Pakistan Military Future as a Fighting Force?

[xyx007]

One thing for sure , Pakistani General are not Mujahedeen. They are just materialistic and power gainer.

 

[Darth Vader]

Do people really believe there is no military involvement/pressure in Usa/UK politics? That their establishment doesn't get involved in politics? That real genuine democracy exists We? We all know they do it and in a such a way that it doesn't come out in the media so yes military will be involved in Pakistan politics.

in states, it's not the military,
it's the Private Military INC, Big Pharma, and other Corps that decide.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Do people really believe there is no military involvement/pressure in Usa/UK politics? That their establishment doesn't get involved in politics? That real genuine democracy exists We? We all know they do it and in a such a way that it doesn't come out in the media so yes military will be involved in Pakistan politics.

they do it in a subtle way and dont appoint themselves in civilian institutions.

Plus, do they manipulate elections? maybe
do they overthrow government frequently just because they feel like it? absolutely not

 

[ARMalik]

Future of Pakistan Armed Forces = Real Estate Agents selling everything.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

It's not just the people at the top, you have a fundamentally corrupt political and legal system. Just think about this... If these guys don't like something, they can write into the law whatever they want. You have to ask, why do we allow such a thing? Why don't we, as a society, follow a simpler concept of, "if you break our norms/laws, we'll remove you on the spot."

Just contrast our entire political, legal, etc, system to how the Sahaba (RA) dealt with Umar ibn al-Khattab (RA) when he was Caliph:

“One day Umar Stood up to deliver a sermon; in it, he said, ‘O people, whoever among you sees any crookedness in me in my character, my deals, my action, then let him straighten out that crookedness.’ A man from the audience called out, "by Allaah, were we to see any crookedness in you, we would have straightened it out with out swords.’ Umar then said, All praise is for Allaah, who has placed in this nation someone who will straighten the crookedness of Umar with his sword.’”

Akhbaar Umar (pg 231,232) and Ar-Riyaadh an Nadirah.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Lets hear it from PTIANs. 3 2 1 go !

We should hear it from the people who got killed by Indian Army near the LoC!

Do people really believe there is no military involvement/pressure in Usa/UK politics? That their establishment doesn't get involved in politics? That real genuine democracy exists We? We all know they do it and in a such a way that it doesn't come out in the media so yes military will be involved in Pakistan politics.

There’s never been a military coup in US history.

 

[imadul]

Symmetrically, not that much of a threat because of nukes. Asymmetrically though many threats. The poor country has suffered from mismanagement, political turmoil, civil war, war, terrorism, corruption, and economic fall.

This mess is really tough job to fix. But in terms of defence we're ok.

Nukes are just political statement...at a bigger scale, and yes a deterrence to give you international reach politically and militarily.
But after balakot, India has called out Pakistan nuclear bluff too, which Pak had been successfully using since 80's.
Army is definitely unprofessional, incompetent, and corrupt.
These things affect everything, nothing is immune, not even SPD.
We are under increased threats in the backdrop of gaza war. GHQ is a controlled entity.
I believe God more than ever, proves God is running Pakistan.

 

[Signalian]

@Falgrine

I was talking about this paper.

 

[Signalian]

With a barrage of the stories of corruption and indulgence in politics, how nation can be assured that Pakistan defence is safe?

1. Bajwa 12 PKR billion plots, houses, plaza.
2. Air chief cronyism and political maneuvering.
3. Armed forces commercial interests.
4. ISI running govt apparatus.
5. Army ruling Pakistan from behind.
6. It is no more Army interference, it is Army literally and categorically ruling Pakistan overtly or covertly.
7. Deposing PMIK using PDM as front and getting USA onboatd.

Result:

1. Enormous increase in terrorist activities.
2. Minawali air base attack and loss of many assets.
3. Several high value attacks and breaches on army installations incld 2009 GHQ attack, Kamra, Mehran attacks.
4. Obviously biggest attack was on JINNAH HOUSE on May 7th 2023.
5. Tension with afghan taliban. Plz note, for over 40 years taliban+muj were Pakistan strategic assets per military establishment.
6. Army lost all respect except few die hard supporters.

Army is no more a professional organization that can be trusted to defend Pakistan. Flawed internal accountability, culture of extensions, cronyism, wastage in contracts and procurements, and if rot is not acknowledged and it won't be, no one can stop army becoming worse than Pakistan police.

