Pakistan-Israel relationship

[rockstar08]

And do you really think they give a damn right now, it is this mentality of getting our way openly that is why we are the proverbial paan to spit. If we had relations with Israel, we would have had our little requirements met.. and provide the usual lip service we do to the Palestinians.

well actually we do , unless we and other countries dont recognize them they cant get a permanent seat at security council i guess ?!
and i dont see it a strong reason to have relationship with a country about which our founder never support ,just because they can give business to us or some military equipment doesnt make any govt to go against the will of at least 80% of general public of Pakistan , as i mentioned in my previous post , it not just Religion , if you want to have good relationship with Israel than why not with India ? at least Israel and India have one thing in common , that they both grab a land by force , and would be ok with sitting with someone whom you that in past he support your enemy ? and give intelligence ? or what about their intention to blow up Kahota lab ?? sorry for spell mistake ...

which government will recognize israel just answer that?
its a political sucide in a country like ours

not just for Political govt but for the Armed forces ... the support our armed forces enjoy in Pakistan , will vaporized within days you recognize Israel as a genuine state

You can count genuine people on finger tips, rest all are terrorist supporter, hate mongers who want to keep people in stone age. Your kind will also not see any terrorism in recent repeat of Geo episode - surely there was not any terrorism just couple of enemies were killed. I didn't see any solider going rabid and giving fuckwas of killing random Indians will give you palace in heaven.

oh please , what do you mean by my kind ?? you think your kinds are so liberal ?? sitting with the enemy who want to bomb your A$$ out of will be pride and honor for you ??? and dont forget the slogan of our Armed forces ? they either give a fatwa to go for a war with India or not , but religion is always there as motivation source in PA ... now dont tell me that Pakistan Armed forces only do this to prevent public retaliations ... lolz
and if someone is so against the theory of getting a well settled home in heaven , so please stop calling Peshawar kids as martyrs and also dont call " Shaheed " to those jawans who give their life protecting their land from either taliban or from India ....because we all know the significance of this word " Shaheed " in Islamic history ...

 

[Sugarcane]

oh please , what do you mean by my kind ?? you think your kinds are so liberal ??

I am not liberal but religion i follow teaches me that sanctity of innocent human life is more than of Kabah, and it's God who have to decide who will go into heaven or hell not some fuckwa giving moolah.

sitting with the enemy who want to bomb your A$$ out of will be pride and honor for you ???

Haven't you read history of religion you follow? Did Prophet (PBUH) not made treaties with enemies? How about relations with US? Unlike Israel they actually killed your soldiers also dozens of kids in drone strikes? How about Indian embassies in Pakistan and Pakistani embassies in India?

and dont forget the slogan of our Armed forces ? they either give a fatwa to go for a war with India or not , but religion is always there as motivation source in PA ... now dont tell me that Pakistan Armed forces only do this to prevent public retaliations ... lolz

Now according to you a fuckwa giving mullah to kill random people is equal to soldiers fighting to protect people? Is a hooligan carrying gun is justified because a solider is also carrying? for sane people it's big no because for the purpose they are carrying it totally different. same is the case with religion, the moolah party use religion to create anarchy and terrorists to justify their terrorism while soldiers take it as inspiration to sacrifice their lives to protect others.
https://www.pakistanarmy.gov.pk/AWPReview/TextContent.aspx?pId=17&rnd=108

and if someone is so against the theory of getting a well settled home in heaven , so please stop calling Peshawar kids as martyrs and also dont call " Shaheed " to those jawans who give their life protecting their land from either taliban or from India ....because we all know the significance of this word " Shaheed " in Islamic history ...

Well me and any sane person will be against theory of killing others, their children and burning/looting their properties to get well settled home in heaven, nor the religion i follow have any such provision. I don't think Children of school were harming anyone nor the soldiers go on random shoot of people in streets, markets and schools to get well settled home in heaven.

 

[rockstar08]

I am not liberal but religion i follow teaches me that sanctity of innocent human life is more than of Kabah, and it's God who have to decide who will go into heaven or hell not some fuckwa giving moolah.



