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1 . qatar ,a crook , cunning state is manipulating and under supplying the market to ' pump ' LNG prices while there is ample evidence to prove that LNG market is over supplied .

@muhammadhafeezmalik


2 . qatar extracts gas from its share of the gigantic south pars natural gas field ( shared with iran) .

The South Pars/North Dome field is a natural-gas condensate field located in the Persian Gulf. It is by far the world's largest natural gas field,[1] with ownership of the field shared between Iran and Qatar.[2][3] According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), the field holds an estimated 1,800 trillion cubic feet (51 trillion cubic metres) of in-situ natural gas and some 50 billion barrels (7.9 billion cubic metres) of natural gas condensates.[4] On the list of natural gas fields it has almost as much recoverable reserves as all the other fields combined. It has significant geostrategic influence



3. why are Pakistani policy makers buying expensive, spot rate LNG when iran has one the largest gas deposits( existing and being discovered ) and is willing to work with pakistan ?

LNG is far more expensive to transport, re gassify and make available to consumers . NG just needs to be connected to existing systems



4. iran has just discovered the Chalous gas field in the caspian sea, the gas field is being developed by russian companies and it is estimated that the capacity is 40TCM ( one of the largest in the world )


my hypothesis stands - the gas /LNG market is extremely over supplied and pakistani policy makers are buying expensive SPOT lng for no reason ( kickbacks ?)
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A deal finalized last week to develop Iran’s multi-trillion dollar new gas discovery, the Chalous field, will see Russian companies hold the major share in it, followed by Chinese companies, and only then Iranian ones, sources close to the deal exclusively told OilPrice.com. This is despite Chalous’s position unequivocally within the Iranian sector of the Caspian Sea, over which the Islamic Republic has complete sovereignty. Billions of dollars in additional capital investment are scheduled to come from financial institutions in Germany, Austria, and Italy, as the indications are that the size of Chalous’s gas reserves are even greater now than initially thought. According to one of the senior Russian officials involved in negotiating the deal: “This is the final act of securing control over the European energy market.”

In context, the wider Caspian basins area, including both onshore and offshore fields, is conservatively estimated to have around 48 billion barrels of oil and 292 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in proven and probable reserves. As exclusively covered and analyzed by OilPrice.com in 2019, Russia was instrumental in manipulating a change in the legal status of the Caspian basins area that meant that Iran’s share of the total revenues from the entire Caspian site was slashed from 50-50 split with the USSR that it had enjoyed as from the original agreement made in 1921 (on ‘fishing rights’) and amended in 1924 to include ‘any and all resources recovered’ to just 11.875 percent. Before the Chalous discovery, this meant that Iran would lose at least US$3.2 trillion in revenues from the lost value of energy products across the shared assets of the Caspian Sea resource going forward. Given the latest internal-use only estimates from Iran and Russia, this figure will now be a lot higher.

Previously, the estimates of Iran and Russia were that Chalous contained around 3.5 trillion cubic meters (Tcm) of gas in place. This equated to around one-quarter of the 14.2 Tcm of gas reserves contained in Iran’s supergiant South Pars natural gas field that already accounts for around 40 percent of Iran’s total estimated 33.8 Tcm of gas reserves and about 80 percent of its gas production.


As it now stands, though, revealed exclusively to OilPrice.com, following further studies by Russia, the Chalous discovery is now seen as essentially a twin-field site, nine kilometers apart, with ‘Greater’ Chalous having 5.9 trillion cubic meters (Tcm) of gas in place, and ‘Lesser’ Chalous having 1.2 Tcm of gas, giving a combined figure of 7.1 Tcm of gas. Therefore, the new Chalous figures would give Iran a total natural gas reserves figure of 40.9 Tcm, whilst Russia – for a long time, the holder of the largest gas reserves in the world – officially has just under 48 Tcm. That Russian figure, though, has not been revised to account for usage, wastage, and gas field degradation for many years, and, according to Russian gas sources, is around 38.99 Tcm as of the end of 2020. Consequently, the Chalous find makes Iran the biggest gas reserves holder in the world.

