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US Defence Weekly website says in its report “Pakistan Re-equips Squadron With AEW&C Planes” that China delivered in late February the last of the four ZDK-03 Karakorum Eagle AEW&C planes ordered by Pakistan.

The head of Pakistan’s Air Force (PAF), Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafiq Butt, and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif attended the ceremony on the commissioning of the aircraft.

According to the website, former Air Commodore Kaiser said that the Pakistani military bought the four Chinese AEW&C planes reluctantly as it was a transaction done “under pressure of [then President] Gen. Musharraf, as a political expedient [Chinese appeasement], and not because of any reasons of technical superiority.”

However, he said “[T]he performance of the Eagle has turned out to be surprisingly good, which takes some sting out of the initial criticism.”

Author’s note: China developed t heZDK-03 for export and the KJ-500 for its own use. The latter is certainly much better than the former as it is a later version and uses a better transport aircraft, the Y-9 instead of the Y-8 as a platform. The Y-9’s payload of 25,000 kg is much bigger than the Y-8’s 20,000 kg.

The following is the full text of Defence Weekly website’s report:

Pakistan Re-equips Squadron With AEW&C Planes
Pakistan’s Air Force (PAF) Thursday stood up its unit of Chinese Karakorum Eagle AEW&C aircraft in a ceremony attended by the head of the PAF, Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafiq Butt, and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.

Though the exact location of the ceremony was not given, it is believed to have been held at PAF Base Masroor in Karachi as the prime minister was known to have been in the city that day.

Brian Cloughley, an analyst and former Australian defence attaché to Islamabad, said AEW&C “is very good news for the PAF – and for Pakistan” because it “will dramatically improve early warning capabilities which up until now have been comparatively rudimentary.”

The ZDK-03 Karakorum Eagle is a dish-based AEW&C system mounted on a Shaanxi Y-8F600 aircraft. Though never confirmed, it has been speculated that the dish houses an AESA antenna.

Four were ordered in 2008 with the first delivered in 2010.

Air Commodore Syed Muhammad Ali, a spokesman for the Air Force, confirmed all Karakorum Eagle aircraft on order have now been delivered, but could not say if more would be ordered from China.

The aircraft join No.4 Squadron, which was first established in 1959 with Bristol Freighter transports and Grumman HU-16 Albatross amphibians. The amphibians were used for maritime reconnaissance, search and rescue, and casualty evacuation alongside Sikorsky H-19D helicopters. The HU-16s were retired in 1968 and the H-19Ds in 1969.

The unit was then “number-plated” until officially re-equipped with the Karakorum Eagle.

The four Karakorum Eagle AEW&C aircraft join the surviving three Saab Erieye AEW&C aircraft ordered in 2005 and delivered from 2009. One of the four Erieye aircraft was destroyed in a terrorist attack on Kamra Air Base in August 2012.

That the Air Force operates two types of AEW&C aircraft for the same mission has been much commented on.

Analyst Usman Shabbir of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank says the Karakorum Eagle’s mission is “asically the same job as Erieye but based in southern sector.

“To cover all the length of Pakistan we needed additional AEW&C aircraft and ZDK-03 was the answer due to political and financial considerations,” he said.

Former Air Commodore Kaiser Tufail says the PAF was not keen on their purchase.

“The [Karakorum] Eagle was purchased rather reluctantly, under pressure of [then President] Gen. Musharraf, as a political expedient [Chinese appeasement], and not because of any reasons of technical superiority,” he said. “It would have been more cost effective to manage a single type than these two vastly different ones.”

Though he now believes attitudes have changed.

“Having said that, the performance of the Eagle has turned out to be surprisingly good, which takes some sting out of the initial criticism,” he said.

Tufail says an absence of news of the fourth aircraft being delivered may mean it is undergoing installation of Link 16 datalink equipment to enable it to communicate with all of the PAF’s aircraft, particularly its F-16s, and not just the JF-17 Thunders.
To date the Erieye AEW&C aircraft have been able to communicate with the Western aircraft in service such as the F-16, and the Karakorum Eagle with the Chinese aircraft such as the Sino-Pak JF-17, and perhaps the F-7PG.

