Pakistan is the worst places in the world to be a woman -unicef 2011

[BLACKEAGLE]

Why?? Will that change the facts about Pakistan? India has issues but still it is ranked down the list.. Infanticide is the issue but even in gender ratio India (1.06 male(s)/female (2011 est.)) is better placed than Pakistan (1.08 male(s)/female (1998 est.)). Even in Saudi Aradia the Male/Female ratio is 1.17 male(s)/female (2010 est.). So tell me what's happening to your women.. Just because you are not reporting the facts does not mean infanticide is not there in your countries.

And Arab with all the money didn't fare all that well in the G 20 rankings that you start acting as torch holders for others.. You would not want to discuss Arab women rights in this thread now. right?

Hey, never compare yourselves with us plz. This is degrading.

 

[indian_jigar]

Hey, never compare you with us plz. This is degrading.

Degrading to us to be compared to Arabs who dont let women drive because their mullahs think that it causes natural disasters!

 

[SamantK]

I thought the thread read Pakistan and the report put the plight oF Pakistani females, this is not about India all the troll morons..

Get a life and start posting on topic, People are simply obsessed by India, they have to bring India no matter what..

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Degrading to us to be compared to Arabs who dont let women drive because their mullahs think that it causes natural disasters!

Maybe you should consider building toilets first. Those women you are talking about have Indian drivers.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Why is your gender ratio so messed up? 1.17 Male/Female.

Read about freedom of women in arab world.

The conversation: will the Arab revolutions be good for women? | Comment is free | The Guardian

Women in Arab World

Sahar Aziz: Does Radical Feminism Advance Arab Women's Rights?

Yes, true after reading all this who would like to compare their women rights with yours..

I don't have to read anything, I live here and I know the situation on the ground. Comparing your women situation and ours is like the comparison between human beings and non-human. You are dying to work for those people youare talking about. For the last time, don't act here like you're more civilized. We all know who you are. You can't hide the sun with your thumb.

 

[get straight]

What do you want to imply?? After rape, victims are showered with luxuries in Pakistan. Have some respect for the ladies mate.

poor mukhatar supporters, read this

KARACHI: A secret cable of 2006 has revealed some serious problems within the local community being instigated by Mukhtaran’s family in her home district of Mianwalli, WikiLeaks disclosed. The cable was written by US Ambassador Ryan C. Crocker and sent to Washington.

The cable by the US ambassador refers to a report by six credible Pakistani NGOs that are also well-known to the Embassy and have ongoing programs in Mukhtaran’s district.

These once-strong Mukhtaran supporters claim that, due to her international celebrity and significantly increased donor-provided resources, she and her family have become significant power brokers in their local community.

Her brother, Hazoor Bakhsh, has become involved in local politics on behalf of the family and is now accorded the same respect as traditional tribal elders. While the civil society community initially viewed Mukhtaran’s increased involvement in local affairs as a source for change, they are increasingly concerned that she and her family are simply replicating traditional abuses of power.

On June 21, Mukhtaran’s brother Hazoor Bakhsh convened a panchayat (traditional court) to review the case of a nine-year old girl who was raped by three local individuals. According to civil society activists, Mai had urged her brother to deal with the case through a panchayat rather than the formal legal system, arguing that the courts would not properly deal with the rapists.

At the panchayat, Bakhsh utilized his position and authority to order that the fifteen year old sister of one of the rapists, Faizan, be handed over in marriage to rape victim’s father, Rasool Bakhsh, as compensation. Rasool tortured Faizan who was rescued by her father and brother one day after her marriage.

Civil society groups claimed that during the same panchayat, Hazoor Bakhsh, issued an order acquiting five people from a neighboring village of the kidnap and rape of two sisters. Sources claim that despite promising the sister’s justice at the panchayat, Hazoor Bakhsh took a Rs60,000 bribe for their acquittal and ruled against the sisters — effectively finding them guilty of illicit sexual relations.

Mukhtaran’s has repeatedly denied her brother’s involvement in the panchayat claiming that the allegations were “politically motivated.” She has cited her brother’s omission from the police report filed on the panchayat as evidence of his innocence. Civil society sources, however, assert that Hazoor Bakhsh and Mukhtaran bribed local police to keep his name out of the report.

