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Pakistan, India need to start ‘new chapter’ in ties: Nawaz Sharif

You forgot the Indian embassy attack in which your defense attache was killed. He was actually Indian Military intelligence Brigadier and most probably point man of Anti-Pak ops through afghanistan. When matters aren't solved through civilized means.Assassinations comes handy.
Ok assassination done, accepted he was responsible. (Though not confirmed just accepting for your sake) your country got rid of terrorism, attacks in Pakistan stopped ?? Pakistan is now booming ?? People are happy to live and not afraid ?? nope, no change because its not India what is affecting you bu your own internal policies and Blame it on other stance. Any attack Happens India is Involved, US is involved, but at the end the Attackers were from Pakistan, or they entered Pakistan
 
Ok assassination done, accepted he was responsible. (Though not confirmed just accepting for your sake) your country got rid of terrorism, attacks in Pakistan stopped ?? Pakistan is now booming ?? People are happy to live and not afraid ?? nope, no change because its not India what is affecting you bu your own internal policies and Blame it on other stance. Any attack Happens India is Involved, US is involved, but at the end the Attackers were from Pakistan, or they entered Pakistan

Using your own logic, Why blame Kashmir problems on Pakistan then? It is educated kashmiris who are involved in fighting against you now a days right ?
 
Using your own logic, Why blame Kashmir problems on Pakistan then? It is educated kashmiris who are involved in fighting against you now a days right ?
But, still if India is blaming, (That is proven) Atleast its not crying, it is effectively solving its problem in Kashmir. But Pakistan still doesn't care about the land it has where people are suffering but it wants kashmir

He's just using his office to protect his personal business stakes in India. Totally understandable.
Thats a good remark.

Using your own logic, Why blame Kashmir problems on Pakistan then? It is educated kashmiris who are involved in fighting against you now a days right ?
Plus India blames Pakistan on Kashmir issue as Pakistan is the one dragging India to foreign Courts (where the solution seems to no where and India is getting clean chits.) why would Pakistan do that if it has no interest in Kashmir. Second, why not just back of from Kashmir Issue and concentrate on Pakistan's main land which is no far from bad too. No offense but bitter truth. Plus in all this its the Pakistani Army and its people who are getting crushed.
 
Indian Logic:

When Pakistani government/Army is busy - DESTABALIZE things further by supporting foreign elements
example: Weapons and money supply to gas pipeline destabilizes during the Pakistani activities against terrorist.

Similarly when there was dharna going on , DESTABILIZE things by moving army to north border

When things stabilize - the notion is to send a Agent , to Pakistan to discuss things and pretend nothing happened


During Zarb-e...soemthing and Dharna , high activity at border shooting and firing and moving military units at border to stretch Armed forces

More noticable activites of bombings in balouchistan areas
 
Indian Logic:

When Pakistani government/Armyis busy - DESTABALIZE things further by supporting foreign elements
example: Wepons and money supply to gas pipeline destabalizers during the Pakistani activites against terrorist.

Similarly when there was dharna going on , DESTABALIZE things by moving army to north border

When things stabalize - the notion is to send a Agent , to Pakistan to discuss things and pretend nothing happened
Please elaborate your stance.
 
I see nothing constructive out here on this thread except....
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Jeeez!
 
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My take : It is true, we talk about firing at Border. To be true the Indian Media shows the Pakistan is Firing and the Pakistani Media shows India is firing. In India they say Pakistan is sending terrorist which seems to be true in a case, in Pakistan they say India is sending terrorists which hasn't been proven yest (No offense but truth) Both countries just play blame games, but Indian Leaders seems to be working on it rather just blaming but Pakistani leaders just seem to be sitting back and enjoying and there army and people suffer.

Second, war in not a chance, Pakistan cannot survive a war nor its is ready, India cannot afford to be at war while its economy is rising. Still, both countries talk about war like its age of empires. But, to be true Pakistan needs to understand they cannot survive war with India and thats the bitter truth. Instead of just playing blame game they should start constructive approach towards there citizens. Plus they need to stop trying to be like Arab nations, they need to be themselves have there own policies. Which is good for the country eliminate all the terrorist organisations.

Pakistani leaders need to do something or I think they are just sitting ducks are the people should next time form a constructive panel and appoint someone else.

Plus media needs to stop thinking about TRP and stop showing governmental agendas and show the truth rather than taking people away from it.
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What a bunch of bullshiit, so let's dissect this post and then I'll give you a conclusion. It's amazing how you mask every eff'd up thing that India does under the cover of "growth" and "stability":

1) Both India and Pakistan do terrorism inside each other's borders. The proofs that Indian media gives out, are proofs that can be made on a 1000 rupee scanner you can find on electronic stores. India is behind the Talibans and Baluch separatists doing terrorism in Pakistan, and Pakistan was behind Kashmiris. However Pakistan's involvement has decreased due to its Army's focus on Taliban related operations. While India is taking advantage of the situation and creating more fire across Pakistan. The proofs have been shown to the US government and others and that's why the US and the Britts pressured Modi to start peace talks again.

