Pakistan must be punished whether I live or Die.

[Muradk]

Muradk,

The original article is from Times and re-posted on Rense ( not exactly a mainstream paper) It goes back to June 2004! Fernandez has not been the Minister of Defense in a while. In 4 years a lot of people have had a chance to learn about nukes, and especially what they are capable of.

'I Don't Care Whether I Live Or Die - We Must Punish Pakistan'

How relevant is this in today's India / Pakistan context? Do the Nuclear missiles mock ups still stand in Pakistan's major cities or have they since been taken down?

When I last visited India, I did not see a single missile mock up of ANY kind!

I read it and thought it was interesting so I posted it, I know Mr. Fernandez is not at that post I met him at the Embassy of India in DC at Independence day party a long time ago, a briliant man.
And yes I do see the Mock ups every now and then behind our trucks in Pakistan.

 

[Vinod2070]

While foreigners are packing up and leaving India, scared off by the prospect of a nuclear war, Indian peace campaigners are trying to convince their fellow citizens that a danger really exists.

This statement itself gives the article's credibility away. The number of foreign tourists both business and pleasure has only increased in India. This is backed by the simple fact that Indian hotel tarriffs are among the highest in the world (unfortunately for the likes of us). I don't remember any dip in 2004 or since.

Just a scare-mongering useless piece of journalism without any facts and cooked up figures.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

I read it and thought it was interesting so I posted it, I know Mr. Fernandez is not at that post I met him at the Embassy of India in DC at Independence day party a long time ago, a briliant man.
And yes I do see the Mock ups every now and then behind our trucks in Pakistan.

Last time i was in my city, Islamabad, I saw the Ghauri on the main round about in F-10. Is it changed now. I doubt that!

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

And why should we take it out..
Its the pride of the nation that it has a deterret against whom ever is the aggressor.
Taking pride in achievements is not any offensive or hatered developing intention.

 

[Contrarian]

We certainly will not sit and watch. We will defend our brothers and once in for all prove what Pakistan can do.

Lol, you are a fool if you think that Pakistan would ever intervene in a war against Israel.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Lol, you are a fool if you think that Pakistan would ever intervene in a war against Israel.

And some of us are bigger fools if they think that Iran is going to start a war with Israel to get itself vanished by all US and NATO and Israel.

To think of this is stupidity, i would say, Iran is not going to target Israel and Israel vice versa.

 

[Contrarian]

And some of us are bigger fools if they think that Iran is going to start a war with Israel to get itself vanished by all US and NATO and Israel.

To think of this is stupidity, i would say, Iran is not going to target Israel and Israel vice versa.

When push comes to shove, Israel has repeatedly shown, it is not afraid of initiating a war. The post was about Israel vs other Middle Eastern countries. There is no way Pakistan could ever intervene in that directly.

 

[ahussains]

So far who ever says this "Pakistan must be punished whether I live or Die"
Will Never live ..

Sheikh Mujeeb Ur Rehman.
Indra Gandhi.
Rajeev Gandhi.


and many others also

 

[BATMAN]

74 per cent believe that India should attack.

I believe those 74% would be 100% Hindus!
I wonder what else can I term it other than 'extreme extremist' or 'all extremist' ??? Which is dangerous not only for Pakistan but also for the whole humanity.
For this reason I always believed Pakistan is not only a castle of Islam actually it is a castle of humanity.
Just imagine a world where no Pakistan exisit.
Un-tolerable Indian imperialism will be imposed in larger Asia and middle east.
All countries in Indian missiles sphere would be forced to buy cheap Indian products and labour, where as Indian mafia in west can force the west to transfer modern technology to India and eventually improving quality of Indian products and than competeing with western products after stealling western R&D.
With irony of such beliefs India could attack any state if no counter measures are taken immediately by the international community or mainly Asian states.

"We doubt Pakistan's capability because their missiles are all smuggled,"
"India made its own so they will work, but Pakistan's won't."

Yes, we all know this Indian anthem.
Ask any Indian he will tell you the story in exactly the same text book words.
I always wondered is it really a part of Indian primary school cirriculum?
It seems every single Indian is ignorant to the fact that all Indian defence developments are failure despite massive foreign collaboration and incorporating foreign made parts and when they learn opposite things on international forums, they simply refuse to accept the hard facts and keep discussing specifications of virtuall products or keep forcing 'indegionus' on Russian made missiles and Israeli made concept flying machine.

"There is virtually no peace movement in India. That's very disturbing."

Very true Indeed.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

So far who ever says this "Pakistan must be punished whether I live or Die"
Will Never live ..

