Pakistan, Iran agree to discuss implementation of IP gas project

[Dark-Destroyer]

Hurt?,not at all...in fact if anyones getting hurt here its the pak citizenry who are suffering power cuts when cheap energy is literally right there at the border only needing to be hooked up to,and indeed could have been hooked up to at literally any time within the past several years.I think if I was a pak citizen I`d be mad as hell,but then again maybe they`ve just resigned themselves to this sort of thing.
What has always baffled me,and still does for that matter,is why pak continues to act like a third rate vassal state and put us/saudi interests ahead of its own,with the ip pipeline being the perfect example of this.
I would`ve thought that with pak being the only nuclear weapons state in the muslim world that this would`ve given it not only quite a bit of prestige but also some real political power and influence,and yet look at the way the us treats pakistan and pakistans seeming quiet acceptance of this.Its a puzzle....at least to me to me it is...but then I`m not a pakistani,maybe it just all naturally makes sense to you guys.

well that was a long paragraph just to say it makes no sense to you.

 

[Sineva]

Oh how pathetic you are my false flag member .... a butt hurt Indian who just want score some brownie points .... ???

Do you even know Iran initiated the project for Indian market not for Pakistan as IPI (IRAN- PAKISTAN-INDIA)... and completed the section of pipeline at their side of boarder even before the conclusion of agreement with Pakistan in an anticipation of Indian market I have never seen any Iranian commenting about Indian backtrack from this project

Ahhh..,actually I`m not an indian,why is it so many of the pak members here automatically assume anyone criticizing pakistans governmental policies[or total lack thereof] is/has to be indian?,you really need to chill out dude.
I dont know where you`re getting your data from,but you might want to recheck it as the idea that iran and india would agree a deal and then start construction without a formal agreement with pakistan over whose territory the pipeline would have to cross is just utter lunacy.
The first discussions actually took place between iran and pakistan back in the mid 90s,which lead to the signing of a preliminary agreement in 1995,iran then made a proposal to invite india into the talks and an agreement with india was signed in 1999.
The whole thing then languished in limbo for about 5 years and then in 2004 things got going once again and in the first months of 2007 the 3 nations agreed a pricing arrangement for the gas.
In 2008 iran proposed chinese participation in the project but that never came to anything,likewise with bangladesh in 2010.Ultimately the indians dropped out citing security concerns,and while I dont doubt these could`ve played a role,I suspect this had more to do with the indian "realignment" towards the usraelis ie crawling up their @rseh0les,as they had just done the civilian nuclear deal with the us in 2008[did pak get one of these?LOL!,just kidding] and I wouldnt honestly be surprised if part of the quid-pro-quo for this was the scrapping of indian participation in the ipi[but I could be wrong,who knows?].
We then move forward to september 2012 when it was announced that the project would commence before October 2012 and be completed by December 2014,and on march 11th 2013 both nations presidents were present at the inauguration of the construction works on the Pakistani section of the pipeline which was supposed to be completed in 22 months[LOLOLOL!].............and then nothing happened!!,the pakistanis did literally no construction whatsoever.
Now after 3 months the iranians were getting more than a little bit concerned as the pak government hadnt even nominated local firms and subcontractors to build their section,pakistan however repeatedly assured iran that it was totally committed to the project and continued to claim that the pipeline would be ready on time at the end of 2014,all the while without doing a single bit of work on the pipeline[LOL!,maybe it`ll be like the story of The Emperors New Clothes].
Finally in feb 2014 the pak minister for Petroleum and Natural Resources,Shahid Khaqan Abbasi told the National Assembly that the project is off the table,citing international sanctions as the issue[Yeah,right!.Pull the other one M8 its got bells on it]can you say us pressure?,well I sure can[LOL!]
And thats pretty much where we`re at now,except of course there is now the possibility that iran will take pakistan to the court of international arbitration to get it to cough up all those penalty fees it now owes iran for its failure to complete on time back in dec 2014,and that aint exactly chicken feed folks,ironically its estimated to be pretty close to the sum that pak would`ve had to spend actually building the damn thing in the first place[LOLOL!!].
Hey,heres an idea maybe pak could get the saudis/us to give them the money to pay the penalty fees,I mean since it isnt going to be spent actually building the pipeline they shouldnt have any problems with that,right?

well that was a long paragraph just to say it makes no sense to you.

I suspect it wouldnt just be me alone,but for what its worth I think you`re right,pakistans behavior is utterly baffling and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me,indeed one could almost call it nonsensical[LOL!].I dont know,maybe theres some special pakistani logic involved that I`m missing,but frankly the whole thing seems about as clear as mud to me....and something tells me that I wouldnt be the only one thinking this.
PS: Just out of curiosity does paks behavior make any sense to you,or did you long ago learn to simply accept it without asking any questions?.

