Pakistan mob burns man to death for 'blasphemy'

[Peaceful Civilian]

Very bad news.
Need to ban Blasphemy law.

 

[Surenas]

Pakistan must be the most zealotic country in the world. What a shame. No contribution to the world at all.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Pakistan must be the most zealotic country in the world. What a shame. No contribution to the world at all.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/iranian-defence/192258-iranian-pair-face-death-penalty-after-third-alcohol-offence.html

 

[Surenas]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/iranian-defence/192258-iranian-pair-face-death-penalty-after-third-alcohol-offence.html

You should know about the difference between government and society. Iran's government doesn't represent the people, while al that fanatic hate do come from the Pakistani society. Don't they have proper schools in Amman?

 

[W.11]

Pakistan mob burns man to death for 'blasphemy'

BBC News - Pakistan mob burns man to death for 'blasphemy'

please dont post wrong maps

You should know about the difference between government and society. Iran's government doesn't represent the people, while al that fanatic hate do come from the Pakistani society. Don't they have proper schools in Amman?

you were born in karachi pakistan, we people are very much hospitable people and welcome even persians and they can live happily

as for your rants go, i can only reply that fanatics are in every society, if iranians werent fanatics they hadnt elected fanatics as their leaders

and please dont flatter yuorself by saying that iranians dont support this fanatic government, you must be the biggest supporter of ahmedinijad and his policies..

pakistan has black sheeps too, you gotta understand the situation in pakistan its complete haos, when government fails, people take laws in their hands and become nasty and do nasty things, islam is being targetted by the global powers, so the fanatism is a direct reation to such oppression

 

[Surenas]

you were born in karachi pakistan, we people are very much hospitable people and welcome even persians and they can live happily

Pakistanis are indeed one of the most hospitable people in the world, but also very fanatic. It's this fanaticism that borders me.

as for your rants go, i can only reply that fanatics are in every society, if iranians werent fanatics they hadnt elected fanatics as their leaders

Iranians aren't fanatic. You can read every trip report from tourists who visited Iran, and Pakistan as well. The difference is as water and fire.

you must be the biggest supporter of ahmedinijad and his policies..

I'm not. Not even close.

 

[Hyperion]

Pakistanis are indeed one of the most hospitable people in the world, but also very fanatic. It's this fanaticism that borders me.



Iranians aren't fanatic. You can read every trip report from tourists who visited Iran, and Pakistan as well. The difference is as water and fire.



I'm not. Not even close.

Forum rules stop me from squatting your sorry *** to this forum's walls! *PoS*

 

[W.11]

Iranians aren't fanatic. You can read every trip report from tourists who visited Iran, and Pakistan as well. The difference is as water and fire.

you are just being ignorant..

fanatics cant be hospitable at the same time, fanatics are arrogant and annoying people, we arnt

secondly the most hospitable people in the world arnt fanatics, if we were, then we would have not allowed iranian shias in our land, and not had the largest shia population outside iran simple as that

iranians are fanatics, i have meet many iranian fanatics and both nationalist and racist at the same time many times

there are even many fanatic iranians in this forum, guess what!

 

[Karachiite]

Pakistan must be the most zealotic country in the world. What a shame. No contribution to the world at all.

Actually Pakistan isn't the only country in the world where "mob violence" happens. Our neighbors are infamous for mob violence as well. This happens in every third world country especially Muslim majority countries. Lack of education and religious extremism fuels this stuff. So to single out Pakistan is pretty retarded even coming from a person like yourself. But again you have your head stuck deep up your @ss so who am I kidding?

Edit:
Your from freakin Iran, you should be the last one to be even talking here. Btw your Bahai people are running away from tolerant Iran and seeking refuge in intolerant Pakistan.

 

[Surenas]

iranians are fanatics, i have meet many iranian fanatics and both nationalist and racist at the same time many times

Not. The temperament of the Iranian people is much softer than the temperament of Arabs or even Pakistani's. If you want to compare, Iran's temperament is much more like Turkey's. Wait, let me quote a tourist who visited both Iran and Pakistan.