Sheikh Mujeeb Ur Rehman.
Indra Gandhi.
Rajeev Gandhi.


and many others also

Did they say it or are you imagining such things to give yourself some consolation?

Why attribute things that has not been said?

While I appreciate your anguish and sorrow for the current situation in Pakistan, one need not bring in ridiculous ideas.

May I request you to contribute to peace of mind and not use straws as if you are a drowning man!

Yes, there is a serious situation and very sad one at that too, but then we must retain sanity in this hour of crisis, be you a Pakistan or a non Pakistani. All is still not lost to have such despondency be exhibited with irrelevance.

This is a crisis not only for Pakistan, but also for the sub continent and even the world.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I believe those 74% would be 100% Hindus!
I wonder what else can I term it other than 'extreme extremist' or 'all extremist' ??? Which is dangerous not only for Pakistan but also for the whole humanity.

On what do you base this wonderful statistic except for your fertility of imagination, inhibitions and maybe even fears.

For this reason I always believed Pakistan is not only a castle of Islam actually it is a castle of humanity.

Is that what you really believe?

Just look around and see what is happening in your castle of humanity.

Unlike you, I am not prone to fertile imagery and dramatic statements. Pakistan, as far as I see, is in a good or as bad state as any other nation in the world. It is only that of late the AQ and Taliban terrorists seem to have hijacked the law and order situation and are even challenging the Pakistani Army and Pakistani para military. These are the forces that must be addressed and wiped out. Once done, Pakistan would return to normalcy and the citizens given a break from this madness and elections held in a free and fair manner.

Just imagine a world where no Pakistan exisit.
Un-tolerable Indian imperialism will be imposed in larger Asia and middle east.
All countries in Indian missiles sphere would be forced to buy cheap Indian products and labour, where as Indian mafia in west can force the west to transfer modern technology to India and eventually improving quality of Indian products and than competeing with western products after stealling western R&D.
With irony of such beliefs India could attack any state if no counter measures are taken immediately by the international community or mainly Asian states.

You are welcome to imagine a world without Pakistan and all the infantile imagination that you are displaying.

However, if nations could vanish, then the world would have been a different place. Fortunately, there are people who believe such ideas as paranoid and beyond rationale.

If the US, the most powerful nation in the world with the world economy totally controlled by them have not succeeded in what you attribute India is capable of, then it would surely your paranoia that prompts you to elevate India to such heights!

India has enough problems of her own, to be in the quest of acquiring some more and then sinking under the weight!

Yes, we all know this Indian anthem.
Ask any Indian he will tell you the story in exactly the same text book words.
I always wondered is it really a part of Indian primary school cirriculum?
It seems every single Indian is ignorant to the fact that all Indian defence developments are failure despite massive foreign collaboration and incorporating foreign made parts and when they learn opposite things on international forums, they simply refuse to accept the hard facts and keep discussing specifications of virtuall products or keep forcing 'indegionus' on Russian made missiles and Israeli made concept flying machine.

Are you aware of the content of Indian textbooks.

We do not wipe away history from our text books.

Do read "The Subtle Subversion - The State of Curricula and Textbooks
in Pakistan - Urdu, English, Social Studies and Civics Editors: A. H. Nayyar and Ahmad Salim"

It is a Pakistan government organised deposition.

Check the difference.

 

[Vinod2070]

I also felt that Batman's post was bordering on paranoia, which can happen when you go not by facts but by your imaginary fears and exaggerated sense of self-importance.

India neither desires nor is capable of all that is mentioned in the post.

 

[BATMAN]

On what do you base this wonderful statistic except for your fertility of imagination, inhibitions and maybe even fears.

Dude, don't you see I quoted from article.
Fear is the last thing an Indian can realise to a Pakistani, no matter how many WMD you point at us.
Infact any such attempts will give us the drive to stand fast against your threats.

Is that what you really believe?

Just look around and see what is happening in your castle of humanity.

Yes, we are under attack and I hope Allah will protect us from all the evils.
Any state in neighbour of India has similar problems! Have you ever wondered why???? I have no doubt Pakistan is on top of India's hit list.

Unlike you, I am not prone to fertile imagery and dramatic statements. Pakistan, as far as I see, is in a good or as bad state as any other nation in the world. It is only that of late the AQ and Taliban terrorists seem to have hijacked the law and order situation and are even challenging the Pakistani Army and Pakistani para military. These are the forces that must be addressed and wiped out. Once done, Pakistan would return to normalcy and the citizens given a break from this madness and elections held in a free and fair manner.

