Pakistan issues a stark warning to Trump's Generals on the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan.

[Indika]

What a bloody irony. The country which attacked you in the past will act as a savior and the country which protected you in the past will be considered as invaders.
Politics is really dramatic sometimes. This is really getting interesting.

It would be poetic justice but I dont think things will go to such an extent.

Pakistan's usual black mail means nothing to US. bcos
1) Afghanistan is not that much important as syria. Syria is seen as russia's attempt to reestablish itself as main player. it is more of a power struggle less to do with terrorism.
2) Russia will not send its troop afghanistan, that would be the most stupid mistake. Why shed blood for no gain? they have already had their lessons.
3) Again who the hell is going to trust pakistan . Every one knows who is supporting taliban and who will benefit from this exercise.

Pakistan will try to convince world powers to send troops knowing very well such a thing will not happen. Then what?
Then pakistan will send its own troops and do what it wants, eliminate all taliban rivals. ISIS is just a ruse. why in the world would ISIS be interested in afghanistan? The so called ISIS are nothing but TTP.

 

[PeaceGen]

Pakistan warns Trump’s generals
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Published: March 6, 2017
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Pakistan’s military has warned Donald Trump’s new generals that they face a ‘total mess’ in Afghanistan unless the US and UK can halt the advance of IS and the Taliban.

In an interview with the Telegraph, a senior Pakistani army source said the collapse in security since the draw-down of Western troops from Afghanistan meant the West now faced ‘losing control’.

If IS and the Taliban continued to gain strength, he added, it could tempt Russia to stage a Syrian-style intervention, this time on the pretext of protecting its ‘backyard’ in Central Asia.

The source within the Pakistani army said that in recent weeks, high-level discussions had taken place with both Resolute Support Mission commander Gen John Nicholson and James Mattis, the retired US general appointed by Mr Trump as Secretary of Defence.

How Trump will shape Pakistan-US ties

Gen Nicholson himself admitted last month that Afghan forces were now in a stalemate against a resurgent Taliban. The Pakistani source said even that was an optimistic assessment.

“A stalemate is still a win for the Taliban,” he said. “We have told Gen Mattis that Afghanistan is slipping out of control, and that if things are not put right, America will have a huge crisis on its hands. “Da’ish is also developing there, and if they leave Syria and Iraq, the next place for them to gather in is Afghanistan.”

Pakistan has criticised the Kabul government for not doing enough to seal its side of the Afghan border, from where Islamabad says militants are now launching attacks on both Pakistani and Afghan soil.

However, Islamabad admits that Kabul is limited by the capabilities of the Afghan National Army.

“There are 350,000 troops in the Afghan army, but only about 20,000 are capable of combat missions,” said the Pakistani military source.

“They also have about 1,000 generals, most of whom are appointed because of their tribal affiliations rather than on merit. The problem is that you can’t teach a donkey to gallop.”

Trump’s Afghan options

The military source added that Russia feared the West was using IS as a “plot to destabilise its backyard”, and could use it as an excuse to extend military operations into Afghanistan.

Last month, Russia held a conference for regional powers on Afghanistan, signalling what could be the opening stages of such a strategy.

The summit, to which the US was not invited, called for dialogue with the Taliban, which Moscow has already started backchannel contacts with. The Kremlin says the Taliban can be used to battle IS.

Washington believes that Kremlin-Taliban contacts are simply to help Moscow build proxy assets in Afghanistan.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 6th, 2017.

Washington is probably right on this point. Although the Afghans often attack foreign regions which try to get Aghans to sumbit themselves to foreign masters. I do wonder how the Russians see the Afghans? As expendable assets, or as friends/frenemies to keep an eye on?

Russia is slowly edging into afghanistan and there is nothing US can do because afghanistan is under occupation just enough to keep the jesters of kabul propped up and heroin flowing out of afghanistan. Heroin is becoming a huge killer of Russians and it has reached all time high under US NATO occupation to the point it is now replacing Cocaine in the US!
More than Taliban and isis it is heroin in my opinion that is destructive and that will a bigger concern which is not being discussed as publicly as it should be.

