MastanKhan
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Doctor,
They still are complimentary systems.
I am not confused---my uncle ( was married to my mother's younger sister ) was one of the pioneers of pakistani nuc program---. He got PhD in nuc physics in UK and job training in the U S---at one time israelis offered him a job in the late 60's to come work in israel. He was one of the original scientists who setup the nuc program long before Dr A Q Khan came into the picture. A couple of his colleagues from U S visited our house in the late 60's early 70's. And as I stayed with my uncle in my early college days---I met most of them at their houses---like Samar M was the next door neighbor---. At that time in early 70's---I cannot recall anyone of them being educated from netherland. It was either UK, Canada, U S, Germany but France I do not remember
Netherland was just one of the conduits that came into picture later on---.
You are a still a muslim nation and no chance of being converted to a christian nation---. If you have not living in the U S for years---you cannot comprehend about this RELIGIOUS war that the U S has waged all over the muslim world----you cannot understand the born again christian american mentality---you may be able to talk about it---but you have to live with them to see and understand the conviction of their beliefs.
The above was the Gist of my comments---about religion and nuc threats---that is what you need to focus on. You raised the nuc threat with your everday and every night slogans---every Jack sh-it yelled that slogan---and now as you have made the world hear that solgan and made them aware of it---they are just retaliating in the way they know the best---.
They give you the rope---which they know---that you will hang yourself with in due time.
There is not going to be any peace for you----. You will have to fight for it to earn peace---you will have to prepare for it to have peace---you will have to be strong to have peace----otherwise it is all TOPI DRAMA.
Hi,
The proof is in the pudding---. They are absolutely pathetic and tactless----. Their job should only be to train and fight---. The deals should be made by civilians.
The guy cancels the deal for mirage 2000's over a paltry sum of around $200 million. Now look at it from a car salesman's perspective-----I say that---because to sell--- I have to make decisions on my feet---I have to think about the consequences at a lightening speed----what is it going to do to me---what is it going to do to the overall picture---.
The failure occured when the overall scenario was not taken into account---a salesman like me would have not looked at the dollar figure but at the UNIT FIGURE it would effect----ie---how many aircraft for $200 million---and that comes to roughly 4 aircraft---so---out of my 36 aircraft that I was to buy---I will lose 4 to bribes---.
Now tell me---would 32 aircraft do the job---I am pretty sure they would----. Again---you have another problem---high maintenance---take out another 4 aircraft---another $200 million---put it in fixed deposit for 20 years---the interest rates were high---.
So---tell me---would 28 aircraft could have done the job----. I am pretty sure they would have.
As I was here in the 80's---it was the same scenario with F16's that is going on now---. Well wishers told paf---not to buy any F16's---go for the M2K's---it was the same fcking excuse that the Paf had at time that many a people are giving now---" we will have to train for another aircraft " WTF.
When the sanctions hit---well wishers suggested to stop the future payments---and ask for the money back and create a lwasuit against the U S govt---for re-nigging on the contract.
These fools in the paf---did not believe anyone---but kept on making payments for the F16's. They could have stopped after they had made the first 50 million dollars payment. The deal was cancelled---why did they make the payments---.
Even at that time---the mirage F1 fighter was available---the last batch of the F1 fighters was as capable as our current JF17 is with basic avionics---so in the worst case---we could have had the JF17 capability with basic avionics in the 80's.
So---someone please tell me where the progress is in the paf---we are 10-15 years behind where we should have been.
That is why you need salesmen do the sales job and fighters need to train for battles.
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