Pakistan Looking at Three Option to buy Stealth Aircrafts Including F-35

[MastanKhan]

Sir, though I find myself disagreeing with you on occasions, your attention to details amazes me sometimes.

Pappy,

If you had been doing my job----ie a special finance director----finding loans for people with terrible credit---and looking thru 50 lines of bad credit for 1 item that was good that would make sense to the lender----you would be doing the same----just kidding---I am pretty sure you are as keen as one can be.

 

[Rank]

I don't think the point was Urdu or Chinese press. The point was, what I said two years ago (knowing "something"), was bit*ch slapped and called out fantasies. The news has started to come out now. And you'll hear more and more. If you want me to give you an educated guess, Pakistan will operate both, the F-35 and the J-31 by 2025. They may be limited in numbers but it will happen. Plus some options to JV Turkish stealth program by 2025 will also be on the cards. You just have to wait and see.

You know wat.. hearing such news PAF going of B52, B2, Su35, J20, F22 Ratpr etc etc since long time... actual may khali 8 Fsola laraka tyaray he miltay hain hahahhahah

 

[wiseone2]

Keep believing me, my guess is Pakistan will operate 2 squadrons of F-35 + a few training craft, so 44-45 in numbers.

I am sure, someone will donate a few million high tech jobs to Pakistan, like the US did to India. With which, the economy will jump start and 10-15 years from now, they'll be able to afford everything in half the size of numbers India has .

Amazing what a country can do with a few million outsourced jobs and investments

without outsourced jobs India is 7x Pakistan. India has purchased 40 Mirage-2000 and 130+ Jaguars in the 1978-1985 timeframe.

 

[I.R.A]

No its not money , its politics , its mistrust , its the war games ?
USA considers Pakistan more closer to China , so it can't risks ira super tech going into Chinese hands ?

This is something bigger than being close to China, it is something where Chinese interests and USA's interests are aligned???? Anyways for the time being it is just a consideration and that too of Pakistan's, so not a big deal anyone can consider anything what is stopping them, however, if this deal is to mature in future I would hope that we are not offering an embarrassing and self hurting role this time.

 

[somebozo]

 

[SQ8]

The biggest shortcoming of the Pakistan mind........ they don't know how to verify and authenticate......... the whole society has started to piss me off......... the problem for me is that I can't offload so much land within a few years time. It's going to take a decade to do it in a sustained and profitable method, in the meantime, I've limited my exposure to awam!

The news can be authentic and STILL UNREALISTIC. Because two airchiefs ago we've had statements that we could "buy the F-22" but its too expensive. If the PAF chief has no idea that the F-22 is forbidden for export by US law, then clearly he is being a little optimistic about the F-35.

There is a slim chance for a F-35 export.. much like the F-16/79 was.. but it would be foolish to even think of such an option.

 

[Vyom]

I don't think the point was Urdu or Chinese press. The point was, what I said two years ago (knowing "something"), was bit*ch slapped and called out fantasies. The news has started to come out now. And you'll hear more and more. If you want me to give you an educated guess, Pakistan will operate both, the F-35 and the J-31 by 2025. They may be limited in numbers but it will happen. Plus some options to JV Turkish stealth program by 2025 will also be on the cards. You just have to wait and see.

Okay good. Here is the cost estimate. 2 Squads menas (x2 the cost) Good luck...

Costs about $100 Million a pop at fly away. As it will require separate infrastructure and set of maintenance, training, and armaments storage facilities ads to about $300+ million a pop (very conservative estimate). Say Pakistan gets at least one squad, 18 birds. costs 5.4 Billion USD. Pakistan's def-budget is about $7.7 Billion/annual. add operation cost of $769 million each over 50 year operational life cycle. makes $276 million per year for one squad at $15.3 million per bird housed at a single Airbase.
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I suggest you guys should buy a THAAD system to protect that air base.

 

[batmannow]

This is something bigger than being close to China, it is something where Chinese interests and USA's interests are aligned???? Anyways for the time being it is just a consideration and that too of Pakistan's, so not a big deal anyone can consider anything what is stopping them, however, if this deal is to mature in future I would hope that we are not offering an embarrassing and self hurting role this time.