Simply put afghanistan is a bigger opium den than a den of terrorism, this is just like when the British were growing opium to put the Chinese on it in the 19th Century.

A anti-drugs war is a valid reason to strike back, even invading. Keep your house (country) in order, or we're going to have to do it for you.

 

[idune]

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Looks like india is scared of the fact - if Russia and China engaged in Afghan front, indian terrorist assets have no place to hide and indian defensive offense terror scheme will looses it both legs.

1) Afghanistan is not that much important as syria. Syria is seen as russia's attempt to reestablish itself as main player. it is more of a power struggle less to do with terrorism.

Afghanistan is underbelly and more important for Russia and utmost importance for China.

2) Russia will not send its troop afghanistan, that would be the most stupid mistake. Why shed blood for no gain? they have already had their lessons.

Russia does not need to, Russia just need to provide support to its partner on ground. That is what Russia is actively engaging Pakistan, China and Talibans.

3) Again who the hell is going to trust pakistan . Every one knows who is supporting taliban and who will benefit from this exercise.

No one trust indians and their stooges in Kabul. Talebans have more acceptability among Afghans facing brutal killings from US and its stooges over last 15 years. Besides, trust is not something india can cultivate, it is more ingrained in Afghan tribes, clan and society.

 

[mrrehan]

Pakistan warns Trump’s generals
By Newsdesk
Published: March 6, 2017
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Pakistan’s military has warned Donald Trump’s new generals that they face a ‘total mess’ in Afghanistan unless the US and UK can halt the advance of IS and the Taliban.

In an interview with the Telegraph, a senior Pakistani army source said the collapse in security since the draw-down of Western troops from Afghanistan meant the West now faced ‘losing control’.

If IS and the Taliban continued to gain strength, he added, it could tempt Russia to stage a Syrian-style intervention, this time on the pretext of protecting its ‘backyard’ in Central Asia.

The source within the Pakistani army said that in recent weeks, high-level discussions had taken place with both Resolute Support Mission commander Gen John Nicholson and James Mattis, the retired US general appointed by Mr Trump as Secretary of Defence.

How Trump will shape Pakistan-US ties

Gen Nicholson himself admitted last month that Afghan forces were now in a stalemate against a resurgent Taliban. The Pakistani source said even that was an optimistic assessment.

“A stalemate is still a win for the Taliban,” he said. “We have told Gen Mattis that Afghanistan is slipping out of control, and that if things are not put right, America will have a huge crisis on its hands. “Da’ish is also developing there, and if they leave Syria and Iraq, the next place for them to gather in is Afghanistan.”

Pakistan has criticised the Kabul government for not doing enough to seal its side of the Afghan border, from where Islamabad says militants are now launching attacks on both Pakistani and Afghan soil.

However, Islamabad admits that Kabul is limited by the capabilities of the Afghan National Army.

“There are 350,000 troops in the Afghan army, but only about 20,000 are capable of combat missions,” said the Pakistani military source.

“They also have about 1,000 generals, most of whom are appointed because of their tribal affiliations rather than on merit. The problem is that you can’t teach a donkey to gallop.”

Trump’s Afghan options

The military source added that Russia feared the West was using IS as a “plot to destabilise its backyard”, and could use it as an excuse to extend military operations into Afghanistan.

Last month, Russia held a conference for regional powers on Afghanistan, signalling what could be the opening stages of such a strategy.

The summit, to which the US was not invited, called for dialogue with the Taliban, which Moscow has already started backchannel contacts with. The Kremlin says the Taliban can be used to battle IS.

Washington believes that Kremlin-Taliban contacts are simply to help Moscow build proxy assets in Afghanistan.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 6th, 2017.

What a world of politics this is. Once an enemy "Taliban", will be Russian Ally in near future. And Kremlin will definitely settle the previous scores. The situation is full of consequence.