Cloughley does not think this has changed.

“It’s unlikely that the systems will complement those of the US, but cooperation with China is more important for Pakistan,” he said.

PAF officials have previously told Defence News that this was impractical and would change.

Though perhaps not as technologically advanced as the Swedish Erieye, according to Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank, the two types of AEW&C aircraft have worked very well together with the installation of Link 16 compatible equipment throughout the PAF’s aircraft fleet.

Combined, they have effectively covered the country and much of Pakistan’s maritime area of interest.

Pakistan is sort-of happy with Chinese aircraft, bought under pressure from China | China Daily Mail
 
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It is agreed that Musharraf pressured then Air Chief Mushaf Mir to make dealings with China, not only for aerial assets but also SAM systems. However that was way back in 2002-4, since then, once PAF accepted that they'll have Chinese AWACs, they went about improving it for their own specifications. Originally, i believe PAF wanted 6 SAAB ERIEYE AWACs as total amount of AWACs, but they reduced that order to 4 because they could get 4 Chinese ZDK-03 in the price of 2 SAAB ERIEYE. So all in all it was good move to have 8 units. ZDK-03 was then considerably improved.
 
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Were PAF demanding anything superior than this? What were their initial expectations?
 
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ZDK-03 like JF-17 is not the top of the line. Over the years both China and Pakistan can improve the performance. At least we have AEW&C platform now and we should also try to buy KJ-500 from China.
 
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ZDK-03 like JF-17 is not the top of the line. Over the years both China and Pakistan can improve the performance. At least we have AEW&C platform now and we should also try to buy KJ-500 from China.


According to the website, former Air Commodore Kaiser said that the Pakistani military bought the four Chinese AEW&C planes reluctantly as it was a transaction done “under pressure of [then President] Gen. Musharraf, as a political expedient [Chinese appeasement], and not because of any reasons of technical superiority.”
 
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According to the website, former Air Commodore Kaiser said that the Pakistani military bought the four Chinese AEW&C planes reluctantly as it was a transaction done “under pressure of [then President] Gen. Musharraf, as a political expedient [Chinese appeasement], and not because of any reasons of technical superiority.”

"Though he now believes attitudes have changed.

“Having said that, the performance of the Eagle has turned out to be surprisingly good, which takes some sting out of the initial criticism,” he said."

Did you miss this part? The ZDK-03 is one of the better platforms out there, not being an expert, you can call one if you like, but looking at how Chinese AEW has developed from balanced beam KJ-200 to the new round top KJ-500. I would say the round top is superior. Of the top of my head, I have heard 360 coverage.

The Y-8 platform can also carry more and stay in the air longer than most others of its class.

You can prove me wrong if you like.


Interesting that you only selectively quote an article. No agenda there.

The fourth one is also inducted by PAF, this is a Pakistan defence forum, if one doesn't know anything, one should know that.
 
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This is the kind of news I come here for. No technical evaluation- buy plane to please neighbor and then toss a coin- might be good, might not be good. You guys are just hilarious man! :lol::lol:
 
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Maybe PAF and NAVY would add a follow up order?

“Having said that, the performance of the Eagle has turned out to be surprisingly good, which takes some sting out of the initial criticism,” he said.

Tufail says an absence of news of the fourth aircraft being delivered may mean it is undergoing installation of Link 16 datalink equipment to enable it to communicate with all of the PAF’s aircraft, particularly its F-16s, and not just the JF-17 Thunders.


This is the kind of news I come here for. No technical evaluation- buy plane to please neighbor and then toss a coin- might be good, might not be good. You guys are just hilarious man! :lol::lol:

We may be hilarious NOT idiot like you :).

you need to read the entire news before commenting.

It is better to show as if it was based on tossing coins ;) playing low is better than playing all cards at a time
 
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