If what you say is true then , China was happily be buying raptors in good numbers from USA ?
Sadly reality is not what you think ?
They have given you F-16s you have almost copied it in China , now you have JFT s , so they won't risks some of their future tech been copied in China & cheaply ,produced against their defence instersts .

 

[Battle Axe]

F-35 is a great 5th generation aircraft and will be a good addition to the PAF Fleet.

Good? If this happens, even till 2025, oh man, PAF back to glory days.

 

[I.R.A]

If what you say is true then , China was happily be buying raptors in good numbers from USA ?
Sadly reality is not what you think ?
They have given you F-16s you have almost copied it in China , now you have JFT s , so they won't risks some of their future tech been copied in China & cheaply ,produced against their defence instersts .

Strictly "Mayray Mutabik" so any geopolitical expert here is advised not to read my comment at all.

They will not hand it over to us on a platter, as many experts here said it is near to impossible but I am talking about our considerations and wish lists.

For me it is simple they have tried replacing us with the ugly neighbor but that did not work, if it was only about spending money (which our neighbor does and boasts so proudly) then may be it would have sufficed for them but they need more than spending money and our neighbor cannot do that more, whereas we are used to doing it. So maybe they are offering the role again but this time we have other options too that is why we are wishing for something impossible for them to fulfill?

China with its ambitions and plans cannot afford this region to remain destabilised and similarly US after spending a decade in Afghanistan won't want that too but both of them plus Russia and rest of world wants an end to ISIS. And the news that we keep hearing about ISIS in Pakistan.......... well may be some ground work is on its way again like in past Pakistan and AT, Pakistan and AQ, Pakistan and TTP and now Pakistan and ISIS. The critical decision I guess would be whether we accept and start owning this new franchise of terror or we really think it is time to encash the importance and have everybody as our friends and partners. I don't want Baghdadi to be found from Cheecho Ki Malian or Cheecha Watani or Lala Moosa.

 

[ConcealCarry]

Like they were buying 126 Rafaels in a heart beat 15 years ago, but some time during those 15 years that heart beat stopped and it's now just an arse beat.........

Two issues with f-35 acquisition
$$$ and China

Indian air force would buy 40 f-35s in a heart beat. My guess is that Uncle Sam has not offered it

 

[raazh]

The news can be authentic and STILL UNREALISTIC. Because two airchiefs ago we've had statements that we could "buy the F-22" but its too expensive. If the PAF chief has no idea that the F-22 is forbidden for export by US law, then clearly he is being a little optimistic about the F-35.

There is a slim chance for a F-35 export.. much like the F-16/79 was.. but it would be foolish to even think of such an option.

Chief's statement is meant for our neighbor .. who is about to make a call for Rafale .. Maybe make them think extra HARD with some more delays ... Nothing more, nothing less ..

 

[$@rJen]

Let China field J-20 then US will not have issues in selling few squadrons of F-35s like they sell F-16s in 80s, if US want to keep influence on Pakistan they have to provide some things which Pakistan feel good against their enemy else they will loose influence.

I don't think F-35 fits PAF's requirement of 5th gen frontline fighter, although its very advance plane but still its short legged in many areas for PAF because they cannot field it in good numbers like NATO countries.

Sanctions free 5th gen which fulfilled all PAF operational requirements should be perused western or eastern.

Ya the same way they didn't give you F-15s... US's influence will be there in Pakistan not via f-35 but maybe f-18s in the future.

Come on,, So what JF is a good plane for you as you since you call it backbone of PAF??? the reach of F-35 is more than enough for the battle between PAF and IAF. the biggest problem is Congress allowing to sell it to Pakistan even if they allowed like you said Numbers will be a great disadvantage. You've better chance of fielding Chinese ones in softloans than F-35, moreover India will be getting around 2 sqd of F-35C for the Navy. all will be equalized

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

I'll prefer 1 squardon of F35 instead of buying 2 squardons of Su35 or typhoon. F35, the 2nd best gen stealth fighter will give us qualitative edge. Even 1 squardon can give opponent sleepless night.

 

[fatman17]

time to close this silly thread