These new estimates, on top of recent developments in the European gas market, have led to a change in the plan that had been agreed on between Iran and Russia and had remained in play up until around a month ago. The plan had been for Iran’s side of the development to be led by the Khazar Exploration and Production Company (KEPCO), with the additional principal participation of then-to-be finalized Russian companies. Following both the upgrading of the gas reserves estimates in Chalous and spiraling gas prices across Europe in the previous weeks, the new stake split in the combined Chalous twin-sites is as follows: Russia’s Gazprom and Transneft will together hold a 40 percent share, China’s CNPC and CNOOC together a 28 percent share, and KEPCO a 25 percent share only. “Gazprom will have overall responsibility for managing the Chalous development, Transneft will do the transportation and related operations, CNPC is doing a lot of the financing and providing the necessary banking facilities, and CNOOC will be doing the infrastructure parts and engineering,” said one of the sources.

Related: Biden’s Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides

Bad as this may seem for Iran, it is actually much worse than that for two key reasons, according to the sources close to the deal. First, although KEPCO will nominally be in charge of Iran’s limited operations on the Chalous site, the real management on Iran’s side will be in the hands of hydrocarbons companies closely associated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC). Second, and the explanation as to why the IRGC has suddenly taken over the Iranian side of the project, is that the 7 percent left over after the stake splits above have been removed from 100 percent, is destined to be paid into two corporate accounts – one in Shanghai and the other in Macau – that are ultimately under the control of the IRGC. This is also the reason why the IRGC has played down the true level of the reserves in Chalous since OilPrice.com’s exclusive first report on the subject was published.

Although the IRGC has stated in a series of internal discussions within the Iranian government recently that the new terms of the Chalous deal that have placed Russian and Chinese interests above those of Iran are ‘the price we have to pay for Iran’s access to the technology and manufacturing capacity required for our missile program’, the ramifications of it are much greater than the size of future IRGC slush funds in Shanghai and Macau. Russia’s Transneft in just the past two weeks projected that Chalous alone can provide up to 72 percent of all of the natural gas requirements for Germany, Austria, and Italy every year for the full 20 years that the Chalous deal is set to run. Transneft has also reported to Moscow that Chalous alone could supply up to 52 percent of all of the European Union’s gas needs over the period as well. To gain effective control over these new Iranian gas flows through securing such a stake in Chalous, Russia privately assured Iran that, in addition to development and exploration expertise, and some funding, it will also ‘seek to support Iran’s interests in the matter of the JCPOA [Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action] and in other matters at the UN’.

Aside from the enormous geopolitical value for Russia in adding the Chalous gas streams to the current gas supplies over which it has control, especially into the EU, Moscow is looking at an enormous financial payoff from its involvement in this field. Russia has calculated that, using an annual mean average figure of US$800 per 1,000 cubic meters of gas (it has been much higher than this, of course, in recent weeks), the value of exports from Chalous at a comfortable rate of recovery from the site is at least US$450 billion over the 20-year duration of the deal, which coincides with the next 20-year Iran-Russia deal. After the 20-year deal is up, the agreement currently is that the IRGC corporate vehicle Khatam al-Anbiya will take over ownership of Chalous for the next 50 years. Given the likely length of gas recovery at Chalous – and the fact that Russia intends to take less than 10 percent of it out over the course of its 20-year deal - sources close to the deal estimate the total value of the Chalous gas site at US$5.4 trillion.

By Simon Watkins for Oilprice.com



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For reference Iran piped CNG gas price was agreed at 13.8/MMBTU at time when LNG was 6-7/MMBTU. latest LNG contract with Qatar is signed at 10.2/mmbtu when it is being sold at 30-35/mmbtu. In future projections price will stabilise at 12$ so Pakistan did strike a good deal. So dont know which expenaive gas you are talking about here. Iran was the one ripping us off with overpriced CNG not to be confused with LNG. No where in the world you will find such high price tag for CNG. People who think Iran is a better option live in fools paradise. Same CNG was to be provided by Turkmenistan at 6$ per mmbtu. In short IPI gas for pakistan was double the price.
 
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LNG is always going to cost more than pipeline gas b/c liquifying the gas and then having a regassing plant, and overseas/vehicular transport is always going to be more expensive compared to a pipeline. Qatar is selling LNG at a market rate. Pakistan not buying gas from Iran is pakistan's business, and I suspect its b/c of fear of US and saudi backlash as well as some geopolitical differences with Iran that would complicate things from Pakistan(border issues, the baloch issue, iran's relationship with india, the afghan issue, shia proxy politics interference). Those are really the only two viable options for Pakistan, the only other option is via a pipeline from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan, which presents its own challenges b/c of volatility and sabotage, Pakistan could also get Kazakh gas via a pipeline through China.

