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Pakistan Is Losing Too Many Soldiers In Counter Terrorism Operations

This article clearly encapsulates the bs mil strategy “jis mulk kee maaen apnay bachoon ko shahadat key lia khoshe say daytee hain, voh mulk kabhee nahee haarey ga”. Army generals need to get off their manicured lawns, and ac’d mercedeses and get to work. I realize insurgencies are difficult to put down but there are only two ways. Brutal crushing or political rapprochement. This slow drips and drabs of dying NCOs is not on. Officer to soldier ratio of death is nothing to gloat about either.
 
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Agreed. We are taking too many casualties.

Drone surveillance and drone strikes on terrorists will be the best deterrent. However the main thing persists, MRAPs We need those MRAPs pronto. That will lessen the casualties massively. Increase in surveillance and IBOs will deplete the terrorists strength.

Or we could send SSG teams into Afghanistan and hunt those rats down without anyone knowing.

We noticed it moment FC's were being hit left and right. Bajwa tried to patch it up by putting Army at border instead of FC. We all know that was only a band aid.
This article clearly encapsulates the bs mil strategy “jis mulk kee maaen apnay bachoon ko shahadat key lia khoshe say daytee hain, voh mulk kabhee nahee haarey ga”. Army generals need to get off their manicured lawns, and ac’d mercedeses and get to work. I realize insurgencies are difficult to put down but there are only two ways. Brutal crushing or political rapprochement. This slow drips and drabs of dying NCOs is not on. Officer to soldier ratio of death is nothing to gloat about either.

We gotta give credit where credit is due. Look at India and their handling of their insurgencies. There's a reason why Khalistan movement got smacked down.
It's because we're trying to avoid collateral damage



We take the hard route which no one appreciates

What is hard route?
Wasn't like that in Raheel Sharif times.
Soldiers morale is down and political insults by Patwaris taking its toll.
Soldiers should rather save their lives than dying for a thankless nation,who thinks that paying them wages is equal to buying their lives.

Only time this was seriously confronted was when Zarb-e-Arb took place.
I get your point, two ambushes are never exactly the same but the ones we see in FATA and Balochistan are mostly without an IED, not saying that it shouldn't be protected against. See, the front vehicle should always have added protection in combat zone, we have not learnt this lesson in 2 decades.

The 'drive-through' tactic was used by the US forces in Afghanistan and they were successful in controlling their casualty numbers.

Driving through an ambush is still the best bet our troops have because quite honestly, staying in the kill-zone, they perform very poorly. US Marines came up with a whole guide-book about dealing with the ambushes in Iraq (I'll try to find it online), and they brought back some Vietnam era tactics, which was about mounting bigger guns on the front vehicles and in case of disabled vehicles, suppressive fire can be massive. Smoke grenades were also part of the tactics and armour of the vehicles had to be used to take cover (which our troops can't do).

Bottomline is, if you have seen a front vehicle being hit by an IED, the vehicles at the back can at least exit the kill zone and provide suppressive fire with their big guns. Driving through is mostly used because exiting the kill-zone is your first priority in mountainous areas.

Good point
 
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Pakistan Is Losing Too Many Soldiers In Counter Terrorism Operations

As I said to Gen Kayani and several other officers, far from taking pride in the courage of our men, I’d very concerned about why we are losing so many young officers and men.
Ejaz Haider
by Ejaz Haider

October 22, 2021

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Pakistan Is Losing Too Many Soldiers In Counter Terrorism Operations
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After a drop in casualty rates in the ongoing counterterrorism operations, this year has again witnessed a spike. The frequency of attacks has increased as have the numbers of security forces personnel (including police and paramilitary troops) killed and injured by terrorist groups ambushing patrol parties and other vehicular movement.

The Inter-Services Public Relations press notifications have become a near-daily occurrence. Here, I give two examples of those notifications that also show what modi operandi the groups are using to target security forces personnel:

“Terrorists fire-raid security forces post in District Kech, Balochistan. Troops responded promptly. During fire exchange, Sepoy X embraced shahadat. Area search in progress to hunt down perpetrators of the incident.”

“Security forces along with police conducted cordon and search operation late last night. During operation, an IED exploded in Dabrai, Bajaur District. Resultantly, 2 FC soldiers… and 2 police constables… embraced shahadat. Area clearance being carried out to eliminate any terrorists found in the area.”

