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Pakistan is on the edge. Should India be worried?

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That was a clan war, family dispute.. doubt it had a racial component.

I have witnessed it otherwise. The racial component of a conflict and barbarism that it aspires cannot be brushed aside.
 
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I don't think that India will intervene. I am worried about human rights issues here. Citizens are like insects and authorities are stronger than constitution. Many Pakistanis who left Pakistan earlier are right. This country doesn't give basic rights to it's own citizens. I think they will kill Imran khan and nation will do nothing. It all started from people. From low level to higher level, it's the people who are corrupt and therefore they like this jungle system. All educated and broad minded people who believed in basic rights and democracy has already left Pakistan or are in the process.

I don't want to live in Pakistan now. I am here because i am doing social work. I have seen this country go downhill. There is no comeback from here. This corrupt elite can't be touched. Problem is they are corrupt elite with weapons that they amassed from our money.

There is no hope. Imran khan did one right thing and that he showed the true face of many people. He exposed this system. There is no basic right and united states and other countries are right about human rights violation. Many people died. We have seen head shots. I can't even compare this to Indian Kashmir situation. India do operations just to eliminate armed groups. Here they killed unarmed people. Migrating to Pakistan and consider this a home for Muslims and remain free here was a mistake. There is no freedom. They have a license that they can destroy any province, kill any politician, kill any civilian, i mean no freedom of speech as well. There is no hope. only darkness.
 
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I don't think that India will intervene. I am worried about human rights issues here. Citizens are like insects and authorities are stronger than constitution. Many Pakistanis who left Pakistan earlier are right. This country doesn't give basic rights to it's own citizens. I think they will kill Imran khan and nation will do nothing. It all started from people. From low level to higher level, it's the people who are corrupt and therefore they like this jungle system. All educated and broad minded people who believed in basic rights and democracy has already left Pakistan or are in the process.

I don't want to live in Pakistan now. I am here because i am doing social work. I have seen this country go downhill. There is no comeback from here. This corrupt elite can't be touched. Problem is they are corrupt elite with weapons that they amassed from our money.

There is no hope. Imran khan did one right thing and that he showed the true face of many people. He exposed this system. There is no basic right and united states and other countries are right about human rights violation. Many people died. We have seen head shots. I can't even compare this to Indian Kashmir situation. India do operations just to eliminate armed groups. Here they killed unarmed people. Migrating to Pakistan and consider this a home for Muslims and remain free here was a mistake. There is no freedom. They have a license that they can destroy any province, kill any politician, kill any civilian, i mean no freedom of speech as well. There is no hope. only darkness.
Only dem Pathans will fight back. Rest of Pakistan is too docile.
 
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Only dem Pathans will fight back. Rest of Pakistan is too docile.
It's only one force that hijacked Pakistan since independence. Neither they accepted migrating people which are known as muhajirs nor they accepted Balochi and pathan. Their only brothers is sindhis. Punjab is the reason of east pakistan separation. Punjab is the reason of destruction in Baluchistan. All major businesses are under their control. Jobs, money, resources, everything goes to Punjab directly.
 
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It's only one force that hijacked Pakistan since independence. Neither they accepted migrating people which are known as muhajirs nor they accepted Balochi and pathan. Their only brothers is sindhis. Punjab is the reason of east pakistan separation. Punjab is the reason of destruction in Baluchistan. All major businesses are under their control. Jobs, money, resources, everything goes to Punjab directly.
What is your ethnicity?

Are you saying that all major businesses are owned by Punjabi? Can you provide any source?
 
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What happens to Imran Khan will be a non event to the rest of the world, including India.

IF IK regains power, it will have to be with military tacit support (=backing off). He can claim democracy won.

If IK loses, PMLN/PDM already in power, and with military backing - can claim democracy won, because they won the motion for no-confidemce again IK.

There is no scenario where the pakistani military loses its political clout and domination.

It is only the economy that suffers and so the general public suffer even more. When that goes on for a while, I suspect the Pakistani military will once again try to resume cross border terrorism in Kashmir and India should just be prepared for stopping that.

Noooooo

what happens to Imran, determines the balance of global trade
it determines if American imperialism will stay or not
it determines who will control the energy markets.
it determines if at all USA will counter China.
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@iamnobody Come to Karachi and see it by yourself. It's not only Karachi. Every other province is sick and tired of these people. They are mostly illiterate but gets government jobs and sensitive jobs as well. Punjab always gets more jobs and lion's share from resources. They are doing it after Quaid death. They will destroy this country. these matric pass has ruined balochistan, NWFP.
 
