Pakistan Is the Enemy - More Xenophobia and Hate from Hitchens

[Developereo]

Fan following for Zaid Hamid? Yes. Smart and Funny? Hell no.

Hitchens is basically the opposite of Zaid Hamid. I believe it is the same for their respective fans too.

Hitchens is more like Nadeem Paracha.

Some people confuse opinions couched in needlessly obtuse language as intelligence or wit.

 

[muse]

Hitchens is basically the opposite of Zaid Hamid.

They both know what they are doing to the truth and they both don't care

Mullen's evidence, then, is one of those revelations that appears to necessitate action

You've gotta love that - and what "evidence" is that? Can Hitchens even know? And therefore "evidence against interest"

 

[53fd]

As I said in another thread, the US has very limited options but to a) continue with the drone strikes & pressurize them to take action against the Haqqani network, b) threaten Pakistan by cutting off aid to pressurize them to attack the Haqqanis. a) has failed, b) endangers America's influence over Pakistan, which would be a disaster in itself. The only real option for America is continuing with a), but as long as Pakistan holds its ground firm & catches its bluff, America will essentially be, as Einstein put it, resorting to "insanity", as it would be repeating the same behavior, & expecting a different output. But that's the only option that's really left. A direct military confrontation against Pakistan is not an option, as it defeats their aims of bringing stability over the region & maintaining America's influence in Afghanistan. But America's desperation in the region has led to its irrational policies & inconsistent actions, so they definitely need to correct that.

 

[muse]

An explanation of Hitchens expounding on the US position:

"When you have the law on your side, pound the law. When you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. When you have neither the law nor the facts going for you, pound the table."

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

This lie that Mullen is telling us is of the same stature as the one told by Collin Powell when he waved that little bottle in fron of the united nation adn used those fatal words "WMD" bacterial warfare contained inside---for every practical purpose Mullen has put up a reason for assault on pakistani soil which may end up in the deaths of countless pakistanis---.

But this time---a commanding general of the u s millitary will have to eat crow----. I don't know how he could be that stupid to say those things----there is only one other reason----he is retiring---if has no govt job lined up---he would be going to some private company----so possibly cementing his job for a later payoff---.

 

[hunter_hunted]

There are many loons out there doing like Robert Spencer, hired for brainwashing. giving shitty logic so no worries

 

[Solomon2]

There doesn't seem to be any specific refutation here of what Hitchens writes. Essentially, he claims Pakistan's acts elevates its violations of binding UNSC resolutions from 1373 (which mandates, as a sovereign obligation, rooting out terrorists and terror organizations) to 1368 (which vows that those discovered actively supporting the 9-11 perpetrators will be held accountable).

While as of last month Pakistan could be seen, at best, as neutral under 1373, the suggestion that 1368 applies would mean declaring much of the P.A. leadership to be outlaws. No wonder trips abroad were cancelled...

The W. Post article backtracks on this somewhat. As some of you are aware, I do want the U.S. to go to the U.N. and "spill the beans" about what its got on Pakistan. This, apparently, the U.S. is still unwilling to do. So why did Mullen launch his verbal attack on Pakistan in Congress last week? What he overtly accomplished was to anger Congress into putting some pretty harsh conditions on aid to Pakistan. What he may also have accomplished - given that this president has a fondness for secret action - is to set up Washington politically for another Abbottabad-like operation.

Sadly, the Pakistanis here don't realize just how thin their accusations against Washington are, or how exposed their own leadership is. I doubt retributive action will stop at the suspension of aid.

 

[DarK-LorD]

Atleast Hitchens doesn't wear a Red cap.

 

[muse]

There doesn't seem to be any specific refutation here of what Hitchens writes. Essentially, he claims Pakistan's acts elevates its violations of binding UNSC resolutions from 1373 (which mandates, as a sovereign obligation, rooting out terrorists and terror organizations) to 1368 (which vows that those discovered actively supporting the 9-11 perpetrators will be held accountable).