Latest is WSK vlog with Ayesha Siddiqa.

Paper allegations seem to be written or info provided by someone who knows CAS personally and has known ins and outs of CAS's career but the analysis by Ayesha is complete crap similar to a complaining Pakistani aunty who doesnt get her dress stitched on time by tailor.

It's not just the people at the top, you have a fundamentally corrupt political and legal system. Just think about this... If these guys don't like something, they can write into the law whatever they want. You have to ask, why do we allow such a thing? Why don't we, as a society, follow a simpler concept of, "if you break our norms/laws, we'll remove you on the spot."

COAS or CAS will be different persons with different personalities, nature, career, trainings, experience, history etc. If the current one has various short comings, the next one might not. Its the extension which is an issue.

One thing for sure , Pakistani General are not Mujahedeen. They are just materialistic and power gainer.View attachment 1030711

Hamas are dumb asses who got 12000 or so Palestinians killed. Was it worth it ?

Lets hear it from PTIANs. 3 2 1 go !

IK started the trend of extension (without martial law). Pray current COAS and CAS don't go for extensions.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

COAS or CAS will be different persons with different personalities, nature, career, trainings, experience, history etc. If the current one has various short comings, the next one might not. Its the extension which is an issue.

Sure, but extensions are an institutional mechanism that can be adjusted based on the whims of the ones in charge. Where's the ideological mechanism to stop potential abuse? For example, let's say there was no mechanism of extension anywhere; who stops it from ever becoming a thing? Let's say someone gains a high level of legislative control and influence over the legal system, they can now legally write in a law that lets them extend themself until the end of their lifespan. Who stops this? How?

 

[Falgrine]

@Falgrine

I was talking about this paper.

Sir, just want to add that the country's honor and dignity is supreme and it requires courage and sacrifice to uphold it.

May be we should learn a thing or two from the Zionist military here as to how they come up with innovative solutions to solve seemingly unsolvable problems and go way beyond the limits to strike fear into their enemies hearts.

At the end, its dog eats dog world and we have unfortunately become the lesser dog in the fight against our foes, one of which has us by our balls.

 

[delta2]

lets blame everything and everyone else but ourselves for our problems

Yes exactly. You are so very special because you have no enemies at all that wish you any harm even when your God has told you who they really are and what they want from you.

It is most definitely some cart pushers and shopkeepers in Lahore that ensure the crooks always go free and get to rule freely in Pakistan.

Do people really believe there is no military involvement/pressure in Usa/UK politics? That their establishment doesn't get involved in politics? That real genuine democracy exists We? We all know they do it and in a such a way that it doesn't come out in the media so yes military will be involved in Pakistan politics.

Everyone likes thinks there is no Military Indusrial Complex that has its own interesrs and way of looking at things.

 

[imadul]

provided by someone who knows CAS personally and has known ins and outs of CAS's career but the analysis by Ayesha is complete crap similar to a complaining Pakistani aunty who doesnt get her dress stitched on time by tailor.

Military is rogue and they have the audacity to talk honesty, Self accountability and best professional institution.
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Army is the only evil institution in Pakistan which has destroyed politics, law, constitution, equality between citizens, it has now become a Brahman class to pour molten copper in the eyes and ears of shudra Pakistanis.
To an extent junior officers, and nco generally not like elitist army culture.

IK started the trend of extension (without martial law). Pray current COAS and CAS don't go for extensions.

Asif zardari extended Mr. Clean Kayani in 2010, 8 yrs before IK did the same criminal act to grease army ego.

 

[delta2]

We should hear it from the people who got killed by Indian Army near the LoC!



There’s never been a military coup in US history.

No, coups are a waste of time. They just outright kill the president or anyone else that crosses their line.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Yes exactly. You are so very special because you have no enemies at all that wish you any harm even when your God has told you who they really are and what they want from you.

It is most definitely some cart pushers and shopkeepers in Lahore that ensure the crooks always go free and get to rule freely in Pakistan.

damn man, tone down the "foreign hand" rhetoric. The Fauj often used it, and still does now. Currently it simply isn't working. The external enemy doesn't need to do squat, when our internal "Establishment" is enough.