Haven't you read history of religion you follow? Did Prophet (PBUH) not made treaties with enemies? How about relations with US? Unlike Israel they actually killed your soldiers also dozens of kids in drone strikes? How about Indian embassies in Pakistan and Pakistani embassies in India?



Now according to you a fuckwa giving mullah to kill random people is equal to soldiers fighting to protect people? Is a hooligan carrying gun is justified because a solider is also carrying? for sane people it's big no because for the purpose they are carrying it totally different. same is the case with religion, the moolah party use religion to create anarchy and terrorists to justify their terrorism while soldiers take it as inspiration to sacrifice their lives to protect others.
https://www.pakistanarmy.gov.pk/AWPReview/TextContent.aspx?pId=17&rnd=108



Well me and any sane person will be against theory of killing others, their children and burning/looting their properties to get well settled home in heaven, nor the religion i follow have any such provision. I don't think Children of school were harming anyone nor the soldiers go on random shoot of people in streets, markets and schools to get well settled home in heaven.

i am not talking about any mullah here , so your first argument collapsed on itself ...

second yeah Prophet Muhammad do Peace treaty with the jews of Madina , but dont forget that once the jews Betray Prophet what he did ?! do you have ability and capability to do such things ?? they already betray you by helping your enemy in Kargil , so what should we do ?? r ally kill their 1500 men ?? will this be acceptable for you ??
and as i said, USA was our ally and friend post 9/11 , after that things have changed ..

not according to me but according to you .. why differenciating between people ? dont you see Israel is killing kids in GAZA ? in Pakistan you want to hang all Child killers and than you are talking about creating relationship those , who are just another version of Talibans and Barbarians ... !!

those who target innocent are animals , according to you , and so today Israel is killing innocent kids , peoples and bombing at schools on GAZA , and just because they throw some bunch of Dollars at our face ,and some parts for our f-16s you are changing your theory. ..

 

[Sugarcane]

i am not talking about any mullah here , so your first argument collapsed on itself ...

second yeah Prophet Muhammad do Peace treaty with the jews of Madina , but dont forget that once the jews Betray Prophet what he did ?! do you have ability and capability to do such things ?? they already betray you by helping your enemy in Kargil , so what should we do ?? r ally kill their 1500 men ?? will this be acceptable for you ??
and as i said, USA was our ally and friend post 9/11 , after that things have changed ..

not according to me but according to you .. why differenciating between people ? dont you see Israel is killing kids in GAZA ? in Pakistan you want to hang all Child killers and than you are talking about creating relationship those , who are just another version of Talibans and Barbarians ... !!

those who target innocent are animals , according to you , and so today Israel is killing innocent kids , peoples and bombing at schools on GAZA , and just because they throw some bunch of Dollars at our face ,and some parts for our f-16s you are changing your theory. ..

I don't know what you are trying to say in the confused post but let me assure you the "Pakistanis" who can't take stand against indiscriminate killing of their own minorities including children even in anonymous cyber world and support equal rights for them as "sarkari Muslims" have no moral grounds for doing lip services for Palestinians. It's funny thing that people boost about role of PAF pilots in War against Israel but cry foul over her role in Kargil.

 

[rockstar08]

I don't know what you are trying to say in the confused post but let me assure you the "Pakistanis" who can't take stand against indiscriminate killing of their own minorities including children even in anonymous cyber world and support equal rights for them as "sarkari Muslims" have no moral grounds for doing lip services for Palestinians. It's funny thing that people boost about role of PAF pilots in War against Israel but cry foul over her role in Kargil.

i see my post is very simply written what is confusing ?!
we did find our pride in Arab war m because we are hostile towards Israel , why its hard for you to understand ? and why are you keep bringing the minorities of Pakistan here ? are you ok brother ?

 

[Menace2Society]

Pakistan should recognize Israel and warm relations, open up trade. It will have positive impact with NATO nations and Pakistan will be treated more fairly. Its good for business and Israel are an advanced bunch, lots to learn from them.