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@iamnobody Come to Karachi and see it by yourself. It's not only Karachi. Every other province is sick and tired of these people. They are mostly illiterate but gets government jobs and sensitive jobs as well. Punjab always gets more jobs and lion's share from resources. They are doing it after Quaid death. They will destroy this country. these matric pass has ruined balochistan, NWFP.
If other ethnicities are tired of the dominant ethnicity exploiting them, why don't you revolt?

Punjus don't have the brains or brawn of the British.
 
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Pakistan's failure is a great example for India.
We should hold our constitution highest not religion.
You guys have nothing to do with Islam, you are street mob who impose Islamic ideas on others but you don't yourself follow.
You watch ****, consume tobacco etc in private but Islamic champion when you will impose it on others. Where is your brotherhood when you do corruption?
India should best take notes.
 
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@iamnobody Come to Karachi and see it by yourself. It's not only Karachi. Every other province is sick and tired of these people. They are mostly illiterate but gets government jobs and sensitive jobs as well. Punjab always gets more jobs and lion's share from resources. They are doing it after Quaid death. They will destroy this country. these matric pass has ruined balochistan, NWFP.
Isn't Punjab also 52% of Pakistan's population?
 
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If other ethnicities are tired of the dominant ethnicity exploiting them, why don't you revolt?

Punjus don't have the brains or brawn of the British.
We love this country but one province has made lives hell in Pakistan. What we can do is to leave Pakistan. Our dream of living in a country where we are free is ended.. We can see where Pakistan is heading. We can either die in this system or leave because many of us are extremely poor, thanks to treatment of Punjabi with other provinces. Karachi was once famous for business because Muhajirs used to run Karachi. Now look at Karachi. Even Roads are broken.
 
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Pakistan is on the edge. Should India be worried?​


Pakistan's former prime minister Imran Khan (R) addresses his supporters during an anti-government march towards capital Islamabad, demanding early elections, in Gujranwala on November 1, 2022's former prime minister Imran Khan (R) addresses his supporters during an anti-government march towards capital Islamabad, demanding early elections, in Gujranwala on November 1, 2022
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The arrest of the former prime minister Imran Khan on charges of corruption sparked violent clashes
Soutik Biswas

By Soutik Biswas

During a trip to India many years back, a leading US-based specialist on South Asia had a conversation with a local analyst which he says still resonates with him.

"If Pakistan fails, we need to make sure it doesn't take us down with it," the expert told Michael Kugelman, director of the South Asia Institute at the Wilson Centre think tank in Washington.

In recent weeks, Pakistan has been convulsed by political and economic crises. The arrest of former prime minister Imran Khan on charges of corruption sparked violent clashes across the country, which is also reeling from high inflation and dismal growth, and in danger of defaulting. Mr Khan's escalating confrontation with the army - a prominent player in Pakistani politics - which the ousted leader has even charged with trying to murder him.

"When your rival neighbour, a nation that's volatile even as the best of times, is experiencing severe political stress, bouts of large-scale unrest, and especially concerns about the cohesiveness with the army leadership, then you should be worried," Mr Kugelman says.

"It's not that Pakistan's churn could spill over into India, but more so that the churn could distract Pakistan from keeping control over things that could pose grave risks to India - like India-focussed militants."

An Indian soldier on the de-facto India-Pakistan border - a 2021 truce has kept things under control
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An Indian soldier on the de-facto India-Pakistan border - a 2021 truce has kept things under control

The countries have fought three wars since they became independent nations in 1947. All but one were over Kashmir. In 2019, India launched strikes in Pakistani territory following a militant attack on Indian troops in Kashmir. After the attacks, the two countries had come "close" to a nuclear war, former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo claimed in his recent memoir. But a new border truce concluded in 2021 has kept things under control.

The past offers some clues. The turmoil in Pakistan in 1971 led to a bloody subcontinental war and the creation of Bangladesh. In 2008, the movement against Pervez Musharraf's military rule came to an end and the leader suffered defeat at the polls, months later militants linked to Pakistan attacked India's western city of Mumbai.

But even going by recent history, the ongoing crisis is more worrying for India, says Husain Haqqani, a former Pakistani ambassador and a scholar at the Hudson Institute in Washington DC, and the Anwar Gargash Diplomatic Academy in Abu Dhabi. "The political chaos is happening at a time when Pakistan is facing its worst possible economic crisis and the establishment appears to be weaker and divided from within," he says.

Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party activists and supporters of former Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan, clash with police during a protest against the arrest of their leader in Peshawar on May 10, 2023's Prime Minister Imran Khan, clash with police during a protest against the arrest of their leader in Peshawar on May 10, 2023
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Mr Khan's supporters have clashed with the police across the country

Experts like Mr Kugelman rule out two extreme scenarios: the first is Pakistan reaching out to India to explore reconciliation, though "it is another matter that India wouldn't be interested". And the second is Pakistan encouraging India-focussed militants to stage an attack across the border. "The last thing Pakistan can afford at this point is another conflict, or even a fresh crisis with India," Mr Kugelman says.

But what should worry New Delhi is a situation that falls between the two extremes, say experts. That is one in "which Pakistan, distracted and overwhelmed by internal issues, lacks the bandwidth to keep a lid on any type of cross-border risk", says Mr Kugelman.

Avinash Paliwal, who teaches politics and international studies at SOAS University of London, echoes a similar sentiment. He says the twin crises in Pakistan can hurt the ceasefire on the border.

"Either as a distraction, or to reassert control in the army by signalling strength on Kashmir, the Pakistani army chief has few reasons to encourage cross-border activism. This risk stands despite resource limitations, because the guarantor of the ceasefire in Pakistan is severely embattled," says Mr Paliwal.

"In itself, a ceasefire breakdown is not a strategic threat to India, but in combination with the ongoing military standoff with China, it becomes more dangerous." (Relations between India and China have been worsening. The neighbours have long running territorial disputes along their disputed land border.)


Activists of Jamiat-ul-Ulama-i-Islam and supporters of the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) chant slogans as they leave for a rally held in Islamabad to protest against the judiciary's alleged undue facilitation to former Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan, in Peshawar on May 15, 2023.'s alleged undue facilitation to former Pakistan's Prime Minister Imran Khan, in Peshawar on May 15, 2023.


A coalition of parties has blamed former prime minister Khan for poor governance and mismanagement of the economy

Many believe India needs to shake off its "obsession" with Pakistan, and not be overly worried by the crisis overwhelming the struggling neighbour. There also appears to be a sense among many Indians of the crisis "serving Pakistan right", bordering on schadenfreude or the pleasure one feels from the someone's else's misfortune. After all, they say, India's economy is 10 times bigger than Pakistan - and the troubled neighbour's economy is smaller than Maharashtra, India's richest state.

Such a reaction is "perfectly predictable", says Mr Kugelman. "Nations want to see rivals squirm, and especially when those rivals have sponsored cross-border attacks and provoked wars against them. There is also a special satisfaction in India derived from watching the struggles of the Pakistani military, after many years of watching that military sponsoring terrorists that target India."

"But if India is taking pleasure in all this while also being complacent about the dangers emanating from Pakistan, then that's dangerous as well," says Mr Kugelman.

It is true, as Mr Haqqani says, that it is not "in Indian interests to have a nuclear-armed neighbour in the throes of economic instability and political chaos". However, commentators like Sharat Sabharwal, a former Indian high commissioner to Pakistan, do not believe that "Pakistan's collapse is imminent; and instead it is likely to continue its messy journey as before." Also, as Mr Paliwal says, Pakistan's case "makes a good case against ideological and religious extremes" and the need to reign in religious nationalism.

With Pakistan closer to the edge, what should India do? "Perhaps the best case scenario in the circumstances would be for the status quo in the currently minimal bilateral relationship to continue and the ceasefire on the Line of Control [the de facto border] holds," notes TCA Raghavan, a former Indian high commissioner to Pakistan.

Others like Mr Haqqani believe India is adopting a "wait and watch approach", keeping a close eye on the border. The key is not to be caught unprepared. "India still needs to be careful not to let its guard down," says Mr Kugelman.


We are worried, now take a hike.
 
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Isn't Punjab also 52% of Pakistan's population?
Most seats in Punjab so that they can win election again and again. 80% establishment is from punjab. This country has been hijacked long time ago. They can still run this country by giving proper respect to other provinces and their people but they only want to rule alone. They will eat everything. Their mouth is too big. They are officers in every company, branch. Even in CPEC, they were officers. Balochis doing shoe polish while punjabi becomes officer. There is a reason for everything. CPEC hahaha nice trap by Chinese.
 
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