''The difference between Pakistan/Afghanistan and Iran is that in Pakistan and Afghanistan the women are suppressed by their own society, while in Iran it is the government doing that.''

''The people in Iran are modern. In Pakistan and Afghanistan there is much misunderstanding if they ask you whether you're Muslim and you answer you're a atheist. A life without God is like gravity unthinkable. I said so often that I am a Christian. In Iran you can say that you're not religious because many people here are self faithless. Shiites are less orthodox than Sunnis.''

Welkom in fascistisch Iran. | Reisverslag uit Tabriz, Iran van Frank AH Mensink

''Iran is clean, modern and civilized compared to pakistan. You enter a completely different world.''

Modern moslim leven | Reisverslag uit Theran, Iran van John van der Pouw Kraan

 

[SHAMK9]

Pakistan is getting more conservative thn ever and seriously lacks tolerance i hope these fools get punished strictly

 

[Hyperion]

Not. The temperament of the Iranian people is much softer than the temperament of Arabs or even Pakistani's. If you want to compare, Iran's temperament is much more like Turkey's.

Are you F*****G kidding me? Comparing your culture and society to that of Turkey? You seriously are delusional!

We may have hundreds of problems in our country, which can all be solved over time. However, you seem to have an identity crisis going on, and sorry to say you need to start consulting a shrink, before it's too late!

 

[W.11]

Not. The temperament of the Iranian people is much softer than the temperament of Arabs or even Pakistani's. If you want to compare, Iran's temperament is much more like Turkey's. Wait, let me quote a tourist who visited both Iran and Pakistan.





Welkom in fascistisch Iran. | Reisverslag uit Tabriz, Iran van Frank AH Mensink



Modern moslim leven | Reisverslag uit Theran, Iran van John van der Pouw Kraan

so now you are taking new low levels you retard let me tell you how civilised is iran

http://www.********.com/view?i=838_1291852742

this is your extremist society, the police doesnt even bother to go and stop the brutal killing

negative opinions about iran is worse than pakistan

 

[Karachiite]

It's NOT the religion that teaches them to do such,,, Blame the driver NOT the car, if driver is driving car WRONG.

I bet these mobsters would go & do all sorts of "sinful" things that religion stops them from,,, So are they "religious"!!! NO.

Just like by changing their name to "Taliban",,, R.A.W patsies do NOT actually become Taliban. Similarly just coz someone claims to do sth in the name of religion does NOT mean that religion asked them to do so. It just means that they are misusing the religion, knowingly or unknowingly.

My Prophet was the one on whom a lady used to throw garbage regularly, & he smiled,,, & one day when she didn't, he got worried & went to see her. Found her ill, gave her water & took care of her. The Prophet who was stoned to point that his shoes filed with his blood & he prayed to God to guide them instead of asking retribution for them... The Prophet who asked NOT to cut even a fruit bearing tree even during a war...

There are ppl who call themselves "muslim", & claim to be staunch followers, but go to graves & pray to dead,,, Islam does NOT teach them that. We cannot blame islam just coz such ppl claim to be muslims... Islam is NOT defined what I do, rather by Quran & Sunnah of Prophet.

These are same kind of ppl who once build a mosque, but when Prophet came to know what they were actually doing, he demolished that mosque to stop activities of those who were claiming to be acting in the name of Islam.

I appreciate the essay but you have to admit that stuff like this does not help your religion's image. Why is it only Muslim fanatics are going crazy and being highly intolerant. I know there are fanatics from other religions as well but the overwhelming majority of them are infact Muslims.

Do read this in its entirety to know that lynchings aren't only a Pakistani phenomenon.

