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[Xeric]

Doesn't the Siachen glacier feed the Nubra and Shyok rivers, sizable tributaries of the Indus river?

Want to build a dam there?

 

[VCheng]

Want to make a dam there?

That would be a violation of the IWT.

 

[Xeric]

That would be a violation of the IWT.

Wrong answer.

Let's focus on what Nubra and Shyok has to do with the current discussion?

 

[VCheng]

Wrong answer.

Let's focus on what Nubra and Shyok has to do with the current discussion?

Don't those tributaries of the Indus contribute to the value of the Siachen glacier?

 

[Xeric]

Don't those tributaries of the Indus contribute to the value of the Siachen glacier?

Really?

Please educate us how?
Have you seen the (alignment) of Indus (Valley) in the North/Kashmir?

 

[VCheng]

Really?

Please educate us how?

Not for me to educate you Sir, since you seem to be quite sure that holding on to Siachen is a worthless endeavor for India at great cost. Obviously, it's value might be perceived differently than what you consider here. After all, Pakistan has acted at great cost to itself to counter India's advances in the region based on some perceived value if the territory itself is not valuable.

 

[hkdas]

Even if you could take heavy artillery to those heights normal ballistics don't work so these post are nothing but observation posts which are difficult to man and have a very high casualty rates because of the altitude. PA never tried to capture or recapture Siachin. The idea was to restrict IA access to the KKH which they effectively did. Thanks to your stupidity and arrogance you are now stuck with getting your @$$es frozen at 22,000 feet. Nothing to be proud of. Sheer stupidity.

yes, the ballistics are different from that in lower altitudes. but that don't mean the artillery is ineffective.
pakistan army tried to capture Siachin multiple times, but they failed all the time. the high casualty due to bad weather was in 80s and 90s. now the living conditions are very much better. DRDO made special shelters, clothing etc for soldiers in higher altitude.

 

[Xeric]

Not for me to educate you Sir, since you seem to be quite sure that holding on to Siachen is a worthless endeavor for India at great cost. Obviously, it's value might be perceived differently than what you consider here. After all, Pakistan has acted at great cost to itself to counter India's advances in the region based on some perceived value if the territory itself is not valuable.

Typical Syed (Duck) Ali Haider.

i am quite clear what value holding 'more snow' (NOT the entire glaciated region) means to India. Focus and try to understand that the discussion here is regarding India being on a 'higher altitude' than us and the advantages thereof.

You brought in the Nubra and Shyok and then threw in some Indus without having ANY understanding as to what connection these have with each other vis-a-vis the precise location of the glaciated portion that India holds and the otherwise greater Kashmir area that is under Indian occupation from where the Indus River flows/originates.

Going by your understanding of glaciers and their linkage with rivers/watersheds, if one holds the precise (Siachen) glacier can control every river entering both Pakistan and India!!

Just so that you dont feel bad, i'll give you some food for thought. Instead of focusing on Nubra/Shyok (probably the only two names that you are familiar with in Siachen), try to look for Ganoks and may be some sense can push itself into you.

 

[Hurter]

Typical Syed (Duck) Ali Haider.

i am quite clear what value holding 'more snow' (NOT the entire glaciated region) means to India. Focus and try to understand that the discussion here is regarding India being on a 'higher altitude' than us.

You brought in the Nubra and Shyok and then threw in some Indus without having ANY understanding as to what connection these have with each other vis-a-vis the precise location of the glaciated portion that India holds and the otherwise greater Kashmir area that is under Indian occupation from where the Indus River flows/originates.

Going by your understanding of glaciers and their linkage with rivers/watersheds, if one holds the precise (Siachen) glacier can control every river entering both Pakistan and India!!

Just so that you dont feel bad, i'll give you some food for thought. Instead of focusing on Nubra/Shyok (probably the only two names that you are familiar with in Siachen), try to look for Ganoks and may be some sense can push itself into you.

That's not his real name.

 

[hkdas]

Indians are mota dimagh. Especially @hkdas who is mixing benefits of a mountainous/semi-mountainous terrain with that of a glaciated terrain.

For ease, readers should consider this; In the former case, if let's say, we occupy Tiger Hill, we are able to dominate a strategic highway, but in case of latter, if Indians occupy a higher post, they dominate, well, a comparatively better view, at the cost of higher casualty rate due to harsher weather, higher cost of living/sustenance and more difficulty in holding the post.

Siachen is not Kashmir, where by holding 'more' land the Indians can dominate/control our rivers or for that matter divert water/build illegal dams etc. Nor it is Punjab where by holding a higher ground one can influence the outcome of a battle. Instead, as the fight at Siachen is mostly static, there is virtually no benefit for being on the top, especially when we are holding posts just adjacent to the Indians (at times only a few meters away) to nullify any advantage whatsoever, except that the Indian can thump their chest and fool their jingoistic lot who lack the comprehension to differentiate between mountainous and glaciated zones, by (constantly) telling them, "hey look, we are sitting at a 'higher altitude' at Siachen!" At best, they can make another Bollywood movie and 'belittle' us Pakistanis for the consumption of their own audience.

