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When Pakistan Fails

Even as the Indian public and legislators are yet to be provided well-researched reports on the Mumbai terror attack, the incident has been
subjected to careful study by various US agencies. The key findings on the attack, from an American point of view, have been presented before the US Senate Committee of Homeland Security and Government Affairs. One of the experts who has submitted his findings is Brian Michael Jenkins, a specialist on terrorism for well over four decades.

Among his findings, which are likely to influence American judgment, are the following. First, India will continue to face a serious jihadi terrorist threat from Pakistan-based terrorist groups for the foreseeable future. However, India lacks military options that have strategic-level effects, as it faces a significant risk of a military response from Pakistan. Neither Indian nor US policy is likely to be able to reduce that threat significantly in the short or medium term.

Second, safe havens continue to be key enablers for terrorist groups. Safe havens allow terrorist leaders to recruit, select and train their operators and make it easier for terrorists to plan and execute complex operations, such as the Mumbai attack. Therefore, at the strategic level, the Mumbai attack underscores the imperative of addressing the transnational sources of Islamist terrorism in India. How to do this is an extraordinarily difficult question that will require the reassessment of basic assumptions concerning policy towards Pakistan by members of the international community.

Third, intelligence failure, inadequate counterterrorist training and equipment of local police, delays in the response of the NSG commandos, flawed hostage rescue plans and poor strategic communications and information management all contributed to a less-than-optimal response in Mumbai. These gaps suggest the need for improved counterterrorist coordination between national level and local security agencies. Unless India can improve the quality and functioning of its entire internal security apparatus it will remain acutely vulnerable to further terrorist penetration and attacks.

These assessments are indisputable. Jenkins has also referred to terrorists of indigenous origins and possible local support to Pakistan-based jihadi terrorists. This has been picked up and highlighted in sections of the Pakistani media. Jenkins has not gone deeply into the consequences of Pakistan nurturing terrorism for the Pakistani state and civil society. He however observes, significantly, that "Pakistan's principal defence against external pressure is not its nuclear arsenal, but its own political fragility... its government's less-than-full cooperation is preferable to the country's collapse and descent into chaos."


The 9/11 attack on the US was followed by the largest reorganisation in its administrative structure with the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, and a very radical restructuring of its intelligence set-up. The basic norm of intelligence functioning up to that time that intelligence be shared on a need-to-know basis was changed to the understanding that intelligence has to be shared on the basis of functional imperatives. While the US agencies have been trying to draw lessons from the Mumbai attacks to enhance America's security, what lessons can India draw from the US experience?

It is abundantly clear that the relationship between India and Pakistan is more akin to a cold war. There is a basic incompatibility between a state which, in spite of having become a victim of the terrorist Frankenstein it nurtured, is reluctant to fight terrorism because of its religious affiliations though the jihadi project is a perversion of Islam and a secular state. As of today, the Pakistani civil society has not yet made up its mind to fight, without any reservation, the jihadi cult. As long as the Pakistani civil society does not take a stand on this issue, it cannot be helped either by India or the rest of the world.

If this is understood in India, this country has to prepare itself to wage a campaign against jihadi terrorism. Pakistan should be contained by the international community till forces within that country rise to fight against the jihadi cult. The Indian response following the Mumbai attack has been feeble, not in respect of an imprudent military response advocated by a hawkish section, but in terms of internal preparedness. We need a full-time cabinet minister for internal security. There is an imperative need to have a director of national intelligence and our National Security Council should be focusing wholly on protecting this country against jihadi aggression. Public opinion should be mobilised to educate the public about the nature of the threat we face.

There is increasing understanding in the US and NATO countries about the limitations of a civilian government in Pakistan vis-a-vis the Pakistani army and the ISI, and their relationship with jihadi groups. There is a limit beyond which Pakistani civil society cannot blackmail the rest of the world that unless their unreasonable demands are continuously met, even while they will not take a stand against jihadis, they will end up as a failed state. There are sections in Pakistan which threaten that if Pakistan goes down it will take India along. Our preparedness should be aimed at averting that contingency. The jihadi cult has a suicidal tendency. The rest of the world does not.

The writer is a Delhi-based strategic affairs analyst.

TOP ARTICLE | When Pakistan Fails-Editorial-Opinion-The Times of India
 
the big difference between other countries that are mentioned in that report and pakistan is that, pak is the only country with nukes. this is a real problem for the world and its neighbours, if the report is to be believed.:frown:
 
Mountbatten thought Pakistan was going to fail in 1947 when he changed the date of partition and awarded Ferozpur to India...leaving Pakistan without an army base and he tried to bring chaos to the Muslims.

If Pakistan survived in 1947, Pakistan can survive now.
Not every place in Pakistan is Waziristan.
 
the big difference between other countries that are mentioned in that report and pakistan is that, pak is the only country with nukes. this is a real problem for the world and its neighbours, if the report is to be believed.:frown:

oh great another indian :rolleyes:
 
Mountbatten thought Pakistan was going to fail in 1947 when he changed the date of partition and awarded Ferozpur to India...leaving Pakistan without an army base and he tried to bring chaos to the Muslims.

If Pakistan survived in 1947, Pakistan can survive now.
Not every place in Pakistan is Waziristan.

hope is the basis of life.
but, these reports can be completely wrong, can they?
there must be some truth in it. atleast, one fact is clear that this is the most important time for pakistan and it must act in right direction with active help from its friends, otherwise the report might come true.
 
hope is the basis of life.
but, these reports can be completely wrong, can they?
there must be some truth in it. atleast, one fact is clear that this is the most important time for pakistan and it must act in right direction with active help from its friends, otherwise the report might come true.

