Pakistan may study other fighter options as US asks Pakistan to make full payment for F-16 purchase

[weqi]

If only having strong lobby in US were a bad thing, Israel wouldn't have been a nation today.

Ok lets analyze cost vs benefits of lobbying.

Buying these 8 F-16 costs $700 million.

Lobbying against a $700 million deal, costs a couple of million dollars to various senators in key positions.

If Pakistan successfully buys these 8 F-16s , India will have to procure 8 equivalent or better fighters.
8 Rafales cost $ 1.9 Billion.

So if India prevents PAF from buying these aircrafts, that is $1.9 Billion saved by spending just couple of million.

However if Pakistan still agrees to pay the full price for these aircrafts, then India has forced Pakistan to spend an extra $430 million for same 8 F-16s by investing just a couple of million against it.

Not a bad deal , either ways.

you ditched $430 m at cost of $1.9 B this is wrong combination of CVP (cost volume profit analysis)

 

[Daghalodi]

I personally think Pakistan should use this money to upgrade jf 17. Pakistan should start working more on a plane that has a Pakistani name attached to it

 

[!eon]

oh their love affair with this bird ...
They have to buy ayf sola, even from some scrap yard.

 

[Photon]

Looks good on paper but far from any reality and non practical.
The Rafale for example is a four year old story extending over a decade....the 8 F-16 have ben in the headlines for about six months. You have already shot your self in the foot by reducing the order to a one third and doubling the costs.
PAF is working to it's own plan and doctrine and not according to what India does, we hope you keep spending millions in your futile efforts and then your defence minister issues a broken heart statement. We are also content that our revamp effort is running smoothly with the JF-17 while you continue to pour millions if not billions in a domestic project.
Maybe you should spend the millions wasted on lobbying on your SU-30 fleet which is said to be only some 60% operational.

It is not only reality, it is part of our history, this is how an arms race between Indian and Pakistan progresses.
Pakistan buys something, India responds by buying something better and in higher numbers. And they do this because they can afford it, afterall Indian economy is almost ten times as big as Pakistan's.

For example in 80s Pakistan bought 40 F-16s, India responded by buying 40 Mirage 2000s and 60 Mig 29s.

But the smart money goes in preventing your enemy buying a good weapon in the first place, so that you can save your money.

That is why lobbying is such a smart investment.

With all said and done, even if PAF buys these 8 jets, by lobbying India has ensured that PAF has to pay three times as much as it would paid, with only a few million dollars investment.

 

[barbarosa]

And I read some where that it's US that allows XYZ country to Sale it otherwise they can't...

Second hand hi hamesha Cheez lete rehna

IN Pashto ( Mula la kho de pae wee ka da khray wee ka da spae wee ) Mulla ko doodh chaheye doodh gadhi ka ho ya kutti ka, We need of F16 from USA or other country.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

oh their love affair with this bird ...
They have to buy ayf sola, even from some scrap yard.

Cause Mighty Ayf Sola is the answer to Every Indian Threat i.e Rafales Super Sukhoi Upgraded Jaguars MiG-29 etc etc

 

[weqi]

Can be pressures tactic

 

[Arsalan]

There is a reason they get to a position where they get to make such decisions and you don't

oh their love affair with this bird ...
They have to buy ayf sola, even from some scrap yard.

THIS is the reason dear!

 

[Paksanity]

Sartaj Aziz? Somebody make this guy retire please!

 

[Sinnerman108]

I would say its better to start looking elsewhere. I mean why does our love for the F-16s does not end. The fact that its american and americans are known to be the worst supplier, should alone be enough of a reason to end F-16s. Now that they are fully in Indian camp, even more so.
So even if LM reduces price as you suggested it would still not be able to make it up for the FMF. I doubt that PAF will be able to acquire them on cash. Next bet should be on J-10c.

See this. Exactly as I predicted.
It is all business.
https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...funding-not-arranged-aziz-cautions-us.429123/

 

[Photon]

I agree with the jist of your post about the legitimacy in lobbying execpet this part:



Since when has the IAF procured jets on a 1-1 basis of the PAF? The PAF buys 8 the IAF will induct 8? This is not how these things work. The IAF has their own sanctioned strength (currently 42 SQNs) and are working to acheive this figure by 2025 regardless of what the PAF do.

First of all Rafale was just an example.

Secondly IAF doesn't formulate its procurement policies in isolation. They do it keeping, respective strength of rival air forces(PAF and PLAAF) in perspective.

Tomorrow PAF manages to increase its strength to 35 squadrons, IAF will be forced to increase its strength to 60 Squadrons.

In broader perspective, each and every acquisition PAF makes, IAF gets something better and in higher numbers.

So its better to prevent PAF from buying good fighter in the first place itself, than spending 2-3 times the amount countering it.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

We don't have any foreign Minister , lol NS yes NS our PM is also our FM ,,,,,,LMAO what a joke,
And those 2 very old guys in Foreign Affairs Ministry are like 2 old "Massi Phapaykutnies" , the type you basically find in old Mohallas , they are only got at destroying peoples relation ship , there family life and etc.

 

[Dr Gupta]

Besides Trade with US american interest lies with PAK , as for Afghanistan because indian thinks they are so smart in afghanistan by using northern allies , but still situation worse & worse and will remain worse because of afghan public support is not with the northern allies


and the second thing pakistan is the bigger source of NATO supply line. i think we do have also some interest for our security.

what Northern Alliance? That was pre 9/11 India, Russia & Iran backed them to counter the Pakistani/Saudi backed Taliban.

 

[RoadRunner401]

It is a time to Pakistan review its policy on the war on terror.

OK LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are not fighting W.O.T, for the Americans, you are fighting the W.O.T, for your own survival, war on terror has affected Pakistan dearly and cost billions/yr. You cannot use your (WOT) fight for survival to blackmail another nation 1000s of miles apart and one of your biggest trading partner.

 

[Tipu7]

It was PAF plan to get one Squadron of F16 Blk52 along with one squadron of Surplus F16 Blk15 which later caould be given MLU.
But now it seems that new cutting edge Blk52 are out and all we are left with option of buying 2 squadron of second hand f16s...............
Too weak planning, too weak foreign policies..............

Though it can also be a ''pressure tactic'' or ''strategic move'' .......... but its very unlikely