There are many other examples but these should suffice. In fact, the press notifications raise a number of questions with reference to how operations are being conducted. According to data compiled by South Asian Terrorism Portal, in 2021 until October (the ongoing month), there have been 207 incidents resulting in the killing of 177 civilians, 158 security personnel (this includes police/paramilitary) and 185 terrorists. By all benchmarks, this is a very high casualty rate for friendly forces.

But before I get to why we should take this very seriously and how we can bring the casualty rate down, let me go back to 2010. During a briefing by General Ashfaq Perez Kayani, which was preceded by a presentation by a Brigadier, a slide presented figures on the sacrifices of our soldiers and with a lot of pride showed that our officer-to-jawan kill ratio is 1:8 — i.e., for every eight soldiers in combat, we are losing one officer. The explanation: our officers lead from the front.

The statistics left me deeply disturbed. As I said to Gen Kayani and several other officers, far from taking pride in the courage of our men, I’d very concerned about why we are losing so many young officers and men. When someone enlists, he knows that when the time comes he must be ready to kill, or get killed. There is no clean battle. Incoming fire has a nasty habit of finding its target. Yet, that’s precisely what professional armies train for, developing the capability to inflict maximum damage on the enemy while minimising own losses in men and material.

This is the essence of what US General George Patton is reported to have said: “No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.” Patton was, of course, talking about a different time and a different war. Even so, his message remains constant for all types of war, including the irregular war we are still fighting, with no defined front and no rear, no clear zones of war and peace.

The enemy in this war is difficult to identify. He relies on kinship and ideological bonds, rarely offers a concentrated target, thereby blunting the advantage of a superior force, and can move from the sanctuary to the preparation area to the operational area with relative ease, both in terms of time and space. He has the element of surprise on his side. He can hunker down and wait for the opportunity. He can snipe at targets, use IEDs, raid isolated posts, and mount terror attacks in the cities. In effect, break the norms of fighting in order to gain an asymmetric advantage. The violence he generates is not great but consistent and incremental and creates a psychological effect to erode the resolve, if not of the army, then that of the civilian population.

Pakistan won this war at a great price. Along the way security forces learnt from their mistakes. It was long-drawn and painful but it worked. Pakistan won where, across the border to the west in Afghanistan, a large coalition of the most modern militaries failed. But it seems that we have let our guard down. Many officers and men who fought those battles and survived have retired. Is the institutional memory of lessons learnt being lost?

Pakistan has known and recorded the evolving situation for nearly two years now: disparate TTP groups reorganising and banding together; four Baloch terrorist organisations coming together to mount coordinated attacks; Islamic State-Khorasan cadres targeting security forces and Shia Pakistanis. Pakistan has also known, going by the dossiers made public by the government, that many of these elements are being supported and funded by India’s intelligence agencies. According to stories in the Indian media in 2017, the National Security Council Secretariat, headed by Ajit Doval, received a staggering 311% increase in funds. Some analysts have argued that this could be “to tackle issues at the intersection of cybersecurity and nuclear weapon delivery systems”, but that seems to be a stretch going by the traditional role of the National Security Council Secretariat.

Be that as it may, Pakistan has to be prepared, by its own reckoning, against Indian designs to foment trouble in its tribal districts as well as Balochistan. Simply referring to this as India’s perfidy will not do.

So, what should Pakistan do?

First, the operations and the losses must immediately be studied. Are we faltering on the training required for fighting this kind of war; is the enemy doing something different from what it was doing before and for which security forces developed countermeasures? What kind of organisational innovations are needed to tackle the evolving situation? Are the security forces employing new technologies to improve their intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance capabilities? The army has a lot of experience now in tackling IEDs; are those techniques being fully employed? Is there enough field and strategic intelligence on terrain, enemy resources, lines of communication, recruitment methods, training camps, concentration areas?

These questions are important. But even more important is whether military and other leaders are concerned about mounting casualty rate. Clearly, to address the issue would first require a deep concern about the safety and effectiveness of troops and policemen.

Pakistan has come a long way from the time it began fighting this war. It is decidedly in a much better position now than it was when this war began. As I noted above, lessons have been learnt and incorporated into training and manuals. The army also has better equipment, including drones both combat and surveillance. Are troops deployed in sensitive, vulnerable areas and points being provided the advantage of real-time ISR? There’s also a fence now. The ISPR calls some of these attacks fire raids: are these ambushes, long-distance sniping, shooting? Do patrol parties or other vehicular movement have the benefit of ISR? if not, why not? Are these attacks happening from the Afghanistan soil or do we have terrorists hiding in the population east of the border?