By holding most of the Glacier, the 'advantage' Indians get are: almost total dependence on air-lifts to maintain their troops, more casualty rate, and thrice the amount of expenditure. Now, by holding "more snow" if the Indians could interdict, lets say our access to China, then may be i could have congratulated them, but till that happens, like i said earlier, the Indians should make the most from the access this 'higher altitude' is giving them to the gold-mines and uranium deposits at Siachen Glacier.

lol... a stupid reply from PDF TTA!!
Mr. TTA if there is no advantage, then why did pakistan army attempted to capture siachen glacier multiple times?? the kargil war was for capturing siachen glacier. if that icy mountain don't have the advantage then why did indian and paistan army deployed 1000s of soldiers in that area??. being a TTA you should think before posting your stupid statement.

 

[VCheng]

Typical Syed (Duck) Ali Haider.

i am quite clear what value holding 'more snow' (NOT the entire glaciated region) means to India. Focus and try to understand that the discussion here is regarding India being on a 'higher altitude' than us and the advantages thereof.

You brought in the Nubra and Shyok and then threw in some Indus without having ANY understanding as to what connection these have with each other vis-a-vis the precise location of the glaciated portion that India holds and the otherwise greater Kashmir area that is under Indian occupation from where the Indus River flows/originates.

Going by your understanding of glaciers and their linkage with rivers/watersheds, if one holds the precise (Siachen) glacier can control every river entering both Pakistan and India!!

Just so that you dont feel bad, i'll give you some food for thought. Instead of focusing on Nubra/Shyok (probably the only two names that you are familiar with in Siachen), try to look for Ganoks and may be some sense can push itself into you.

It is quite clear that the situation in the entire region is a stalemate, regardless of who is holding the higher ground, and regardless of the perceived value of the territory for each side.

Ganoks is a smaller stream than either Nubra or Shyok, but you make a good point that the terrain makes it quite difficult to control the rivers in the region.

 

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[Xeric]

lol... a stupid reply from PDF TTA!!
Mr. TTA if there is no advantage, then why did pakistan army attempted to capture siachen glacier multiple times?? the kargil war was for capturing siachen glacier. if that icy mountain don't have the advantage then why did indian and paistan army deployed 1000s of soldiers in that area??. being a TTA you should think before posting your stupid statement.

Yaar, like i said twice earlier, we wish India best wishes to enjoy the riches and produces of 'higher ground' in Siachen. i am sure the gold, copper, rhodium, crude oil, uranium, "antimatter", secrets to space-exploration, info on who assassinated Kennedy, direct and shortest route to Mars and knowldege on Aids cure that is available to India as it holds "higher ground" at Siachen had played an important, significant and crucial role in making India a regional power and soon a super power. i am sure these riches will be mighty helpful in getting India a permanent seat in the UNSC. i am also sure that the next movie India is going to make to satisfy its jingoism based on the storyline: "Siachen - 1000 Feet Higher" will put Chinese investment of $46 B to shame. Godspeed!

 

[VCheng]

Yaar, like i said twice earlier, we wish India best wishes to enjoy the riches and produces of 'higher ground' in Siachen. i am sure the gold, copper, rhodium, crude oil, uranium, "antimatter", secrets to space-exploration, info on who assassinated Kennedy, direct and shortest route to Mars and knowldege on Aids cure that is available to India as it holds "higher ground" at Siachen had played an important, significant and crucial role in making India a regional power and soon a super power. i am sure these riches will be mighty helpful in getting India a permanent seat in the UNSC. i am also sure that the next movie India is going to make to satisfy its jingoism based on the storyline: "Siachen - 1000 Feet Higher" will put Chinese investment of $46 B to shame. Godspeed!

Well, that certainly cleared it all up!

 

[Side-Winder]

Indians are mota dimagh. Especially @hkdas who is mixing benefits of a mountainous/semi-mountainous terrain with that of a glaciated terrain.

For ease, readers should consider this; In the former case, if let's say, we occupy Tiger Hill, we are able to dominate a strategic highway, but in case of latter, if Indians occupy a higher post, they dominate, well, a comparatively better view, at the cost of higher casualty rate due to harsher weather, higher cost of living/sustenance and more difficulty in holding the post.

Siachen is not Kashmir, where by holding 'more' land the Indians can dominate/control our rivers or for that matter divert water/build illegal dams etc. Nor it is Punjab where by holding a higher ground one can influence the outcome of a battle. Instead, as the fight at Siachen is mostly static, there is virtually no benefit for being on the top, especially when we are holding posts just adjacent to the Indians (at times only a few meters away) to nullify any advantage whatsoever, except that the Indian can thump their chest and fool their jingoistic lot who lack the comprehension to differentiate between mountainous and glaciated zones, by (constantly) telling them, "hey look, we are sitting at a 'higher altitude' at Siachen!" At best, they can make another Bollywood movie and 'belittle' us Pakistanis for the consumption of their own audience.

By holding most of the Glacier, the 'advantage' Indians get are: almost total dependence on air-lifts to maintain their troops, more casualty rate, and thrice the amount of expenditure. Now, by holding "more snow" if the Indians could interdict, lets say our access to China, then may be i could have congratulated them, but till that happens, like i said earlier, the Indians should make the most from the access this 'higher altitude' is giving them to the gold-mines and uranium deposits at Siachen Glacier.

Spot on! Here you go

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