Pakistan interested in buying 30-40 J-31s

[S.Y.A]

Seems like a small number...

Standard squadron size is usually 12 or 24...

I'd think for Pakistan's defence needs they'd need a larger number... maybe 7 squadrons of 12 (84 aircraft) or 3 squadrons of 24 (72 aircraft), or even a mix of the two... with such squadron ideas it really depends how many bases you intend to deploy them on and in what areas.

Pakistan has an advantage in this case in that it has 1 (admittedly sizeable) front with India in the East. Whereas for a country like Iran which has enemies in the west (Israel) and South/South East (Arabs, US Navy), it would need more forces to ensure it's forces aren't spread out thin.

Typically a PAF squadron consists of 16 aircraft.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Pakistan interested in buying 30-40 J-31s
FC-31 / J-31 / F-60? Stealth Fighter
India is much larger than Pakistan, in terms of geographic arae, population, and econmy. In the face Indian quantitative conventional superiority, the Pakistan Army is developing an extensive battlefield nuclear weapons posture as an asymetric response on the ground. In the air, Pakistan must turn to stealth.

The Pakistan Air Force had traditionally been the "quality" air force while the Indian Air Force has been the numerically superior "quantity" air force. But with the passage of time, it was believed that the Indian Air Force had surpassed its Pakistani counterpart both qualitatively and quantitatively.

India had procured large numbers of advanced fighters in the enw century, including hundreds of thrust-vectoring Su-30MKIs and dozens of carrier-capable MiG-29Ks. Additionally, many older Indian fighters have been substantially upgraded with new avionics and cutting edge jamming systems. India has its own JF-17 equivalent, the 'Tejas" light combat aircraft. The stealthy Russian-Indian PGFA fighter program is based on Russia's 5th generation stealthy fighter design, the Sukhoi T-50.

The FC-31 stealth fighter jet reportedly matches a strong need for fifth generation fighters by the Pakistan Air Force, which is already struggling to find an aircraft to go up against the Russian-made T-50 fifth-generation fighter being acquired by India. The twin-engine FC-31 fighter jet resembles the American Air Force’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) showed interest in buying fourth generation stealth fighter aircraft FC-31 from China. Janes reported 12 November 2014 that the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) was in talks with China to buy 30 to 40 of the Shenyang FC-31 twin-engined stealth fighter displayed at Airshow China 2014 in Zhuhai. Pakistani Defence Production minister Rana Tanveer Hussain said in late November 2014 that the matter was being discussed with Chinese authorities. According to Dawn, it was for the first time that a senior government functionary had confirmed talks with China over purchase of the longer-range stealth aircraft.

The Pakistani military authorities were determined to acquire 30 to 40 fourth generation stealth fighter (FC-31) aircraft from China with a view to pre-empting the rapidly increasing aerial dominance of the Indian Air Force (IAF) in the region. Pakistan had approached China and Russia to fulfill its defense procurements as the Pak-US ties continued to chill.

The JF-31 may also allow Pakistan to retire other aircraft and focus on it and the JF-17 for its future combat capability, presenting a relevant and sustainable high-low air combat capability mix.

Chief of the Air Staff (CAS) Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman told The News 04 December 2015 that Pakistan would keep up with other regional powers that are buying 5th generation jets, and that negotiations had begun with the US about buying single engine multi-role F-35 fighters. The plane is widely regarded as the fighter jet of the next decade. Aman said that three options are being explored and the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) could have 5th generation jets within 5 years.

In an interview aired by the national broadcaster PTV 31 May 2016, Pakistan Air Force (PAF) chief Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman said Vision 2030 aims for greater indigenization of avionics, communication systems, and other subsystems and components for a fifth generation fighter. He accepted there are budgetary and research challenges, but said human resources and infrastructure was being developed to ensure that 10-15 years from now these goals could be achieved. A major aspect of this is Aviation City near Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, the home of Pakistan’s aviation industry, which will have its own higher education facilities to nurture talent for the indigenization process.