I think the better solution for Pakistan is to figure out how to be energy independent, and self sufficient as that would require less imports less money flowing out of the country, and lower fuel costs and volatility long term. Perhaps an investment into wind farms for electricity make sense, wind power is fairly cheap, but it also has challenges b/c there isn't always a constant supply and a reliable energy storage mechanism, still its a worthwhile endeavor as in most cases it will generate enough power to cut down on need for massive fuel imports..
 
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For reference Iran piped CNG gas price was agreed at 13.8/MMBTU 15% of brent at time when LNG was 6-7/MMBTU. latest LNG contract with Qatar is signed at 10.2/mmbtu when it is being sold at 30-35/mmbtu. In future projections price will stabilise at 12$ so Pakistan did strike a good deal. So dont know which expenaive gas you are talking about here. Iran was the one ripping us off with overpriced CNG not to be confused with LNG. No where in the world you will find such high price tag for CNG. People who think Iran is a better option live in fools paradise. Same CNG was to be provided by Turkmenistan at 6$ per mmbtu. In short IPI gas for pakistan was double the price.


Source,

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There are a bunch of misunderstandings here.

The govt is at pains to try and find the cheapest possible price (their own political survival / popularity depends on it, even if they don't care for the people)! You can't compare apples and oranges. The demand this season (globally) is huge with many of are tenders not even getting a single bid!
 
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For reference Iran piped CNG gas price was agreed at 13.8/MMBTU 15% of brent at time when LNG was 6-7/MMBTU. latest LNG contract with Qatar is signed at 10.2/mmbtu when it is being sold at 30-35/mmbtu. In future projections price will stabilise at 12$ so Pakistan did strike a good deal. So dont know which expenaive gas you are talking about here. Iran was the one ripping us off with overpriced CNG not to be confused with LNG. No where in the world you will find such high price tag for CNG. People who think Iran is a better option live in fools paradise. Same CNG was to be provided by Turkmenistan at 6$ per mmbtu. In short IPI gas for pakistan was double the price.
Did you just take those numbers out of your Rear? What is your source for all these price tags?

Iran was going to pay 500 million dollar loan to build the Pakistani section of the pipeline and Pakistan was going to buy the gas almost free in Exchange for allowing Iran to access Indian market.

Like always, Pakistan said Yes sir to USA and the joke of TAPI pipeline. Just imagine, the turkmenistan that failed to feed own people was going to feed 4 countries including their own. A ridiculous project suggested by Americans and abandoned by Americans. What an Irony and what a shame.
 
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1 . qatar ,a crook , cunning state is manipulating and under supplying the market to ' pump ' LNG prices while there is ample evidence to prove that LNG market is over supplied .

@muhammadhafeezmalik


2 . qatar extracts gas from its share of the gigantic south pars natural gas field ( shared with iran) .

The South Pars/North Dome field is a natural-gas condensate field located in the Persian Gulf. It is by far the world's largest natural gas field,[1] with ownership of the field shared between Iran and Qatar.[2][3] According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), the field holds an estimated 1,800 trillion cubic feet (51 trillion cubic metres) of in-situ natural gas and some 50 billion barrels (7.9 billion cubic metres) of natural gas condensates.[4] On the list of natural gas fields it has almost as much recoverable reserves as all the other fields combined. It has significant geostrategic influence



3. why are Pakistani policy makers buying expensive, spot rate LNG when iran has one the largest gas deposits( existing and being discovered ) and is willing to work with pakistan ?

LNG is far more expensive to transport, re gassify and make available to consumers . NG just needs to be connected to existing systems



4. iran has just discovered the Chalous gas field in the caspian sea, the gas field is being developed by russian companies and it is estimated that the capacity is 40TCM ( one of the largest in the world )


my hypothesis stands - the gas /LNG market is extremely over supplied and pakistani policy makers are buying expensive SPOT lng for no reason ( kickbacks ?)
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A deal finalized last week to develop Iran’s multi-trillion dollar new gas discovery, the Chalous field, will see Russian companies hold the major share in it, followed by Chinese companies, and only then Iranian ones, sources close to the deal exclusively told OilPrice.com. This is despite Chalous’s position unequivocally within the Iranian sector of the Caspian Sea, over which the Islamic Republic has complete sovereignty. Billions of dollars in additional capital investment are scheduled to come from financial institutions in Germany, Austria, and Italy, as the indications are that the size of Chalous’s gas reserves are even greater now than initially thought. According to one of the senior Russian officials involved in negotiating the deal: “This is the final act of securing control over the European energy market.”