 

[BATMAN]

Discuss discuss discusss.this govt

Who gave the right of discuss to the US appointed govt. of Pakistan.

on the other hand, there's already a scandal of previous PM about procuring expensive gas from Qatar, while this article is discussing taking price reference from Qatar deal and i see no criticism!!!!

What i always see is lot's of yearning for Iranian gas among defence.pk members, but no one is willing to demand transparency, low price etc. whatever happened to the talk of Pakistani interest ?

 

[HRK]

I dont know where you`re getting your data from

dear check yourself the date at which Iran and Pakistan FORMALLY signed agreement for gas pipeline and the date of construction of gas pipeline at IRANIAN SIDE

read yourself

6/5/2009 Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project has been formally signed in Istanbul. The agreement was signed between National Iranian Gas Export Company (NIGEC) and Pakistani Interstate Gas Company (PIGC).

8/11/2009 900 km out of 1100 km in Iran has been constructed, with a cost of $700 m.

SOURCE: http://www.gulfoilandgas.com/webpro1/projects/3dreport.asp?id=100730

 

[Dalit]

Get on with this pipeline.

America needs to be shown a big middle finger. They are not going to dictate who we get our gas from.

 

[Sineva]

dear check yourself the date at which Iran and Pakistan FORMALLY signed agreement for gas pipeline and the date of construction of gas pipeline at IRANIAN SIDE

read yourself

6/5/2009 Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project has been formally signed in Istanbul. The agreement was signed between National Iranian Gas Export Company (NIGEC) and Pakistani Interstate Gas Company (PIGC).

8/11/2009 900 km out of 1100 km in Iran has been constructed, with a cost of $700 m.

SOURCE: http://www.gulfoilandgas.com/webpro1/projects/3dreport.asp?id=100730

Ah...how exactly does any of this back up your claim that the ipi was initiated as an iran india project first and that construction for this purpose started before any formal deal with pakistan?
What you`ve actually gone and done is prove my point,nice work thanks.

 

[Śakra]

Ahhh..,actually I`m not an indian,why is it so many of the pak members here automatically assume anyone criticizing pakistans governmental policies[or total lack thereof] is/has to be indian?,you really need to chill out dude.
I dont know where you`re getting your data from,but you might want to recheck it as the idea that iran and india would agree a deal and then start construction without a formal agreement with pakistan over whose territory the pipeline would have to cross is just utter lunacy.
The first discussions actually took place between iran and pakistan back in the mid 90s,which lead to the signing of a preliminary agreement in 1995,iran then made a proposal to invite india into the talks and an agreement with india was signed in 1999.
The whole thing then languished in limbo for about 5 years and then in 2004 things got going once again and in the first months of 2007 the 3 nations agreed a pricing arrangement for the gas.
In 2008 iran proposed chinese participation in the project but that never came to anything,likewise with bangladesh in 2010.Ultimately the indians dropped out citing security concerns,and while I dont doubt these could`ve played a role,I suspect this had more to do with the indian "realignment" towards the usraelis ie crawling up their @rseh0les,as they had just done the civilian nuclear deal with the us in 2008[did pak get one of these?LOL!,just kidding] and I wouldnt honestly be surprised if part of the quid-pro-quo for this was the scrapping of indian participation in the ipi[but I could be wrong,who knows?].
We then move forward to september 2012 when it was announced that the project would commence before October 2012 and be completed by December 2014,and on march 11th 2013 both nations presidents were present at the inauguration of the construction works on the Pakistani section of the pipeline which was supposed to be completed in 22 months[LOLOLOL!].............and then nothing happened!!,the pakistanis did literally no construction whatsoever.
Now after 3 months the iranians were getting more than a little bit concerned as the pak government hadnt even nominated local firms and subcontractors to build their section,pakistan however repeatedly assured iran that it was totally committed to the project and continued to claim that the pipeline would be ready on time at the end of 2014,all the while without doing a single bit of work on the pipeline[LOL!,maybe it`ll be like the story of The Emperors New Clothes].
Finally in feb 2014 the pak minister for Petroleum and Natural Resources,Shahid Khaqan Abbasi told the National Assembly that the project is off the table,citing international sanctions as the issue[Yeah,right!.Pull the other one M8 its got bells on it]can you say us pressure?,well I sure can[LOL!]
And thats pretty much where we`re at now,except of course there is now the possibility that iran will take pakistan to the court of international arbitration to get it to cough up all those penalty fees it now owes iran for its failure to complete on time back in dec 2014,and that aint exactly chicken feed folks,ironically its estimated to be pretty close to the sum that pak would`ve had to spend actually building the damn thing in the first place[LOLOL!!].
Hey,heres an idea maybe pak could get the saudis/us to give them the money to pay the penalty fees,I mean since it isnt going to be spent actually building the pipeline they shouldnt have any problems with that,right?