* Will Pakistan would like to do Russian style air strike in Afghanistan against TTP-Pakistan & ISIS.
* Will India help their dear Afghan friends by sending their tropes on ground.
* Will Russia see any Indian roll in this conflict, if happens.
* What sort of roll Chinese will be playing help in settling down in Afghanistan.
* Which side will India would like to chose Russian or American.
* Iran might be giving hand against ISIS in Afghanistan perhaps fighting side be side with Afghan Taliban.
* Hopefully India at-least host the Afghan refugees this time.
* American, less expensive solution, retrate from Afghanistan perhaps settle into India.
* It will be in the best Interest of Russia, China, Iran and Pakistan that, there will be no American's existence.
* Without American existence in Afghanistan can India play any roll there.

Interesting to see in near future. Peace is good, but almost happens when all the parties exhausted there options first.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

I am not sure what you are seeing here? it's a simple matter of safeguarding one's own interest and making sure your backyard is safe. That's what everyone does.

Just irony of turn of events in your backyard. Nothing else.

 

[mrrehan]

1) Afghanistan is not that much important as syria. Syria is seen as russia's attempt to reestablish itself as main player. it is more of a power struggle less to do with terrorism.

Wondering what was/is America's Interest in Afghanistan, or india's interest, why Russia was there or why Chinese are thinking about Afghanistan. Hopefully Americans, Russians and Chinese can think something that you can't see.

2) Russia will not send its troop afghanistan, that would be the most stupid mistake. Why shed blood for no gain? they have already had their lessons.

Kindly don't over use your brain, because if you can see "Russian is operating airbases and installed S-400 SAM in Syria" which is quite away as compare Afghanistan why can't they do it at their door step. Why you are underestimating Russia you dear friend.

3) Again who the hell is going to trust pakistan . Every one knows who is supporting taliban and who will benefit from this exercise.

India is in the world's radar when seven of indian weapon manufacturer involved in supplying weapon to ISIS in Afghanistan. Under Obama administration

" The White House says India could play a role battling the Islamic State, according to a Reuters report. And yet at least publicly, top Indian leaders have said almost nothing about fighting the rampant terrorist group in Syria and Iraq. So why has India been so quiet? "

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/27/how-come-india-isnt-speaking-out-against-the-islamic-state/

Seven Indian companies supplying components to ISIS: Report

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...nents-to-isis-report/articleshow/51142301.cms

Now to let you know ISIS never ever be in the Afghan political system ever. But Taliban are a reality US and UK are in talk with them to resolved issues in Afghanistan. There are Taliban's offices in Qatar and Turkey as well. Do you know any ISIS political office?

Tell me who will believe India? This is zero credibility

Through CPEC Pakistan is going to be an economic activity hub, where every country is participating. Pakistan is giving them economic benefits for long-term. I don't see why any country will listen to india over Pakistan. Can India offer the same to world?

 

[WaLeEdK2]

No matter what happens the afghan Taliban will survive and be a significant force. If they come into power Afghanistan will be stable and therefore Pakistan will become more stable. The Russian and Chinese have accepted the Taliban and want talks with them.

 

[schoolboy]

What a world of politics this is. Once an enemy "Taliban", will be Russian Ally in near future. And Kremlin will definitely settle the previous scores. The situation is full of consequence.

A good reason for very limited Russian involvement in Afghanistan IMO - also, the top leadership of Russian military would have entered service during the bloodiest years of the war and it's hard to see them getting too chummy with the taliban.

Kindly don't over use your brain, because if you can see "Russian is operating airbases and installed S-400 SAM in Syria" which is quite away as compare Afghanistan why can't they do it at their door step. Why you are underestimating Russia you dear friend.

In Syria Russia is using the legality of Assad's 'official' status to back him and pound the rebels.

To do the same in Afghanistan would require

(a) Cutting diplomatic ties with the current government; and

(b) Declaring war on the current government; and

(c) Using airpower [at least] and troops [at most] to strike the current government / troops.