In this kind of war, as in any kind of war, intelligence is crucial. Is there effective coordination among intelligence agencies on the one hand and the fighting troops and agencies on the other?

There are many questions but very few answers. My own sense from having seen many operations is that the groups are not doing anything different. The Taliban, both in Afghanistan and here, have relied on ambushes, hit-and-run tactics, suicide bombings, IEDs. Where they can amass more men and firepower, they also go for flanking, encirclement and direct-fire engagement (what ISPR calls fire raids). Officers who have participated in previous operations also know that groups use generally the same spots and lines of communication for such attacks. It should not be too hard to prevent such attacks. The concerned officials must make clear how they are dealing with the situation and what data they are gathering. Putting out statistics and calling the fallen shaheeds doesn’t really cut and certainly doesn’t tell us what’s going on. It’s time to get some answers.




Conscript the sons of Generals into the army foot soldiers and send them to the front lines and watch the casualties drop down like a stone.
 
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When they deal with a terrorist who has loaded weapon, there is no point to feel mercy and no question of collateral damage. Just do your job. This is American 101 ... only deals with lead, no prisoner no mercy. All terrorist has an innocent face and made up a reason to raise the arm against the state ... only state law prevail nothing else.
 
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The soldiers are facing these terrorists that attack them when they are vulnerable. This clearly shows the failure of ISI and Military Intelligence in stopping these incident even before they happen by surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting these subversive groups and individuals. With Talibans now in power in Afghanistan hopefully ISI will now also concentrate in dismantling foreign supported terrorist groups in Pakistan.
 
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We noticed it moment FC's were being hit left and right. Bajwa tried to patch it up by putting Army at border instead of FC. We all know that was only a band aid.


We gotta give credit where credit is due. Look at India and their handling of their insurgencies. There's a reason why Khalistan movement got smacked down.


What is hard route?


Only time this was seriously confronted was when Zarb-e-Arb took place.


Good point
FC getting hit mostly happened in Balochistan. The terrain of Balochistan doesnt exactly help, however having little drone coverage and MRAPs doesnt help either. Army being deployed was a good thing. Army is more trained and kick *** hard. It worked when they sent them into Balochistan alongside SSG. I say we should hold negotiations with our neighbours (ir + afg) to see if we can cut down on said terrorism. If they are lacking in COIN ops, then we should do it ourselves. Cross border SSG strikes against terrorists. It will send fear into the hearts of the terrorists when they realise SSG is hunting them down with no remorse.
 
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There is no clean battle. Incoming fire has a nasty habit of finding its target. Yet, that’s precisely what professional armies train for, developing the capability to inflict maximum damage on the enemy while minimising own losses in men and material.


This here is what I have been saying and noting with great concern for quite some time as well. There is a problem of systemic nature which amateurs like me are unable to put our fingers on. Is it due to improper training, lack of protective gear, easy availability of ammunition to hostiles that can dilute or nullify the impact of the protection our troops have (armor-piercing bullets), a combination of all?
 
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One simply cannot win against guerrilla tactics from a position of strength. You have to let your guard down intentionally to lure them into the fight.
 
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General bajwa has hurt institution of Pakistan army in more ways than one

Ejaz Haider has noticed that and has written an article about that

Others would realize it too

Make no mistake. Bajwa has made blunders. In fact, blunders which are unforgivable in my opinion. Nevertheless, if we have to choose between alternatives, he still come on top easily.
 
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The soldiers are facing these terrorists that attack them when they are vulnerable. This clearly shows the failure of ISI and Military Intelligence in stopping these incident even before they happen by surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting these subversive groups and individuals. With Talibans now in power in Afghanistan hopefully ISI will now also concentrate in dismantling foreign supported terrorist groups in Pakistan.
Infiltration is one way of going about doing this. Signals intelligence in my humble view is the most important. What are we doing in terms of gathering usable signals intelligence? The militants are even using walkie-talkies. I imagine they also employ satellite phones, with no idea about the internet connectivity in tribal districts and far-flung regions of Balochistan. They could be using VoIP-based apps to coordinate and relay information up and down their command structure. What are we doing with this treasure trove of signals intelligence? it could lead us straight to the doors of the hostiles. That is what Indians do in IoJK.
General bajwa has hurt institution of Pakistan army in more ways than one

Ejaz Haider has noticed that and has written an article about that

Others would realize it too

Maybe history would remember this chap as Yahya 2.0. A decade worth of blood and toil laid to waste by a political general and he is not done yet damaging the country and its armed forces. Political generals are poison for the professional competence of the institution of the army. When will we as people and our armed forces recognize this? No institution can multitask. Lack of focus on core competencies has a price and that price is paid in blood when these institutions are of national security.
 