In context, the wider Caspian basins area, including both onshore and offshore fields, is conservatively estimated to have around 48 billion barrels of oil and 292 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in proven and probable reserves. As exclusively covered and analyzed by OilPrice.com in 2019, Russia was instrumental in manipulating a change in the legal status of the Caspian basins area that meant that Iran’s share of the total revenues from the entire Caspian site was slashed from 50-50 split with the USSR that it had enjoyed as from the original agreement made in 1921 (on ‘fishing rights’) and amended in 1924 to include ‘any and all resources recovered’ to just 11.875 percent. Before the Chalous discovery, this meant that Iran would lose at least US$3.2 trillion in revenues from the lost value of energy products across the shared assets of the Caspian Sea resource going forward. Given the latest internal-use only estimates from Iran and Russia, this figure will now be a lot higher.

Previously, the estimates of Iran and Russia were that Chalous contained around 3.5 trillion cubic meters (Tcm) of gas in place. This equated to around one-quarter of the 14.2 Tcm of gas reserves contained in Iran’s supergiant South Pars natural gas field that already accounts for around 40 percent of Iran’s total estimated 33.8 Tcm of gas reserves and about 80 percent of its gas production.


As it now stands, though, revealed exclusively to OilPrice.com, following further studies by Russia, the Chalous discovery is now seen as essentially a twin-field site, nine kilometers apart, with ‘Greater’ Chalous having 5.9 trillion cubic meters (Tcm) of gas in place, and ‘Lesser’ Chalous having 1.2 Tcm of gas, giving a combined figure of 7.1 Tcm of gas. Therefore, the new Chalous figures would give Iran a total natural gas reserves figure of 40.9 Tcm, whilst Russia – for a long time, the holder of the largest gas reserves in the world – officially has just under 48 Tcm. That Russian figure, though, has not been revised to account for usage, wastage, and gas field degradation for many years, and, according to Russian gas sources, is around 38.99 Tcm as of the end of 2020. Consequently, the Chalous find makes Iran the biggest gas reserves holder in the world.

These new estimates, on top of recent developments in the European gas market, have led to a change in the plan that had been agreed on between Iran and Russia and had remained in play up until around a month ago. The plan had been for Iran’s side of the development to be led by the Khazar Exploration and Production Company (KEPCO), with the additional principal participation of then-to-be finalized Russian companies. Following both the upgrading of the gas reserves estimates in Chalous and spiraling gas prices across Europe in the previous weeks, the new stake split in the combined Chalous twin-sites is as follows: Russia’s Gazprom and Transneft will together hold a 40 percent share, China’s CNPC and CNOOC together a 28 percent share, and KEPCO a 25 percent share only. “Gazprom will have overall responsibility for managing the Chalous development, Transneft will do the transportation and related operations, CNPC is doing a lot of the financing and providing the necessary banking facilities, and CNOOC will be doing the infrastructure parts and engineering,” said one of the sources.

Related: Biden’s Baffling Oil Policy Faces Backlash From All Sides

Bad as this may seem for Iran, it is actually much worse than that for two key reasons, according to the sources close to the deal. First, although KEPCO will nominally be in charge of Iran’s limited operations on the Chalous site, the real management on Iran’s side will be in the hands of hydrocarbons companies closely associated with the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC). Second, and the explanation as to why the IRGC has suddenly taken over the Iranian side of the project, is that the 7 percent left over after the stake splits above have been removed from 100 percent, is destined to be paid into two corporate accounts – one in Shanghai and the other in Macau – that are ultimately under the control of the IRGC. This is also the reason why the IRGC has played down the true level of the reserves in Chalous since OilPrice.com’s exclusive first report on the subject was published.

Although the IRGC has stated in a series of internal discussions within the Iranian government recently that the new terms of the Chalous deal that have placed Russian and Chinese interests above those of Iran are ‘the price we have to pay for Iran’s access to the technology and manufacturing capacity required for our missile program’, the ramifications of it are much greater than the size of future IRGC slush funds in Shanghai and Macau. Russia’s Transneft in just the past two weeks projected that Chalous alone can provide up to 72 percent of all of the natural gas requirements for Germany, Austria, and Italy every year for the full 20 years that the Chalous deal is set to run. Transneft has also reported to Moscow that Chalous alone could supply up to 52 percent of all of the European Union’s gas needs over the period as well. To gain effective control over these new Iranian gas flows through securing such a stake in Chalous, Russia privately assured Iran that, in addition to development and exploration expertise, and some funding, it will also ‘seek to support Iran’s interests in the matter of the JCPOA [Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action] and in other matters at the UN’.