Intolerance, Religious Lynchings and the Future of Indonesia?????????????????????? :: JapanFocus

A lot about Indonesia also applies on Pakistan-

“We are hiding behind slogans like ‘A Tolerant Islamic State’, but if you go below the skin, we are not tolerant at all. To make things worse, Europeans and Americans are not critical of us. Why: because of our strategic and geopolitical position. For the West, Indonesia can serve as a buffer zone against the rise of China and India. We had proven, especially during the Suharto dictatorship, that we are prepared to ‘talk’ and ‘negotiate’ with the West. Furthermore, Indonesia is the country with the largest Muslim population in the world. So to portray Indonesia as a moderate Islamic nation is useful in challenging existing beliefs in the West about the inevitability of the ‘clash of civilizations’. This is all totally wrong and very much against the interest of Indonesian people. We are Asians – with very different ways of thinking and solving problems. By accepting definitions of ourselves from abroad we are selling our souls to the devil.”

It is true that the mainstream press and academia used plenty of self-restraint for decades with respect to Indonesian religious excesses connected to the genocides in East Timor and Papua, as well as the mass slaughter that accompanied Suharto’s US-sponsored coup of 1965/66 in which between 500.000 and 3 million people died (there has been no official investigation to provide authoritative figures to this day). Seven years ago I discussed the issue with the former President of Indonesia – Abdurrahman Wahid (popularly known as Gus Dur). At that time he was still the head of NU (Nahdlatul Ulama – the largest Muslim organization in the world) and he apologized on camera to the victims of 1965/66 because, as he said “I do not want Islam to go down in history as a bigoted religion.” (Documentary film: “Terlena – Breaking of a Nation”, 2004).



What he was referring to was participation of the religious cadres (mainly but not only NU) in mass murder of 1965/66. During that time, Indonesian Islam became an ally of Western interests in the region – destruction of Communism and all progressive parties, movements and individuals - therefore becoming untouchable. It was also promoted as ‘peaceful’ and ‘tolerant’. The next stage of cooperation came with Afghanistan – when numerous jihadi cadres from Indonesia were in the forefront of the fight against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

The mainstream media in the West had chosen to largely overlook major milestones and indicators that were warnings of increasing intolerance inside Indonesian society under pressure from the main religion of the land.


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The grim reality, however, is that Indonesia is losing the right to call itself a tolerant nation that promotes or protects diversity. Instead, due to failed policies, its government has allowed a real militant threat to grow within its borders.” A description of the events follows:

“Hard-line extremists are literally getting away with murder, as their vile attacks result in no punishment. At the root of the problem is Indonesia 's misused 1965 Blasphemy Law, which makes it unlawful ‘to, intentionally, in public, communicate, counsel, or solicit public support for an interpretation of a religion or a form of religious activity that is similar to the interpretations or activities of an Indonesian religion but deviates from the tenets of that religion.’"

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Relying on God was not what the founding father of Indonesia – Sukarno – had in mind as the way forward for the nation. A religious man himself, he strongly believed in socialism and ‘nation and character building’; he believed in secularism and in secular justice. It may be time to revisit old slogans from the independence era; ideas and pillars on which Indonesia was supposed to stand before the brutal interruption of its natural development in 1965. It is highly unlikely that the Indonesian archipelago will succeed in achieving peace, prosperity and justice under the leadership of those who served faithfully during the years of darkness and terror.

Ends



Just substitute Indonesia for Pakistan and it will be completely identical for us, and our transitions in to this quagmire.

Interesting to know it's only Muslim majority countries that show high levels of intolerance. I think these Muslim fundamentalists today are a lot like those intolerant Catholic priests during the Protestant Reformation.

 

[Surenas]

Are you F*****G kidding me? Comparing your people, culture and society to that of Turkey? You seriously are delusional!

We may have hundreds of problems in our country, which can all be solved over time. However, you seem to have an identity crisis going on, and sorry to say you need to start consulting a shrink, before it's too late!

I'm not kidding you. I even dare to speak out that more Iranians are liberal than Turks, but thats not the case. Even my Turkish fiends in Holland - who watched Iranian movies and some even visited Iran - are telling me that the temperament of Iranians is much like that of Turks. I quote again:

''Iranians are, if you look at temperament, closer to Turkey than to Arab countries (although there is also an Arab minority in Iran ). Iranians are more relaxed and less temperamental than Arabs (at least that's my impression). Etc. Music is also closer to Turkish than Arab culture.''