In other words attack the official government - the opposite of Syria. Not only would that consume too much diplomatic capital to manage, there's no guarantee the taliban would toe a Russian line in future and such a policy would weaken the legitimacy of the intervention in Syria. Plus Afghanistan is a much bigger country compared to Syria and military operations would be much more expensive - who will pay that bill? [In Syria it is costing Russia approx. $5 mn a day]

 

[Riz]

USA played game with us now time to play game with them there, we should keep killing northern alliance until the last Indian in Afghanistan

 

[nana41]

What is happening in Afghanistan reminds one of the classical Greek tragedies—the intrigues, poetic justice, revenge, bloodshed etc. The situation is complex due to its geostrategic location, terrain, history, and social complexion and of course the availability of huge natural resources yet to be exploited.

According to the official records of the USA, 2,216 American soldiers have died in USA’s 15-year-old war in Afghanistan and more than 20,050 were seriously wounded. Estimates vary but conservative calculation will put the costs of Afghan War anywhere between 4 to 5 trillion US$ of American citizens’ tax money. However, there are no signs of any clear US victory; rather USA is seen to be fighting a losing battle in Afghanistan. And it is losing it for the same reasons it lost in Vietnam, it lost in Iraq and is losing in Syria.

USA now must decide what they want to do—exit, stay or linger. Every option has its own complications and a price to pay. Of course staying for the present, exiting in the short run with honor and leaving behind a lasting peace is the ideal solution but it needs a long term vision backed by serious political commitment. Unfortunately,both are lacking.
In these circumstances, if USA just walks away without leaving any functional government and does not help the incumbents, immediate civil war is imminent which would lead to balkanisation of the state of Afghanistan in at least three parts on ethnic lines. USA therefore should come up with a categorical statement that it will leave Afghanistan only after the conclusion of a comprehensive peace treaty among all the major stakeholders

No one is responsible for paying the damages to American ego. America used the Bin Ladin excuse to to topple the Taliban Govt ,rather than provide the Taliban Govt an evidence that Bin Ladin was responsible for 9/11 controlled demolition.She invaded Afghanistan with the connivance of Pakistani "Jaafer Sadiq"Musharraf the illegal ruler.The brave Muslims of Afghanistan will never give in to Zionist Christian or ku klux klan.U S has managed to install puppet regime, they should declare victory and leave Aghanistan.

 

[M@rKhor]

Meanwhile this is happening....

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1348055/afghan-talibans-political-negotiators-visit-china/

 

[mrrehan]

A good reason for very limited Russian involvement in Afghanistan IMO - also, the top leadership of Russian military would have entered service during the bloodiest years of the war and it's hard to see them getting too chummy with the taliban.



In Syria Russia is using the legality of Assad's 'official' status to back him and pound the rebels.

To do the same in Afghanistan would require

(a) Cutting diplomatic ties with the current government; and
(b) Declaring war on the current government; and
(c) Using airpower [at least] and troops [at most] to strike the current government / troops.

In other words attack the official government - the opposite of Syria. Not only would that consume too much diplomatic capital to manage, there's no guarantee the taliban would toe a Russian line in future and such a policy would weaken the legitimacy of the intervention in Syria. Plus Afghanistan is a much bigger country compared to Syria and military operations would be much more expensive - who will pay that bill? [In Syria it is costing Russia approx. $5 mn a day]

The legitimacy of Afghan government is widely known, as a corrupt puppet govt. installed by aliens. Eexistence of American forces on ground and the American dollar in Afghanistan is the supporting pillar for this government to run, but unsustainable in long run because of new American administration leanness towards Russia and America first slogans.

Previous administrations total war coast $4 Trillion, plus 2,216 American soldiers have died in 15 year more than 20,050 were seriously wounded. The budget at HOME for those solders to be treated with PTSD(Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) is huge as well on Americans economy.

Keeping in mind Americans are fighting terrorism world wide including in Afghanistan. So what if Russia do the same with airstrikes. Taliban is a different story altogether they are locals where ISIS is not. The current puppet government has no roots in Afghan peoples. The existence of ISIS which is not acceptable to Russia, Iran, China and Pakistan, where Americans would have no problem with Russian air sticks against ISIS especially in the area where Afghan government or Americans have no control, Nowadays Americans are controlling the area in which they are themselves to secure their own back side.