Mukhtaran Mai, brother involved in abusing power: WikiLeaks - GEO.tv

 

[somebozo]

most of this illetrecy is due to letting fedual trolls on the loose...

end fedualism = end backwardism

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

On one hand you are taking a defense behind the statements like you live there and other hand comparing others when you have not lived at those places. What are you? Women are treated as human is Arabia. That's a biggest joke to hear.. except a few places in Arabia their situation is pretty grim treated as some household items with no rights and no voice and for your stupid claimthat I am dying to work in Arabia, I need to ask you - Are you an astrologer or mind reader? Stop acting any more idiotic now. And stop giving lectures to others on the things that you are worst at..

Btw, since you are from Jordan --> Let's see women rights there

Jordan: Women’s Basic Rights for Dignity and Social Cohesion · Global Voices

Outrage over Jordan's draconian rape law

This month on Inside the Middle East - CNN


I think we have trolled enough on the topic dedicated to Pakistan issue.. So now let's get back to the topic.

Those pics are from your link, just look how our women and your women look like:


In Jordan:

In India:

NEVER COMPARE YOURSELVES WITH OTHERS!!!

 

[SamantK]

Those pics are from your link, just look how our women look like and your so called "women":

In India:

NEVER COMPARE YOURSELVES WITH OTHERS!!!

oh and you think we cannot post some?? grow up!

 

[jbond197]

Those pics are from your link, just look how our women look like and your so called "women":

I didn't find those pics from the links I posted what I found are these

But the main point is Jordan came up with a Law that if a girl even if minor is raped then the girl will be forced to marry the rapist.. Hmm that's some rights..

A 14-year-old girl was kidnapped and repeatedly raped, but her rapist went free when he agreed to marry his victim under Jordan's Penal Code Article 308.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/rights/outrage-over-jordans-draconian-rape-law

More --> Jordan Honour Killings
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/jordan/100323/honor-killings-jordan

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

I didn't find those pics from the links I posted what I found are these







But the main point is Jordan came up with a Law that if a girl even if minor is raped then the girl will be forced to marry the rapist.. Hmm that's some rights..

A 14-year-old girl was kidnapped and repeatedly raped, but her rapist went free when he agreed to marry his victim under Jordan's Penal Code Article 308.

Outrage over Jordan's draconian rape law

You can't take very few cases to support your claims, I can come up with hundreds of similar cases in USA, Europe...ect. But in the other hand:

Focus (1): India

As John-Thor Dahlburg points out, "in rural India, the centuries-old practice of female infanticide can still be considered a wise course of action." (Dahlburg, "Where killing baby girls 'is no big sin'," The Los Angeles Times [in The Toronto Star, February 28, 1994.]) According to census statistics, "From 972 females for every 1,000 males in 1901 ... the gender imbalance has tilted to 929 females per 1,000 males. ... In the nearly 300 poor hamlets of the Usilampatti area of Tamil Nadu [state], as many as 196 girls died under suspicious circumstances [in 1993] ... Some were fed dry, unhulled rice that punctured their windpipes, or were made to swallow poisonous powdered fertilizer. Others were smothered with a wet towel, strangled or allowed to starve to death." Dahlburg profiles one disturbing case from Tamil Nadu:

Lakshmi already had one daughter, so when she gave birth to a second girl, she killed her. For the three days of her second child's short life, Lakshmi admits, she refused to nurse her. To silence the infant's famished cries, the impoverished village woman squeezed the milky sap from an oleander shrub, mixed it with castor oil, and forced the poisonous potion down the newborn's throat. The baby bled from the nose, then died soon afterward. Female neighbors buried her in a small hole near Lakshmi's square thatched hut of sunbaked mud. They sympathized with Lakshmi, and in the same circumstances, some would probably have done what she did. For despite the risk of execution by hanging and about 16 months of a much-ballyhooed government scheme to assist families with daughters, in some hamlets of ... Tamil Nadu, murdering girls is still sometimes believed to be a wiser course than raising them. "A daughter is always liabilities. How can I bring up a second?" Lakshmi, 28, answered firmly when asked by a visitor how she could have taken her own child's life eight years ago. "Instead of her suffering the way I do, I thought it was better to get rid of her." (All quotes from Dahlburg, "Where killing baby girls 'is no big sin'.")
A study of Tamil Nadu by the Community Service Guild of Madras similarly found that "female infanticide is rampant" in the state, though only among Hindu (rather than Moslem or Christian) families. "Of the 1,250 families covered by the study, 740 had only one girl child and 249 agreed directly that they had done away with the unwanted girl child. More than 213 of the families had more than one male child whereas half the respondents had only one daughter." (Malavika Karlekar, "The girl child in India: does she have any rights?," Canadian Woman Studies, March 1995.)

