations o us supporting the LTTE doesn't ake sense...however i might add...we do suppost the tamil cause....and want it to be achieved peacefully by the enacting if the 52nd amendment.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

well there are freedom movements in pakistan too..i can name some...how'd you like if we start supporting them(if you believe that we already are..then it is justified by your argument)

This is a tired and lame argument debunked over and over again - Kashmir is disputed territory, and I consider India to be occupying it because India has outright refused to implement the UNSC resolutions that she herself agreed to - resolutions that called for the Kashmiri's to vote in a plebiscite to determine their future.

Where are those conditions replicated in Pakistan?

Nor am I in favor of supporting insurgencies in Indian Punjab, the eastern Indian States etc.

And just so it is clear, India did support an insurgency in a sovereign undisputed East Pakistan.

1)east pakistan:indra gandhi screamed her a$$ off trying to get the world's attention about the fallout of the pakistan's maltreatment of it's eastern populace....nobody listened...the result was an exodus of refugees from the eastern side of the bangla border...even the americans repent not considering our warnings....why dont we talk about that as well?

Howash - please read the previous posts I made on this thread and others.

2)NA:Na got weapons from the coalition(of which we are not a part of)...if they are getting american and russian weapons why the heck would they want indian weapons and the Us gives you grants of billion dollars...they'd have taken care of the NA's monetary needs as well.we did provide help in form of battle clothing and doctors...not a single indian soldier has ever been sent to afghanistan.

India supported them, it does not matter how you supported them.

3)LTTE:this is all speculation...[/QUOTE]
It is not speculation - India created the LTTE - there was even a video of an LTTE training camp run by India posted in this forum.

Don't deny your history of supporting insurgencies and proxies.

 

[EjazR]

The moment they started targeting civilians (whether they be Hindus or Muslims ), targeted assassinations of politicians, killing JKLF leaders who were pro Independence but anti-Pakistan, then they seize to be freedom fighters and became just terrorists. LeT, Al Badr e.t.c are all part of these groups.

Musharraf had taken steps to curb these elements because of the anti-pakistan affect it was having among the Kashmiris as well as world opinion and also in all respects because it was not good for Pakistan itself at how it was militarizing a section of the populace there. If the present administration can continue and act upon this it will go along way in restoring the trust deficit.