Who are making these reports? Foreigners?

Have they travelled to Pakistan recently and seen Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar, Quetta, Gwadar, Waziristan, etc... before making this report? I hardly doubt it.

Yes some of our cities like Waziristan are having trouble but violence there is still not bad like our grandparents saw in 1947 in Lahore and Karachi..if we got over that we can get over this. Mountbatten was sure that Pakistan would fail after he changed the date of partition and he was proven wrong. Foreigners will be proven wrong again. Why are you all after Pakistan? Make your country prosperous we dont care, why do you wish bad for our country?
 
Who are making these reports? Foreigners?

Have they travelled to Pakistan recently and seen Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi, Peshawar, Quetta, Gwadar, Waziristan, etc... before making this report? I hardly doubt it.

Yes some of our cities like Waziristan are having trouble but violence there is still not bad like our grandparents saw in 1947 in Lahore and Karachi..if we got over that we can get over this. Mountbatten was sure that Pakistan would fail after he changed the date of partition and he was proven wrong. Foreigners will be proven wrong again. Why are you all after Pakistan? Make your country prosperous we dont care, why do you wish bad for our country?

you have nukes! and if you were to become 'a failed state' then, it is a very fearful scenario for the world. so, everyone is concerned. is it so hard to understand? :hitwall:

as for foreigners making reports, are you saying that these foreigners are making reports only to malign pakistan? but wat would they gain by doing so?

as for the time of independece, both india and pakistan were lucky to have survived such a partition.
 
you have nukes! and if you were to become 'a failed state' then, it is a very fearful scenario for the world. so, everyone is concerned. is it so hard to understand? :hitwall:

as for foreigners making reports, are you saying that these foreigners are making reports only to malign pakistan? but wat would they gain by doing so?

as for the time of independece, both india and pakistan were lucky to have survived such a partition.

I think its more fearful that India has nukes knowing that 10 lunatics shook up the whole country in 26/11.

Anyways, Pakistan is not failing if you dont believe me take a trip to Lahore and see for yourself...many Sikhs from India come to Pakistan for pilgrimage, do they fear?
 
I think its more fearful that India has nukes knowing that 10 lunatics shook up the whole country in 26/11.

Anyways, Pakistan is not failing if you dont believe me take a trip to Lahore and see for yourself...many Sikhs from India come to Pakistan for pilgrimage, do they fear?

those lunatics were well trained and well armed, those lunatics chose to hide in hotels and houses behinds innocent civilians. that the reason it took so much time and effort. you shouldnt make such tit-for-tat kind of statements. it only derails the debate.


arent you living outside pakistan as well?
anyway, do you deny that taliban is getting more emboldened every day near you western border?
or does pakistan to you mean only cities like lahore and karachi?
 
those lunatics were well trained and well armed, those lunatics chose to hide in hotels and houses behinds innocent civilians. that the reason it took so much time and effort. you shouldnt make such tit-for-tat kind of statements. it only derails the debate.


arent you living outside pakistan as well?
anyway, do you deny that taliban is getting more emboldened every day near you western border?
or does pakistan to you mean only cities like lahore and karachi?

My parents and I came in this country long before "War on Terror" started and I do visit Pakistan frequently, I suggest foreigners see the country for themselves if they really want to know the situation in Pakistan. Reading articles by people who never even been to Pakistan is useless.
 
While I agree with Omar that many foreigners don't have the complete view of Pakistan because they just go by the negative media headlines, I feel that many Pakistanis are also not able to grasp the seriousness of the situation because they are too near to the scene and are unable to take a dispassionate view, possibly losing the perspective or going into denial.

The reality is somewhere in between. Better than the worst predictions and headlines and worse than what you would think going through Lahore, Karachi or Islamabad.
 
My parents and I came in this country long before "War on Terror" started and I do visit Pakistan frequently, I suggest foreigners see the country for themselves if they really want to know the situation in Pakistan. Reading articles by people who never even been to Pakistan is useless.

and do you claim to have visited pakistan's every inch? you assume that entire pakistan is safe and sound depending upon the situation in your place of residence during your visit to pakistan. you also depend on reports/articles, dont you?

anyway, why do you assume that an international report on different countries is made without proper research? those guys may know more about your country than you would know by simply visiting a city once in a while.

so, you need to come up with a better counter arguement than simply claiming that 'foreigner dont know about your country'. questioning the intergrity of the report is not good either.
 
This thread is being closed becasue quite frankly, a hypothetical scenario with plenty of potential for turning into a flame war is all that is being discussed here.
 
and do you claim to have visited pakistan's every inch? you assume that entire pakistan is safe and sound depending upon the situation in your place of residence during your visit to pakistan. you also depend on reports/articles, dont you?

anyway, why do you assume that an international report on different countries is made without proper research? those guys may know more about your country than you would know by simply visiting a city once in a while.

so, you need to come up with a better counter arguement than simply claiming that 'foreigner dont know about your country'. questioning the intergrity of the report is not good either.

You don't have to visit every inch - turmoil in Assam does not make all of India chaotic.

The fact remains that large parts of Pakistan are as Omar described, especially the economic and industrial centers.

Smaller sections are afflicted with instability, but nowhere close to a large section of the country.
 
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