Aside from the enormous geopolitical value for Russia in adding the Chalous gas streams to the current gas supplies over which it has control, especially into the EU, Moscow is looking at an enormous financial payoff from its involvement in this field. Russia has calculated that, using an annual mean average figure of US$800 per 1,000 cubic meters of gas (it has been much higher than this, of course, in recent weeks), the value of exports from Chalous at a comfortable rate of recovery from the site is at least US$450 billion over the 20-year duration of the deal, which coincides with the next 20-year Iran-Russia deal. After the 20-year deal is up, the agreement currently is that the IRGC corporate vehicle Khatam al-Anbiya will take over ownership of Chalous for the next 50 years. Given the likely length of gas recovery at Chalous – and the fact that Russia intends to take less than 10 percent of it out over the course of its 20-year deal - sources close to the deal estimate the total value of the Chalous gas site at US$5.4 trillion.

By Simon Watkins for Oilprice.com



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Hi,

Can you please provide landfall and end consumer price comparissions for Qatar (2016 and 2021) Lng Contracts and NG from Iran (through IP) for better understanding.
Did you just take those numbers out of your Rear? What is your source for all these price tags?

Iran was going to pay 500 million dollar loan to build the Pakistani section of the pipeline and Pakistan was going to buy the gas almost free in Exchange for allowing Iran to access Indian market.

Like always, Pakistan said Yes sir to USA and the joke of TAPI pipeline. Just imagine, the turkmenistan that failed to feed own people was going to feed 4 countries including their own. A ridiculous project suggested by Americans and abandoned by Americans. What an Irony and what a shame.

Hi,

Can you please provide gas pricing details through IP pipeline for Pakistan?
 
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Hi,

Can you please provide gas pricing details through IP pipeline for Pakistan?
The details of contract never became public and hence internet speculations.

But i heard from an Iranian official that Iran had suggested Pakistan with free gas in Exchange for allowing Iran to access Indian market. Almost free, i mean.

An other publicized detail was that Iran was ready to build the Pakistani section of pipeline providing Khatam Al Anbia with 500 million dollar loan to do the job.

The only thing that Pakistan had to do was, sitting on a table and enjoy the show.
 
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The details of contract never became public and hence internet speculations.

But i heard from an Iranian official that Iran had suggested Pakistan with free gas in Exchange for allowing Iran to access Indian market. Almost free, i mean.

An other publicized detail was that Iran was ready to build the Pakistani section of pipeline providing Khatam Al Anbia with 500 million dollar loan to do the job.

The only thing that Pakistan had to do was, sitting on a table and enjoy the show.

And get sanctions too?
 
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And get sanctions too?
With or without sanctions, what was the difference in the lives of average Pakistanis?

You get looted and happy about not getting sanctioned by the declining USA?

The biggest Irony is that west has the biggest share of benefits from shoving expensive LNG into Pakistani markets.
Argue like a decent human not a piece of $hit patwari with gandi nasal born from seweage of Rai wind palace. You will get reply in your tone.

Stats are available online for every decent human being.
:lol:

It looks like i triggered you.

Please provide us with those sources. Thanks in advance. If you are not a pathetic liar though.
 
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With or without sanctions, what was the difference in the lives of average Pakistanis?

You get looted and happy about not getting sanctioned by the declining USA?

The biggest Irony is that west has the biggest share of benefits from shoving expensive LNG into Pakistani markets.

:lol:

It looks like i triggered you.

Please provide us with those sources. Thanks in advance. If you are not a pathetic liar though.

People do get triggerd when a patwari starts barking for no reason. I for one am not the type who shoves it under the carpet. Aba jaan ka nokar nae laga hua ja kar dhond lay khud.
 
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Qatar is not to be blamed for the high price tag. They lack the industry to find and extract oil/gas from Deep sea. Hence they have to sign contract with petro Giants, and be sure that western companies are doing the job from scratch.

LNG in its nature is expensive, when the selling country is technologically dependent on others, then you cannot expect them a fair price tag.
 
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Gas and oil are getting expensive all over the world. The time for cheap gas is over my friends. We better no conserve energy at home.
 
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