 

[hussain0216]

Pakistan is on the right side of history re Israel

We have made many mistakes in our short history but standing against israel and injustice wasn't one of them

They will crack under the weight of their problems and we will be justified in standing against the occupiers of Jerusalem and Al Aqsa and the subjugators of the people of Palestine

 

[EAK]

israel gya tail lene.. first they shud recognise a proper palestinine nation then it will be alot easier for us to recognise them and build some relationship with them.. its just about standing with the weak

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[Hurter]

We already have relation with Israel. ISI Mossad undercover relation against each other. Chill

 

[SOHEIL]

We already have relation with Israel. ISI Mossad undercover relation against Iran . Chill

Corrected !

 

[asq]

As I've pointed out so many times, the "Jews/Zionists are evil so Israel must be destroyed" meme so popular in Pakistan is a bunch of baloney. I argue those who claim otherwise into silence, circular arguments, or empty repetition, proving them either misguided or evil-seeking obscurantists. All this Zionist-hatred is keeping Pakistanis from thinking logically and morally and thus is feeding the terrorist monsters. So why shouldn't Pakistanis support normalizing relations with Israel as Pakistan has with Russia, India, or the rest of the world?

The short answer is that the Pakistani government has dictated that Pakistanis are not to question Pakistan's stance and that it is forbidden to represent Israel or the Israeli point of view accurately - a matter of blind loyalty reducing Pakistanis from citizens to mere subjects of the state, and slaving their own decision-making to the will of others. One human rights organization called this "an attack on fundamental freedoms:"

The directive is a product of a shallow and fascistic mindset that leads to radicalization in the society. It is also an attempt at institutionalizing mass clampdown of fundamental rights such as freedom of expression and assembly. It is unfortunate and condemnable that critical thinking is being banned in universities, instead of being encouraged and inculcated among the youth of Pakistan.​

Yet maybe we could view the move in a different light, opening the room for more flexibility by the Pakistani government.

What if the Pakistani government decided to start the new year by announcing that it was normalizing relations with Israel, that the Palestinian Arabs demands were excessive, and that killing Jews for the sake of another Arab conquest should be considered a crime?

What feelings would that inspire in Pakistanis? Anger? Disbelief? Hope? Discuss.

Your long winded post is deprived of sensible talk, All Israel has to do is show some humanity, show some fairness and show some respect and than all will fall in place, you donot need to absolve yourself of the responsibility of being a fair state by mentioning a minority and blame them for all that is going on with Palistenians. So go fix it as per above suggestions and all will fix itself.

 

[karakoram]

I am pretty much satisfied with this :-D :-D

 

[karakoram]

I don't know what you are trying to say in the confused post but let me assure you the "Pakistanis" who can't take stand against indiscriminate killing of their own minorities including children even in anonymous cyber world and support equal rights for them as "sarkari Muslims" have no moral grounds for doing lip services for Palestinians. It's funny thing that people boost about role of PAF pilots in War against Israel but cry foul over her role in Kargil.

Mate why are you using term as many ahmadis use " sarkari muslim " any specific reason ?

 

[Sugarcane]

Mate why are you using term as many ahmadis use " sarkari muslim " any specific reason ?

It's simple, today i am considered Muslim in Pakistan because sarkar certified it and printed on my passport, tomorrow she can revoke if she don't agree with my views.

 

[karakoram]

It's simple, today i am considered Muslim in Pakistan because sarkar certified it and printed on my passport, tomorrow she can revoke if she don't agree with my views.

Mate Pakistan will never revoke your status regarding muslim as long as you believe in oneness of God and Muhammad saaw as last prophet. Btw we are Islamic republic of Pakistan and 97% of people are muslims. If we 97% has no problem with that provision then why do you have. Its my personal opinion.
(Btw you are amongst my best pdf members who got knowledge and skill of writing and arguing ) ab ye cherry nahin laga raha ye bhi personal opinion hai :-D :-D