While as of last month Pakistan could be seen, at best, as neutral under 1373, the suggestion that 1368 applies would mean declaring much of the P.A. leadership to be outlaws. No wonder trips abroad were cancelled...

The W. Post article backtracks on this somewhat. As some of you are aware, I do want the U.S. to go to the U.N. and "spill the beans" about what its got on Pakistan. This, apparently, the U.S. is still unwilling to do. So why did Mullen launch his verbal attack on Pakistan in Congress last week? What he overtly accomplished was to anger Congress into putting some pretty harsh conditions on aid to Pakistan. What he may also have accomplished - given that this president has a fondness for secret action - is to set up Washington politically for another Abbottabad-like operation.

Sadly, the Pakistanis here don't realize just how thin their accusations against Washington are, or how exposed their own leadership is. I doubt retributive action will stop at the suspension of aid.

You will note that those expression of support that Pakistan does receive always relate to it's role against terrorism - coincidence?

 

[karan.1970]

Just 2 points..

1. I remember people getting banned for using modified headlines that reflected their POV.. Guess this right is only available to mods.. Kind of resonates with power corrupts.. etc etc.. Kind of ironical in the time, when USA is accused of abusing their superior military might
2. To whoever Mod made the changes to the title: You should maybe show the basic courtesy of using the famous red font, indicating that the title has been changed by the Mod on his whim and is not the original title..

 

[Solomon2]

You will note that those expression of support that Pakistan does receive always relate to it's role against terrorism - coincidence?

Which is what the U.S. says Pakistan has deceived There is a fundamental contradiction with relying on secret strategic strengths. Bismark would have picked it up right away. That is, in a balance of power international system - which is what Pakistani leaders expound, rather than sticking to international law - continued peace among nations relies on nations' rational assessment of each others strengths and weaknesses. Then, rational players will arrange their desires to match their capabilities and peace will be preserved.

Relying on "secret" weapons to achieve strategic goals can damage leaders' capacities to think rationally. So Napoleon III thought that just because France had a secret weapon - the rapid-fire Mitrailleuse - he would be assured of victory in case of war with Prussia. He was wrong, so wrong he ended up surrendering to the Germans after repeated defeats on the field of battle.

Ten years ago, Al Qaida thought that by assassinating Massoud the U.S. wouldn't be able to reach them. Had they truly analyzed the balance of forces instead of putting all their faith in hidden terror, do you think Al Qaida would still have made the decision to attack the U.S.?

I believe the P.A. leadership has fallen victim to the same fallacies. Woe to us all!

 

[Bl[i]tZ]

Every allegation, article or opinion in the Indian or the western press is portrayed as a "conspiracy against Pakistan not based on facts" (without thinking what it is that everybody is behind).

I wonder how could one believe that the whole world is conspiring against you.

 

[Icarus]

"Pakistan is aiding militants" Where's the proof ? "We just know it".

"Chocolate was presented to mankind as a gift by an advanced alien race" Where's the proof ? "I just know it".

To the common non-Pakistani former is common sense, the latter means I'm an idiot.
To a UFO enthusiast, hippy LSD junky, it's opposite.
Both are neither wrong nor right.

Moral of the story: If you don't have solid intel to back your bullshyte, your gonna have to swallow it along with your pride.

 

[Dr. NooB NinjA]

"Pakistan is aiding militants" Where's the proof ? "We just know it".

"Chocolate was presented to mankind as a gift by an advanced alien race" Where's the proof ? "I just know it".

To the common non-Pakistani former is common sense, the latter means I'm an idiot.
To a UFO enthusiast, hippy LSD junky, it's opposite.
Both are neither wrong nor right.

Moral of the story: If you don't have solid intel to back your bullshyte, your gonna have to swallow it along with your pride.

Super nice analogy ..!! But still IMHO former makes more sense... But then i am a commom non-pakistani as well...!!!

 

[Icarus]

Super nice analogy ..!! But still IMHO former makes more sense... But then i am a commom non-pakistani as well...!!!

Guess my analogy doesn't work with weed junkies!
lol