As outlined by Aman, the JF-17 program laid the groundwork and “instilled sufficient confidence” to consider moving from a 50-50 partnership, as with the JF-17, to one featuring perhaps 70 percent to 80 percent “local design and production.”




http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/fc-31.htm

First of all every of our defense talk should not start with the word "India". We have many other countries to handle. And some of them are situated very much far away from Pakistan. India wants to keep us busy with and focused only on India. So, we need to have a partial focus on India, but an active one.
Secondly, possibilities from TFX program must also be included while talking about upgrading PAF and Pakistani aviation fleet.
Thirdly, Pakistans economic expansion may enable us to buy more than 30 to 40 birds. May be 50 or more(Inshallah, aameen).

 

[Syed_Adeel]

OP just posted and article with out reading.

They are considering Chinese 4th gen which is western 5th gen.
JFT is also described as 3rd gen fighter in some documentaries.

 

[BHarwana]

They are considering Chinese 4th gen which is western 5th gen.
JFT is also described as 3rd gen fighter in some documentaries.

The info is new for me.

 

[Arsalan]

The info is new for me.

Well it is a fact and something that is known for years now!! Since the times of beginning of JF17 program.

 

[Syed_Adeel]

The info is new for me.

May be new for you but many people here in forum know this.
It has happened in multiple videos and even official one as well.

 

[WarFariX]

i think this is the initial numbers of what Pakistan is gonna buy... but isn't it too early to say that Pakistan is buying J-31's

i mean only 1st prototype has flew no weapons testing no radar testing etc etc has been done yet

or Pakistan is looking to buying small numbers of J-31 and TAI TFX? to keep and east and west Combo...


but still 7-8 years left for these plane to go in production stage...



True we need some Flankers for coastal areas and J-10's to replace our ageing Mirages ...

pardon me sir but we didnt see a new proto of j31 for 5 years..1st we saw in 2011 and 2nd in 2016 so u can understand that in this whole time much may had happened and who knows radars hasnt been tested after all we dont have inner sources...as for j20 we saw many prototypes after small times...however i agree with ur point ogf replacing mirages with j10..they r very capable fighters and flankers r need for navy

Is it the deliberate attempt or mistake. That is very idiot of OP.. no stealth A/C is a 4th gen..It is a proper 5th gen A/C and its subsequent versions will be 5.5 gen.

i was astonished to hear this from a senior mwmber , dont u know china number their jets one generation behind as they started making jets1st gen jets when world was making 2nd gen..so j10 f16 jf17 in their language is 3rd gen and su35 is 3.5 while j20 f22 is 4th

this explains the some "maghroor" senior members when they show their "ghalbah" over new/full members....

 

[MultaniGuy]

First of all every of our defense talk should not start with the word "India". We have many other countries to handle. And some of them are situated very much far away from Pakistan. India wants to keep us busy with and focused only on India. So, we need to have a partial focus on India, but an active one.
Secondly, possibilities from TFX program must also be included while talking about upgrading PAF and Pakistani aviation fleet.
Thirdly, Pakistans economic expansion may enable us to buy more than 30 to 40 birds. May be 50 or more(Inshallah, aameen).

Agreed with you.
I just copied the article from the internet.

 

[maximuswarrior]

30-40 is obviously an initial order. No doubt we are looking at potentially at many more in the coming years. I would go as far as saying that J-31 is Pakistan's front line fighter.

 

[wiseone2]

i think this is the initial numbers of what Pakistan is gonna buy... but isn't it too early to say that Pakistan is buying J-31's

i mean only 1st prototype has flew no weapons testing no radar testing etc etc has been done yet

or Pakistan is looking to buying small numbers of J-31 and TAI TFX? to keep and east and west Combo...


but still 7-8 years left for these plane to go in production stage...



True we need some Flankers for coastal areas and J-10's to replace our ageing Mirages ...

time for j-10s has passed

 

[Ultima Thule]

Still have 5-8 years until then.

So what? why you are in a hurry mode

 

[maximuswarrior]

time for j-10s has passed

LOL Who told you this? If we want them we'll order them today and China will supply.

 

[wiseone2]

LOL Who told you this? If we want them we'll order them today and China will supply.

I do not think PAF will order them now

 

[WiderMan]

Typically a PAF squadron consists of 16 aircraft.

18.

 

[WarFariX]

time for j-10s has passed

j10c is better than any current or future f16 even f16in . it has confedential deadly avionics...except for payload which is higher in f16