The bias against females in India is related to the fact that "Sons are called upon to provide the income; they are the ones who do most of the work in the fields. In this way sons are looked to as a type of insurance. With this perspective, it becomes clearer that the high value given to males decreases the value given to females." (Marina Porras, "Female Infanticide and Foeticide".) The problem is also intimately tied to the institution of dowry, in which the family of a prospective bride must pay enormous sums of money to the family in which the woman will live after marriage. Though formally outlawed, the institution is still pervasive. "The combination of dowry and wedding expenses usually add up to more than a million rupees ([US] $35,000). In India the average civil servant earns about 100,000 rupees ($3,500) a year. Given these figures combined with the low status of women, it seems not so illogical that the poorer Indian families would want only male children." (Porras, "Female Infanticide and Foeticide".) Murders of women whose families are deemed to have paid insufficient dowry have become increasingly common, and receive separate case-study treatment on this site.

India is also the heartland of sex-selective abortion. Amniocentesis was introduced in 1974 "to ascertain birth defects in a sample population," but "was quickly appropriated by medical entrepreneurs. A spate of sex-selective abortions followed." (Karlekar, "The girl child in India.") Karlekar points out that "those women who undergo sex determination tests and abort on knowing that the foetus is female are actively taking a decision against equality and the right to life for girls. In many cases, of course, the women are not independent agents but merely victims of a dominant family ideology based on preference for male children."

Dahlburg notes that "In Jaipur, capital of the western state of Rajasthan, prenatal sex determination tests result in an estimated 3,500 abortions of female fetuses annually," according to a medical-college study. (Dahlburg, "Where killing baby girls 'is no big sin'.") Most strikingly, according to UNICEF, "A report from Bombay in 1984 on abortions after prenatal sex determination stated that 7,999 out of 8,000 of the aborted fetuses were females. Sex determination has become a lucrative business." (Zeng Yi et al., "Causes and Implications of the Recent Increase in the Reported Sex Ratio at Birth in China," Population and Development Review, 19: 2 [June 1993], p. 297.)

Deficits in nutrition and health-care also overwhelmingly target female children. Karlekar cites research

indicat[ing] a definite bias in feeding boys milk and milk products and eggs ... In Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh [states], it is usual for girls and women to eat less than men and boys and to have their meal after the men and boys had finished eating. Greater mobility outside the home provides boys with the opportunity to eat sweets and fruit from saved-up pocket money or from money given to buy articles for food consumption. In case of illness, it is usually boys who have preference in health care. ... More is spent on clothing for boys than for girls[,] which also affects morbidity. (Karlekar, "The girl child in India.")
Sunita Kishor reports "another disturbing finding," namely "that, despite the increased ability to command essential food and medical resources associated with development, female children [in India] do not improve their survival chances relative to male children with gains in development. Relatively high levels of agricultural development decrease the life chances of females while leaving males' life chances unaffected; urbanization increases the life chances of males more than females. ... Clearly, gender-based discrimination in the allocation of resources persists and even increases, even when availability of resources is not a constraint." (Kishor, "'May God Give Sons to All': Gender and Child Mortality in India," American Sociological Review, 58: 2 [April 1993], p. 262.)

Indian state governments have sometimes taken measures to diminish the slaughter of infant girls and abortions of female fetuses. "The leaders of Tamil Nadu are holding out a tempting carrot to couples in the state with one or two daughters and no sons: if one parent undergoes sterilization, the government will give the family [U.S.] \\$160 in aid per child. The money will be paid in instalments as the girl goes through school. She will also get a small gold ring and on her 20th birthday, a lump sum of $650 to serve as her dowry or defray the expenses of higher education. Four thousand families enrolled in the first year," with 6,000 to 8,000 expected to join annually (as of 1994) (Dahlburg, "Where killing baby girls 'is no big sin'.") Such programs have, however, barely begun to address the scale of the catastrophe.

Eventually, are you comparing these:

With those!!!

 

[Hyde]

old news / already posted and discussed