I suspect it wouldnt just be me alone,but for what its worth I think you`re right,pakistans behavior is utterly baffling and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to me,indeed one could almost call it nonsensical[LOL!].I dont know,maybe theres some special pakistani logic involved that I`m missing,but frankly the whole thing seems about as clear as mud to me....and something tells me that I wouldnt be the only one thinking this.
PS: Just out of curiosity does paks behavior make any sense to you,or did you long ago learn to simply accept it without asking any questions?.

Your oil is low quality. No one wants to buy it when they can get Arabian Light instead unless they can get yours at firesale prices. It makes sense why pakistan doesn’t want to finish the pipeline.

 

[flameboard]

This can drastically improve things for Pakistan hopefully it's done soon

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

BC our Side was asleep till the us sanctions were announced

 

[doorstar]

Ah...how exactly does any of this back up your claim that the ipi was initiated as an iran india project first and that construction for this purpose started before any formal deal with pakistan?
What you`ve actually gone and done is prove my point,nice work thanks.

• The idea was conceived by a Pakistani civil engineer Malik Aftab Ahmed Khan in 1955
• The project was conceptualized in 1989 by Rajendra K. Pachauri in partnership with Sarwar Shar, former Deputy Foreign Minister of Iran
• A preliminary agreement was signed in 1995 between the governments of Iran and Pakistan.
  
• Iran made a proposal to extend the pipeline from Pakistan into India and a preliminary agreement between Iran and India was signed in February 1999.
• In 2009, India withdrew from the project citing pricing and security issues (after signing a civilian nuclear deal with the United States in 2008).
• In August 2010, Iran invited Bangladesh to join the project.
• Rest is as clear as mud.

Your oil is low quality. No one wants to buy it when they can get Arabian Light instead unless they can get yours at firesale prices. It makes sense why pakistan doesn’t want to finish the pipeline.

I could have sworn it was a gas pipeline that they were talking about

 

[Sineva]

Your oil is low quality. No one wants to buy it when they can get Arabian Light instead unless they can get yours at firesale prices. It makes sense why pakistan doesn’t want to finish the pipeline.

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!
Hey braniac its not an oil pipeline ITS A FU#KING GAS PIPELINE!!
Now go back to sleep.

 

[Sineva]

• The idea was conceived by a Pakistani civil engineer Malik Aftab Ahmed Khan in 1955
• The project was conceptualized in 1989 by Rajendra K. Pachauri in partnership with Sarwar Shar, former Deputy Foreign Minister of Iran
• A preliminary agreement was signed in 1995 between the governments of Iran and Pakistan.
  
• Iran made a proposal to extend the pipeline from Pakistan into India and a preliminary agreement between Iran and India was signed in February 1999.
• In 2009, India withdrew from the project citing pricing and security issues (after signing a civilian nuclear deal with the United States in 2008).
• In August 2010, Iran invited Bangladesh to join the project.
• Rest is as clear as mud.

I could have sworn it was a gas pipeline that they were talking about

Yes.....I do actually know all of that,however it seems a certain PDF THINK TANK:CONSULTANT[LOL!,What on earth sort of criteria does pdf use to decide this I wonder?] by the name of HRK doesnt,preferring instead wacky conspiracy theories involving iran and india trying to stick it to pakistan,so you probably should have addressed your post to him.
Personally I think where the whole thing stops making any sense is right after the inauguration of the commencement of construction of the pak section in march 2012,because basically after that nothing actually happens construction wise at least,the whole project on the pak side effectively appears to go into limbo until march 25th 2014 when the Minister for Petroleum and Natural Resources of Pakistan, Shahid Khaqan Abbasi told the national assembly that the project for the moment is off the table due to sanctions,tho he didnt appear to elaborate on what the actual problems were relating to sanctions,most probably either an inability to get foreign financing or a fear of getting sanctioned by the us if pak actually went ahead with construction or perhaps both,who knows?.

