Pakistan Missile Technology

[araz]

Hey asaad, I have never came across any reference that said pakistani missiles have MIRV capability, can you please provide a link which mentions this.

Thanks in Advance.

Asad
I also am not aware of this. would you please provide a link.
Regards
Araz

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

well it was reported by Jang newspaper in 2002, so don't bother going thru their archives. i did that already, they only have articles for 2008 in their so-called archive. all the other years are gone.

however, it's been confirmed. don't expect any more information, this is Pakistan, no different from China. we are not going to show illustrations on how our MIRV'ed missiles work or in detail coverage.

check this out, it's been on this website for a while. MIRV is also one of the reasons why the range on shaheen II has been reduced to just 2000km.
http://www.defence.pk/pakistan-army.html

 

[nitesh]

well it was reported by Jang newspaper in 2002, so don't bother going thru their archives. i did that already, they only have articles for 2008 in their so-called archive. all the other years are gone.

however, it's been confirmed. don't expect any more information, this is Pakistan, no different from China. we are not going to show illustrations on how our MIRV'ed missiles work or in detail coverage.

check this out, it's been on this website for a while. MIRV is also one of the reasons why the range on shaheen II has been reduced to just 2000km.
http://www.defence.pk/pakistan-army.html

This is not the way of saying the things. There is no news but it is confirmed. There is no proof that it exists but confirmed. Please say those things which you can back up with facts, or dont comment.

 

[IceCold]

This is not the way of saying the things. There is no news but it is confirmed. There is no proof that it exists but confirmed. Please say those things which you can back up with facts, or dont comment.

Asad is right. I have too read it in Jang. Its an old news and jang does not have reference to its old news so don't expect any links. Rest is up to you, you wanna believe it or reject it.

 

[nitesh]

Asad is right. I have too read it in Jang. Its an old news and jang does not have reference to its old news so don't expect any links. Rest is up to you, you wanna believe it or reject it.

Hadn't you read what I said? I am not being offensive. I just said please say the things that you can backup with facts, or there is no point discussing it. And MIRV is such a good technological breakthrough that I can't digest any country will try to hide this.

 

[IceCold]

Hadn't you read what I said? I am not being offensive. I just said please say the things that you can backup with facts, or there is no point discussing it. And MIRV is such a good technological breakthrough that I can't digest any country will try to hide this.

What was there to read about, only you wanted links and i said there ant any. Its an old news. I was just conforming Asad's post because Araz sb was also saying he has not read it. Also if you feel you cant discuss anything without some sort of links, you are free to leave the conversation but don't impose your will on others. On a side note if you happen to read PA page on wikipedia, they too quoted jang news paper saying that pakistan got the capability to MIRV its Shaheen missile. I am not sure as of today because there are too many people to edit it, but it was there few months back.

 

[nitesh]

What was there to read about, only you wanted links and i said there ant any. Its an old news. I was just conforming Asad's post because Araz sb was also saying he has not read it. Also if you feel you cant discuss anything without some sort of links, you are free to leave the conversation but don't impose your will on others. On a side note if you happen to read PA page on wikipedia, they too quoted jang news paper saying that pakistan got the capability to MIRV its Shaheen missile. I am not sure as of today because there are too many people to edit it, but it was there few months back.

Again you got to the same point, in fact you are trying to impose your on others. If it is there prove it, or don't brag about it.

 

[IceCold]

Again you got to the same point, in fact you are trying to impose your on others. If it is there prove it, or don't brag about it.

Dude i am not showing off. This is the quality only indians possess. I am simply re-stating something that Asad was saying. I said i have read it too. Also Pakistan doesn't brag over its capabilities something which you mentioned back in your post about why would any country hide such an amazing achievement. Point is we are not like other and so we don't brag about what we can or cannot do. Take Babur for example, none of you guys or world knew about it until it was test fired. Your government was even criticize over it for not knowing before hand.

 

[nitesh]

Dude i am not showing off. This is the quality only indians possess. I am simply re-stating something that Asad was saying. I said i have read it too. Also Pakistan doesn't brag over its capabilities something which you mentioned back in your post about why would any country hide such an amazing achievement. Point is we are not like other and so we don't brag about what we can or cannot do. Take Babur for example, none of you guys or world knew about it until it was test fired. Your government was even criticize over it for not knowing before hand.