Now India's extremism Hindu government is further conducting violence inside India, which might create more violence and they should be worried and not kill their non Hindu minorities. But one Hindu nation's dream will cause thousands of minorities to be killed. That's what happens when you have religious nut cases running any government!!

2) Both India and Pakistan can NOT sustain a war as it will go nuclear very quickly. If India thinks it has the upper hand military wise, it's a pipe dream by its religious extremists running the country. Even minimal damage (and with over half Pakistan destroyed as many grandiose claims are made by the Indian members on here), your economy will suffer trillions of loss. Due to radiation fears, the West will stop investing, coming to India and the business's will move to China, Malaysia, Vietnam, The Philippines, etc, etc.

With just five major cities gone (20% of the educated population gone), India will never be in a position to be a global power against the Chinese. She'll need trillions to rebuild damaged infrastructure over two-three decades and it takes years for the radiation to clear up. I am not mentioning Pakistan as it'll be crippled in a nuke exchange.

So all in all, don't hide the real story by projecting bullshiit force and "economic growth" as excuses, instead of truly saying India can't win or sustain a war, as much as Pakistan can't. You can never become a regional power if a couple of your major cities got hit bad.

Bottom line, let the jingoism and grandiosity go. Both sides should solve issues so Pakistan can focus on eliminating terrorism and making peace inside and on the border. While India can also remain peaceful and grow to be a regional power soon. That will only happen when it stops Pakistan based operations). Someone needs to teach the concept of coexistence to both!!
 
A new chapter can start with handing of hafiz and lakvi. Else take a hike, not interested in any chapter.
 
[QUOTE="Georgeclark, post: 6854459,]



What a bunch of bullshiit, so let's dissect this post and then I'll give you a conclusion. It's amazing how you mask every eff'd up thing that India does under the cover of "growth" and "stability":

1) Both India and Pakistan do terrorism inside each other's borders. The proofs that Indian media gives out, are proofs that can be made on a 1000 rupee scanner you can find on electronic stores. India is behind the Talibans and Baluch separatists doing terrorism in Pakistan, and Pakistan was behind Kashmiris. However Pakistan's involvement has decreased due to its Army's focus on Taliban related operations. While India is taking advantage of the situation and creating more fire across Pakistan. The proofs have been shown to the US government and others and that's why the US and the Britts pressured Modi to start peace talks again.

Now India's extremism Hindu government is further conducting violence inside India, which might create more violence and they should be worried and not kill their non Hindu minorities. But one Hindu nation's dream will cause thousands of minorities to be killed. That's what happens when you have religious nut cases running any government!!

2) Both India and Pakistan can NOT sustain a war as it will go nuclear very quickly. If India thinks it has the upper hand military wise, it's a pipe dream by its religious extremists running the country. Even minimal damage (and with over half Pakistan destroyed as many grandiose claims are made by the Indian members on here), your economy will suffer trillions of loss. Due to radiation fears, the West will stop investing, coming to India and the business's will move to China, Malaysia, Vietnam, The Philippines, etc, etc.

With just five major cities gone (20% of the educated population gone), India will never be in a position to be a global power against the Chinese. She'll need trillions to rebuild damaged infrastructure over two-three decades and it takes years for the radiation to clear up. I am not mentioning Pakistan as it'll be crippled in a nuke exchange.

So all in all, don't hide the real story by projecting bullshiit force and "economic growth" as excuses, instead of truly saying India can't win or sustain a war, as much as Pakistan can't. You can never become a regional power if a couple of your major cities got hit bad.

Bottom line, let the jingoism and grandiosity go. Both sides should solve issues so Pakistan can focus on eliminating terrorism and making peace inside and on the border. While India can also remain peaceful and grow to be a regional power soon. That will only happen when it stops Pakistan based operations). Someone needs to teach the concept of coexistence to both!!
Here comes a another self framer.
 
India already started their chapter after NDA election.:D
 
this so called "new chapter" is onli to caress bruised egos in pakistan and thats it

when u want a meaning ful dailog you talk from your strenths not weaknesses and the party which is stronger will always want and perhaps get the things done the way it wants

as for pakistan well there can be no meaning full dailog cause pakistan wants what it has always wanted and india will never agree to that all else things like trade and people to people contact wont brake any ice ...period

so if pakistan wants better trade ties first it has to lift self imposed ban on trade with india and give india MFN status wich india already gave it almost one and half decade back and open trade routes to afghanistan and beyond till pakistan does all three withowt conditions there will be no progress as pakistan needs india more than india needs pakistan

i knowwhat i stated just now wont go well with pakistanies but things are like that and when USA leaves this area (which pakistanies beleve) then the biggest looser will alsobe pakistan


cause as of now pakistan has onli two things
1. China as an so called "all weather friend" : which now they also know they cant just survive on that no matter what mistakes they keep on making

2. strategik location as a doarman to cenral asia : which has no value till it opens them
 
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never argue or reason with a fool or he will bring you to his level and then beat you with his expearence
What's your military intelligence been doing in Afghanistan since 2003 ? If not meddling in Pakistan through afghanistan then what ?

India is protecting its interest. Afghanistan is our friend. Our presence is required there in the time of reconstruction of Afghanistan.
 
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