Even Afghan Taliban is fighting with ISIS. There is no space of ISIS in Afghanistan. In these fights, Afghan Government is standing nowhere there is no credibility of this government. Where Russia, Iran, China and Pakistan under an umbrella operation are enough to take them out with or without any government. Like Americans needs no permission.

But even then Russia, Iran, China and Pakistan can compensate on Afghan Taliban issue, because they are not a threat to them in order to take the Odd one out which is America

And why "Russia, Iran, China and Pakistan" will do it? There are two reasons first their own national security and the second is future economic activity and security of CPEC.

India is no where here. India may not be interested in CPEC perhaps because of Chabahar, but again China overshadows Indian footprint in region as well as Indian $6bn in debt from past oil purchases with Iran. After American gone with puppet government over then Taliban has no issues to collaboration in new government. India has to prove in the upcoming scenario how she is productive for Afghanistan in future.

 

[schoolboy]

But even then Russia, Iran, China and Pakistan can compensate on Afghan Taliban issue, because they are not a threat to them in order to take the Odd one out which is America

And why "Russia, Iran, China and Pakistan" will do it? There are two reasons first their own national security and the second is future economic activity and security of CPEC.

India is no where here. India may not be interested in CPEC perhaps because of Chabahar, but again China overshadows Indian footprint in region as well as Indian $6bn in debt from past oil purchases with Iran. After American gone with puppet government over then Taliban has no issues to collaboration in new government. India has to prove in the upcoming scenario how she is productive for Afghanistan in future.

You're evading my question.

Do you believe Russia, China and Pakistan will declare war on Ashraf Ghani's government and use military force or expend money to arm the taliban in an effort to oust him?

I don't see that happening for reasons I articulated in my earlier post. If you can reply specifically to what i wrote please do.

 

[AnGrz_Z_K_Jailer]

India is also sponsoring terrorist organization inside Afghanistan, they probably blackmail to afghan Govt to announce the negative statements against Pakistan in front of whole world. otherwise why cant NDS and RAW eradicate the terrorist camps, dens inside Afghanistan? Afghanistan Govt is helpless and puppet of Indian Govt. basically india is responsible in terrorism on both side Pakistan & Afghanistan

^^^^

It is a serious topic my friend be serious and stop making absurd conspiracy theories. No more jokes please.

Regards,
Jailer

 

[mrrehan]

You're evading my question.

Do you believe Russia, China and Pakistan will declare war on Ashraf Ghani's government and use military force or expend money to arm the taliban in an effort to oust him?

I don't see that happening for reasons I articulated in my earlier post. If you can reply specifically to what i wrote please do.

Firstly this is not Russia, China and Pakistan only IRAN as well

No at all avoiding your questions that was in my post. Where I clearly mention
* Why Afghan government is not legitimate.
* How this government is running it self.
* I also mention the cost/losses of war, which is not sustainable now for US under new administration. It's already 15+ years without success.

If it is not sustainable even for USA, Can india provide Afghanistan funds to run this government and use their forces to provide security for them to be secure and how long? Cost does matter.

Afghan government has fail "together with US" to naturalize thereat to even its own national security, and clearly making problems directly or indirectly (Even though repeatedly interdiction by neighbors countries) and disrupting their economic activity. This in it self an act-of-war. (If you will not do it someone else will)

Apart form weapons war fought with money, how you see this corrupt government is functioning after Americans left the countries. Where China, Russia, Iran and Pakistan neighbors are suffering with the terrorism which is dragging and fueling in Afghan boarders.

Americans can only fight with weak countries like Iraq, Vietnam, and non nuclear Japan. Cant go against china and Russia together where Iran and Pakistan have the same objection.

So going against this installed government which is harboring terrorist unable to take action against them. What this sort of government can do Against any country that even have few state control. I don't think for Afghanistan America can declare war against Russia and China.

If Indians can't except a third force come in their country and held election for them, of-course this will be not acceptable for all indians, same go for any nation. And getting desire results with that sort of elections is not hard.

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