Unlike you, I don't conspire against neighbors or people of other religons in my own country in order to enforce my imperialism, where as you kill Muslims and Christians by sowrds or burn them alive and destroy there places under Military watch and yet hypocratically claim your self a saint or secular, what ever.

You are welcome to imagine a world without Pakistan and all the infantile imagination that you are displaying.

However, if nations could vanish, then the world would have been a different place. Fortunately, there are people who believe such ideas as paranoid and beyond rationale.

Who was obsesed with WMD on the first place??? Who is running around the world to get his hands on all the enriched uranium it can ??? I find it hard that Indian spending money for no good reason!!!!
According to the subject survey 100% hindus (74% Indians) support the idea to nuke Pakistan, what else you considered wiping out a nation????
You want me to keep my eyes closed like peigon??

If the US, the most powerful nation in the world with the world economy totally controlled by them have not succeeded in what you attribute India is capable of, then it would surely your paranoia that prompts you to elevate India to such heights!

Now you are imagining ??????

India has enough problems of her own, to be in the quest of acquiring some more and then sinking under the weight!

We are talking here more than billion vs. 160 million, sinking is not an issue for India. Problem is every hindu believes 'destroy Pakistan whether I live or die'
If you really want to change your self than simply stop talking nonsense.

Are you aware of the content of Indian textbooks.

I never said that I know, I said I wondered because all of you talk same lines even words like an anthem.

We do not wipe away history from our text books.

Oh, yes you do it, verymuch.
How come all your neighbours have opposite stories to tell!

Do read "The Subtle Subversion - The State of Curricula and Textbooks
in Pakistan - Urdu, English, Social Studies and Civics Editors: A. H. Nayyar and Ahmad Salim"

It is a Pakistan government organised deposition.

Check the difference.

I do not recognise what did you wrote above but I can assure you, I have never read in Pakistan text books that Pakistan have more or superior arms than India!! or we have developed JF-17 or Al-Khalid 100% idegenously!
We do belive that India is constantly conspiring to destroy Pakistan remember Rjiv Gandhi always mention this proudly.
Neither India is an issue during our elections?? Actually it is all opposite in Pakistan.
You see who is ignorant here!!

 

[KENT]

Dude, don't you see I quoted from article.
Fear is the last thing an Indian can realise to a Pakistani, no matter how many WMD you point at us.
Infact any such attempts will give us the drive to stand fast against your threats.


Yes, we are under attack and I hope Allah will protect us from all the evils.
Any state in neighbour of India has similar problems! Have you ever wondered why???? I have no doubt Pakistan is on top of India's hit list.


Unlike you, I don't conspire against neighbors or people of other religons in my own country in order to enforce my imperialism, where as you kill Muslims and Christians by sowrds or burn them alive and destroy there places under Military watch and yet hypocratically claim your self a saint or secular, what ever.


Who was obsesed with WMD on the first place??? Who is running around the world to get his hands on all the enriched uranium it can ??? I find it hard that Indian spending money for no good reason!!!!
According to the subject survey 100% hindus (74% Indians) support the idea to nuke Pakistan, what else you considered wiping out a nation????
You want me to keep my eyes closed like peigon??


Now you are imagining ??????


We are talking here more than billion vs. 160 million, sinking is not an issue for India. Problem is every hindu believes 'destroy Pakistan whether I live or die'
If you really want to change your self than simply stop talking nonsense.


I never said that I know, I said I wondered because all of you talk same lines even words like an anthem.


Oh, yes you do it, verymuch.
How come all your neighbours have opposite stories to tell!


I do not recognise what did you wrote above but I can assure you, I have never read in Pakistan text books that Pakistan have more or superior arms than India!! or we have developed JF-17 or Al-Khalid 100% idegenously!
We do belive that India is constantly conspiring to destroy Pakistan remember Rjiv Gandhi always mention this proudly.
Neither India is an issue during our elections?? Actually it is all opposite in Pakistan.
You see who is ignorant here!!

Outburst of tears from your eyes hah! Can't handle hatered with Indias and hence lots of uncommon and unsurprising bullshits. Anyway I try to understand your filling. Please don't get so annoyed, otherwise we Indian would get sunk in floods of yours tears. But don't lose hops, just keep it up.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Batman,

You must take hold of yourself rather than giving way to emotions and imagination.

Please also don't fish around for excuses for internal problems of yours. Look within. The problem that Pakistan is facing today of terrorists is a Taliban and AQ one. India is not involved in with the creation of the Taliban or AQ.

I would leave it to your good sense to tell us who created the Taliban and the AQ.

Frankenstein strikes again!