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FC getting hit mostly happened in Balochistan. The terrain of Balochistan doesnt exactly help, however having little drone coverage and MRAPs doesnt help either. Army being deployed was a good thing. Army is more trained and kick *** hard. It worked when they sent them into Balochistan alongside SSG. I say we should hold negotiations with our neighbours (ir + afg) to see if we can cut down on said terrorism. If they are lacking in COIN ops, then we should do it ourselves. Cross border SSG strikes against terrorists. It will send fear into the hearts of the terrorists when they realise SSG is hunting them down with no remorse.

This low intensity insurgency should have been taken care of many years ago. Many governments and the Pak army have let this problem grow into a bigger challenge. India stepped in and made it worse.

I have nothing against negotiations and offering an olive branch. Those that are beyond recovery need to be dealt with ASAP. Unfortunately, this doesn't happen. The authorities let the BLA terrorists continue with their propaganda and bloodshed.
 
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This article clearly encapsulates the bs mil strategy “jis mulk kee maaen apnay bachoon ko shahadat key lia khoshe say daytee hain, voh mulk kabhee nahee haarey ga”. Army generals need to get off their manicured lawns, and ac’d mercedeses and get to work. I realize insurgencies are difficult to put down but there are only two ways. Brutal crushing or political rapprochement. This slow drips and drabs of dying NCOs is not on. Officer to soldier ratio of death is nothing to gloat about either.
This will only happen when there is accountability. Can anyone bell the cat in Pakistan today? NAB cannot even probe the military men for graft! Any news of corruption in the military threatens the "waqar". How many army men were spotted in the Pandora papers? is everything not forgotten before the fuss even was made about these papers? That accountability will come when there is civilian supremacy in the country. That in turn will happen when civilians pull their heads out from their behinds (pardon my french, I am genuinely peeved these days at the unfolding events) and learn how to govern to take back the space/influence they have ceded over to the military establishment due to weak roots/supports in the masses. Better governance = public support = reining in the influence of establishment + holding incompetence to account.

We can learn from Turkey's example in this respect.
 
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I want to see bajwa go,but don't want to join the chorus of traitors from NS clan/PMLN, and other sell outs, to destroy the Pak army.

We need new vigor and seriousness in our coin ops. Bajwa is not bothered much by the almost daily toll in the lives of our foot soldiers.
 
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Many officers and men who fought those battles and survived have retired. Is the institutional memory of lessons learnt being lost?
Another critical point in the article, equally troubling if true. Were the lessons learned not built into the curriculum in the war colleges in the country? Are there loopholes in instruction? Can we reacquire the capabilities and wisdom of leaders of men like Gen. Tariq Khan?
 
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Make no mistake. Bajwa has made blunders. In fact, blunders which are unforgivable in my opinion. Nevertheless, if we have to choose between alternatives, he still come on top easily.

Who are the alternatives?
This low intensity insurgency should have been taken care of many years ago. Many governments and the Pak army have let this problem grow into a bigger challenge. India stepped in and made it worse.

I have nothing against negotiations and offering an olive branch. Those that are beyond recovery need to be dealt with ASAP. Unfortunately, this doesn't happen. The authorities let the BLA terrorists continue with their propaganda and bloodshed.

Agree, Musharraf did the right thing killing Akbar Bugti.
FC getting hit mostly happened in Balochistan. The terrain of Balochistan doesnt exactly help, however having little drone coverage and MRAPs doesnt help either. Army being deployed was a good thing. Army is more trained and kick *** hard. It worked when they sent them into Balochistan alongside SSG. I say we should hold negotiations with our neighbours (ir + afg) to see if we can cut down on said terrorism. If they are lacking in COIN ops, then we should do it ourselves. Cross border SSG strikes against terrorists. It will send fear into the hearts of the terrorists when they realise SSG is hunting them down with no remorse.

No, TTP was also hitting FC. But, at one point we were crossing tolls of over 100 FC for the first half of 2021. We send them in cheap pickup trucks to a place of hell.

Taliban did arrest a large amount of BLA and ISISK people in Helmand.
 
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