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[Inception-06]

Thts army patrolling sensitive areas of Karachi not NWA.. Apart from tht cage armour has also been introduced by HIT years ago..

Cage armour was only presented but not introduced ! Apart from this, sandbags are a cheap and fast solution !

 

[dexter]

Pakistan Army heading to North Waziristan to execute operation "Zarb e Azb"...

 

[blain2]

Major General Sanaullah Khan Niazi Shaheed..

Its Maj Gen Asim Bajwa. The current DG ISPR.

 

[Inception-06]

Its Maj Gen Asim Bajwa. The current DG ISPR.

exactly !

 

[FunkyGen]

Its Maj Gen Asim Bajwa. The current DG ISPR.

O sada jeenda bnda maroon aein

 

[VelocuR]

I am confused whether M-113 or Al-Talha APC which was developed by our own HIT. Which one? Why our Army use this more than tanks or other inventories?

 

[Inception-06]

I am confused whether M-113 or Al-Talha APC which was developed by our own HIT. Which one? Why our Army use this more than tanks or other inventories?

Al-Thala was produced by HIT (you can see it in this picture here,) and is in service with the Elite APC-Regiments along with T-80 UD and Alkhalid Tanks.

M-113 the original APC is in service with all armoured mechanized formations in Pakistan(all are M-113 in the pictures) , and its logical that we use first the older vehicles for such operations in Pakistan, like we did with Al-Zarrar and Type-59IIM and Type-69IIM Tanks in FATA and SWAT operations, to spare or hold the new vehicles and products for the future operations or defence against India.

But to be honest, all Pakistan M-113 can be destroyed by RPG-7, it was proved in vietnam war, from the viewpoint of the enemy soldier running around the battlefield with a rocket propelled grenade (RPG), the M-113 vehicles present large, inviting targets at close range. Its only weapon is 12.7mm AA Gun which is nothing compared to the Indian BMP-2.

Compared to the indian BMP which is equiped with a armoured turret that houses a 7.62mm Gun, Anti-Tank Rocket and a 30mm gun, now compare this with the Althala APC.


Althala APC

Indian BMP

APC from D Troop, 17th Cav hit by RPG in Ho Nai Village.

Tet Offensive, 1968


That is the upgrade which we need and not this Althala crap shit from HIT.

 

[Zarvan]

I am confused whether M-113 or Al-Talha APC which was developed by our own HIT. Which one? Why our Army use this more than tanks or other inventories?

Sir because they are Armored Personal Carriers Sir not Tanks they have not the same use which Tanks and @Ulla we are producing same quality products like Turkey

 

[blain2]

Lots of vehicles can be damaged with RPG-7 and variants. However the idea is not to make the M-113 too up armoured. It needs to retain its mobility to quickly deploy troops while protecting them from small arms fire and then redeploy. Unless stationary, any moving vehicle is not an easy target for the RPG-7.

To Raptor's query above, both M-113 and APC Saad (Talha?) were/are manufactured by HIT. The M-113s were built from SKDs supplied by the Americans and later more surplus types were added from other countries. The Saad variant is essentially a local modification of the design over the 60s era M-113 with updated communications but more powerful power plant and similar levels of protection.

One additional, yet minor, point. The APCs are "Armored Personnel Carriers" and not "Personal" carriers. Two very different things.

 

[Inception-06]

Sir because they are Armored Personal Carriers Sir not Tanks they have not the same use which Tanks and @Ulla we are producing same quality products like Turkey

APC should be also capable to protect the crew from 12.7mm Bullets and give them enough firepower....thats not the case by Althala APC. I did not write about quality but armour and weapons of the APC !

 

[dexter]

Army choppers during Zarb-Azb

 

[Rajput_Pakistani]

Al-Thala was produced by HIT (you can see it in this picture here,) and is in service with the Elite APC-Regiments along with T-80 UD and Alkhalid Tanks.
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M-113 the original APC is in service with all armoured mechanized formations in Pakistan(all are M-113 in the pictures) , and its logical that we use first the older vehicles for such operations in Pakistan, like we did with Al-Zarrar and Type-59IIM and Type-69IIM Tanks in FATA and SWAT operations, to spare or hold the new vehicles and products for the future operations or defence against India.

But to be honest, all Pakistan M-113 can be destroyed by RPG-7, it was proved in vietnam war, from the viewpoint of the enemy soldier running around the battlefield with a rocket propelled grenade (RPG), the M-113 vehicles present large, inviting targets at close range. Its only weapon is 12.7mm AA Gun which is nothing compared to the Indian BMP-2.

Compared to the indian BMP which is equiped with a armoured turret that houses a 7.62mm Gun, Anti-Tank Rocket and a 30mm gun, now compare this with the Althala APC.


Althala APC
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Indian BMP
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APC from D Troop, 17th Cav hit by RPG in Ho Nai Village.

Tet Offensive, 1968


That is the upgrade which we need and not this Althala crap shit from HIT.
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Dear Ulla
you are mixing up "IFV" and "APC"

Both are for different roles. M113 is a proven design to drop soldiers as close to the target as possible. Provide fire support.
Modified M113 chassis of PA also carry Baktar Shikan.
As far as RPG-7 is concerned. It can destroy any IFV or APC.
Hizbullah in last Lebonan war even destroyed dozens of Israeli Markava with RPGs, even though Merkava is the most protected tank in the world.

You have mentioned BMP-2 in your post, it is armed with 30mm cannon, range 1500m. Rate of fire pretty slow. On comparison in normal configuration M113 carries 12.7mm AA. On ground role and the rate of fire it is lethal.

 

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