Now where does INDIANNESS comes in to the picture. Why can't you accept that there is no proof that this capability exist. And when you can't provide a proof of whatever you are saying. Don't try to impose over others. Now you mentioned babur, so it is tested and it is known to world that it exists. There are enough references that can be found. I completely agree its quite a good achievement. So if you are not like others could have kept it under wraps for infinity. My point is very simple, if you are saying that some technology capability exists, provide with concrete proof (not necessarily some government website, but at-least any newspaper cutting) or else don't try to impose over others that it is there.

 

[IceCold]

Now where does INDIANNESS comes in to the picture. Why can't you accept that there is no proof that this capability exist. And when you can't provide a proof of whatever you are saying. Don't try to impose over others. Now you mentioned babur, so it is tested and it is known to world that it exists. There are enough references that can be found. I completely agree its quite a good achievement. So if you are not like others could have kept it under wraps for infinity. My point is very simple, if you are saying that some technology capability exists, provide with concrete proof (not necessarily some government website, but at-least any newspaper cutting) or else don't try to impose over others that it is there.

Ok lets define proofs. What are they, simply copy pasting materials from what bharat-rakhsak, the hindu. com, daily times, is that proof for you. Grow up. I already stated that its an old news from jang and jang done keep old articles in its archive. What part of this can you not understand. I gave you the example of Babur for a simple fact that no one knew until the day it was fired. No news paper no channel no nothing. Same can be the case with MIRV. You would'nt know unless we declare it and don't expect any articles over it. Reason is Pakistan does not brag over its capabilities unless and until it finds it necessary specially with the media. By the way i am not imposing my will over anything. As i said before don't expect anything in the form of an article, you don't wanna believe it fine with us but those who do wanna, don't tell them not too after all we know our country better and the way it do things.

On a side note thanks for decreasing my reputation.

 

[nitesh]

Ok lets define proofs. What are they, simply copy pasting materials from what bharat-rakhsak, the hindu. com, daily times, is that proof for you. Grow up. I already stated that its an old news from jang and jang done keep old articles in its archive. What part of this can you not understand. I gave you the example of Babur for a simple fact that no one knew until the day it was fired. No news paper no channel no nothing. Same can be the case with MIRV. You would'nt know unless we declare it and don't expect any articles over it. Reason is Pakistan does not brag over its capabilities unless and until it finds it necessary specially with the media. By the way i am not imposing my will over anything. As i said before don't expect anything in the form of an article, you don't wanna believe it fine with us but those who do wanna, don't tell them not too after all we know our country better and the way it do things.

On a side note thanks for decreasing my reputation.

Ok then what is definition of proof for you? keep saying that it exists and saying others just accept it or go to hell. I am not trying to undermine the achievements of pakistani scientists. Whatever they have achieved is fantastic.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Gentlemen,

We have nothing but that old News item to indicate anything about MIRV capabilities.

While I understand that the Pakistani military establishment does not like to publicize any of its programs, I think the objections that there is nothing concrete to base the development of the MIRV capability on is valid.

Lets move on please.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

Agnostic, my apologies for dragging this on a bit, but I can't hold back. this is basically picking a bone with me.

nitesh said, "Why can't you accept that there is no proof that this capability exist."

woah! wait a minute, hold on? what?

what do you mean, I can't accept that this doesn't exist? what is the military supposed to do? publish illustrations on bharat rakshak? do you know what the ISPR is? did you know they banned a movie based on cricket and match fixing because it gave a negative view on the ISI?

please go to this webpage, http://www.defence.pk/pakistan-army.html. scroll down to the missile section and please read the bottom lines. if it's good for the knowledgeable mods, it's good for you. trust me, there's no need to debate it further.

pakistan only needs to state once, think of this as a comment to a single reporter, "we have MIRV". pakistan has been working on missile technology for a while now, this is a just one of the results. believe me when I say that we have some young talented people working in NESCOM, thousands of them. learn to accept that pakistan has this capability, it's myopic for people not to.

believe me when I say this, Pakistan will have all the necessary requirements to start projecting itself as a world power very soon. some of which we have already, but we can't reveal that due to the pressures of 9/11. if you do enough searching, pakistani news sources claimed pakistan was going to test a tipu sultan missile with a range of 5000km, and this is before 9/11. what happened post 9/11? tipu sultan didn't even exist anymore, not a trace of it was left except in our memories.

that should be enough, no questions asked. it's up to you whether you want to believe it or not. but if you want to stick your head in the sand, and deny that it's there just like some coconut head was denying pakistan's nuclear capability... be my guest!