 

[doorstar]

Yes.....I do actually know all of that,however it seems a certain PDF THINK TANK:CONSULTANT[LOL!,What on earth sort of criteria does pdf use to decide this I wonder?] by the name of HRK doesnt,preferring instead wacky conspiracy theories involving iran and india trying to stick it to pakistan,so you probably should have addressed your post to him.
Personally I think where the whole thing stops making any sense is right after the inauguration of the commencement of construction of the pak section in march 2012,because basically after that nothing actually happens construction wise at least,the whole project on the pak side effectively appears to go into limbo until march 25th 2014 when the Minister for Petroleum and Natural Resources of Pakistan, Shahid Khaqan Abbasi told the national assembly that the project for the moment is off the table due to sanctions,tho he didnt appear to elaborate on what the actual problems were relating to sanctions,most probably either an inability to get foreign financing or a fear of getting sanctioned by the us if pak actually went ahead with construction or perhaps both,who knows?.

I would never address a confrontational post directly to a member of staff in open forum.

In any case (I am sorry to say that but) I know for a fact about a few Iranian (in cahoots with Indians) conspiracies against Pakistan.

 

[HRK]

Ah...how exactly does any of this back up your claim that the ipi was initiated as an iran india project first and that construction for this purpose started before any formal deal with pakistan?
What you`ve actually gone and done is prove my point,nice work thanks.

Oh so your case was to prove that Iran was in such a haste that It BUILT A PIPELINE even before the any AGREEMENT with the CONSUMERS .... ???
was it Pakistan's fault ....??

Yes.....I do actually know all of that,however it seems a certain PDF THINK TANK:CONSULTANT[LOL!,What on earth sort of criteria does pdf use to decide this I wonder?] by the name of HRK doesnt,preferring instead wacky conspiracy theories involving iran and india trying to stick it to pakistan,so you probably should have addressed your post to him.

Ah what a post full of traits of a troll ....
- Personal attack
- Deliberate attempt to provoke
- Deliberately giving new meaning as per own wish to my post which was clear to everyone with rudimentary comprehensive skills read again my post

Do you even know Iran initiated the project for Indian market not for Pakistan as IPI (IRAN- PAKISTAN-INDIA)... and completed the section of pipeline at their side of boarder even before the conclusion of agreement with Pakistan in an anticipation of Indian market I have never seen any Iranian commenting about Indian backtrack from this project

I have rated your negative for personal attack

now **** off you idiot ....

 

[Sineva]

Oh so your case was to prove that Iran was in such a haste that It BUILT A PIPELINE even before the any AGREEMENT with the CONSUMERS .... ???
was it Pakistan's fault ....??


Ah what a post full of traits of a troll ....
- Personal attack
- Deliberate attempt to provoke
- Deliberately giving new meaning as per own wish to my post which was clear to everyone with rudimentary comprehensive skills read again my post


I have rated your negative for personal attack

now **** off you idiot ....

As I recall this was your original post:

Do you even know Iran initiated the project for Indian market not for Pakistan as IPI (IRAN- PAKISTAN-INDIA)... and completed the section of pipeline at their side of boarder even before the conclusion of agreement with Pakistan in an anticipation of Indian market I have never seen any Iranian commenting about Indian backtrack from this project

I think it would be pretty hard to give "new meaning" to this,or for anyone with "rudimentary comprehensive skills" to misunderstand it....but then I`m not a "PDF Think Tank:Consultant" now am I ?
Anyway back to what I was saying:
When I disproved your initial statement you then produced this to prove your "claim"

6/5/2009 Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project has been formally signed in Istanbul. The agreement was signed between National Iranian Gas Export Company (NIGEC) and Pakistani Interstate Gas Company (PIGC).

8/11/2009 900 km out of 1100 km in Iran has been constructed, with a cost of $700 m.

I notice you seem to have totally forgotten all about your initial claim of "Do you even know Iran initiated the project for Indian market not for Pakistan as IPI (IRAN- PAKISTAN-INDIA)" which kind of does make your whole claim fall apart doesnt it?,so instead you just forget about that and focus instead on iran building its part before the formal signing which since india would not be participating makes your claim even more irrelevant.
As for iran completing part of its section before the signing this was because the pipeline was never intended for just exclusively supplying gas to pakistan,which would be given 50% of its capacity,but to also supply irans eastern provinces which it still does in fact to this very day.

I have rated your negative for personal attack

Gosh!,how very petty of you.But all in all not very surprising I must say,as some people sadly have very thin skins and tend to view almost anything as a "personal attack".
However if you`re going to publicly make patently false claims that you cant back up,then sir in my humble opinion you are not only richly deserving of ridicule but you will get it in spades from me,and if you cant stand the heat then either dont post rubbish or better yet just get the fu#k off the forum,ok?...you have a nice day now!.