proof is reported through the media just like I gave the following source. pakistan does not go into detail on anything like DRDO does. as a matter of fact, go to the NESCOM website... oh wait, there's nothing there!

we won't have vivid and graphic details of our weapons, so forget about it. accept the fact that pakistan has MIRV, it's actually old news. pakistan is well-advanced in missile technology, whether we borrowed or built it ourselves, the end result is the same. we've been accelerating our program for a almost two decades. actually according to some insider sources, our SLV launch is "near the horizon." however, we are facing some "international pressure" coming from you know who to delay our project.

now as for babur, tell since when did pakistan start developing cruise missiles? can you provide me some link to some organization or school where they have courses or training for weaponology in pakistan? good luck on finding anything. the point is, even we, the public through leakages could not find out.

err, anyways, i did some digging for this news report, I found this in someone's post on another defense forum.


PAKISTAN REPORTEDLY DEVELOPS CAPABILITY FOR MULTI-WARHEAD MISSILES.

Text of report by Mohammad Saleh Zaafir entitled: "First test of new Hatf missile series to be conducted this morning", published by Pakistani newspaper Jang on 25 May

Pakistan is going to test the first of the country's new series of short and intermediate-range Hatf missiles this Saturday [25 May] morning. The missile will be fired from the "Tilla Range". This scribe has learned through highly credible sources that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has been alerted extraordinarily on the duration of these missile tests, that will last for four days.

The missiles to be test-fired during this period are capable of carrying nuclear warheads to their targets. During the tests, all the missiles will carry a payload equivalent to the weight of nuclear warheads. The United States was informed of these missile tests early this month.

The sources said that the services of telecommunication and space satellites have also been acquired in order to compile the results and technical data obtained from all these tests. For the first time, Pakistan will test-fire missiles on sea targets, aside from land targets.

Pakistani scientists and engineers have already reached the places where the tests will be conducted, and their teams have finalized all the arrangements. Hotlines have also been set up to keep President Gen Pervez Musharraf informed about the tests. It is expected that Gen Musharraf will himself make an announcement regarding the missile tests.

The president's special adviser, Dr Ashfaq Ahmad Khan, told the daily Jang late Friday night that all the tests will be conducted during daytime and that details will be issued upon completion of each test. He expressed confidence that these tests will, by the grace of God the Almighty, be 100 per cent successful.

It was also learned that Pakistan has already started producing these missiles which were developed through indigenous technical capabilities so that they are available in required quantity. Experts say that the missiles that will be test-fired starting on Saturday have already been successfully tested in laboratories.

This scribe also learned that Pakistan has acquired technical capability in producing "Multi Independent Re-entry Vehicle" (MIRV) missile, which is a splendid achievement by Pakistani scientists in this field.

At present, the United States is the only country in the world that possesses trustworthy MIRV missile system.

The MIRV missile is capable of dropping more than one bomb on its targets. The Pakistani MIRV missile is capable of dropping three to seven bombs in different targets in an area of 80,000 sq. km.

Source: Jang, Rawalpindi, in Urdu 25 May 02 pp 1, 7.

 

[nitesh]

Here you go, you have posted a really long post and come up with copying something without a link. Now the point is again you said wither believe it or go to hell. My point is what AM has said provide a link and close the chapter.
This is what pakistan army link says

t has been recently reported by the Pakistani Press namely Jang that Pakistan has the ability to MIRV its missiles. This has been seen as possibly the greatest achievement to date. It has also been reported that Pakistan would likely MIRV its Shaheen II missile.

It says that it is "likely to have the capability" so there is my question mark. No offense but till now nothing confirmed.
Cheers

 

[Neo]

Pakistan has a history of displaying her new toys at the right time and right place.

The world, even RAW or CIA didn't even know about the existence of Babur till it was test fired the day after we struck the missile test treaty with India. Ra'ad came out of nowhere in same fashion and that was only the tip of the iceberg...there's a lot more and only time will tell what we have achieved.

We may have a much smaller GDP hence a smaller industrial base or infrastructure, we still managed to maintain $30+ billion nuclear programme...yes the expenditure for our nuclear programme from 1977-98 is estimated to be between 25-30 billion dollar!!!
Many small weapons or even the larger UAV's we've developped use ready made spares that come off the shelves from open markets, others are developped locally.

Pakistan's missile programme is repeatedly described by Pentagon to be very advanced and sometimes ahead of other developping countries, so you may not have seen tested MIRV capability yet but its definitely there. We'll show it when the time is ripe.