Pakistan, India cannot be enemies forever: Janjua

[GURU DUTT]

As I said before, that is only to India's own detriment. As an aspiring regional power, this conflict only weighs India down. India can look away all it wants but the specter of this conflict will continue to weigh on the country's drive to regional power status. You are keen to mention the US and Chinese establishment's muted response to the Indo-Pak problem, that is not a victory for you, they're more than glad to see you squabbling with us as it just serves to eliminate one potential rival from the race.

thing is what pakistan wants to give for is of no value to us and what pkistan wants for peace in not on the offer and under no circumstances pakistan can snatch that from us on its own and niether USA nor China is willing to help Pakistan in Snatching it from us nor does so called UNO so what can or what will pakistan do .... that is and that will the question that going to be asked as "bottom line"..... am i worng.... SIR

 

[third eye]

The problem lies in the fact that the Kashmir Issue has become intrinsic to the identity of both nations. For India, it its "Atootangh", for Pakistan it is its "Jugular Vein". In such a situation, either nation cannot simply forfeit its claim, lest the leader who did so be ready to be dragged from their office and lynched at the nearest chowk.
And unfortunately, that same issue is the source of all hostility and the bane of our two nations' existence. I can only imagine how different things would have been if Musharraf had stayed on for one or two more years and the Kasuri Model had been adopted. Perhaps I could have rode my bike to Laddakh :-/

Hmm.... Not to sure on the part in bold. However , I too would like to visit places like Kohat, Bannu, DI Khan , Nowshera & Quetta - places my Dad spoke of during pre partition days. I am aware its never going to happen & my son wouldn't be keen to visit places his Grand Dad spoke of, he'd rather travel to Europe.

On the K thing, in my opinion its neither a ' Atoot ang' or a " Jugular Vein". Its become an industry that exists not only on both sides but also the world over. A money spinner & source of enormous wealth & power which shall not be given up easily.

Closer home, there are countless across the Radcliffe line whose home & hearth runs on this. They make millions without doing a stroke of work.What they enjoy is what can be called ' Zaban- Ki - Kamai" - money made by merely wagging tongues. Their wagging tongues make people loose lives & limb & the fools that do do not realise the level of exploitation they are put through. For mere Rs 500 they throw stones & for a couple of lakhs they blow themselves up , they dont even live to know if the money is actually delivered.

Its a mess, only education & development can get us out of this.

 

[Icarus]

thing is what pakistan wants to give for is of no value to us and what pkistan wants for peace in not on the offer and under no circumstances pakistan can snatch that from us on its own and niether USA nor China is willing to help Pakistan in Snatching it from us nor does so called UNO so what can or what will pakistan do .... that is and that will the question that going to be asked as "bottom line"..... am i worng.... SIR

What Pakistan wants to give? Nothing.
What Pakistan wants? Just hold the referendum already so everyone can go do their thing.
Can Pakistan take Kashmir by force? Unlikely.
Are US and China willing to help 'snatch' Kashmir? Were they ever?
Is the UN willing to help 'snatch' Kashmir? Pretty sure 'snatching' is well past their mandate.
What can Pakistan do? Merely subsist with the existing state of affairs but that certainly isn't helping anyone.

The question isn't about what Pakistan or India can do, it is about what they should do.

Hmm.... Not to sure on the part in bold. However , I too would like to visit places like Kohat, Bannu, DI Khan , Nowshera & Quetta - places my Dad spoke of during pre partition days. I am aware its never going to happen & my son wouldn't be keen to visit places his Grand Dad spoke of, he'd rather travel to Europe.

On the K thing, in my opinion its neither a ' Atoot ang' or a " Jugular Vein". Its become an industry that exists not only on both sides but also the world over. A money spinner & source of enormous wealth & power which shall not be given up easily.

Closer home, there are countless across the Radcliffe line whose home & hearth runs on this. They make millions without doing a stroke of work.What they enjoy is what can be called ' Zaban- Ki - Kamai" - money made by merely wagging tongues. Their wagging tongues make people loose lives & limb & the fools that do do not realise the level of exploitation they are put through. For mere Rs 500 they throw stones & for a couple of lakhs they blow themselves up , they dont even live to know if the money is actually delivered.

Its a mess, only education & development can get us out of this.

Agreed, political mileage has made this issue a much bigger problem than it ever should have been. With regards to education and development, its a question of what comes first. I am of the opinion that it is important to resolve outstanding conflict before we can move on to that stage.

 

[GURU DUTT]

What Pakistan wants to give? Nothing.
What Pakistan wants? Just hold the referendum already so everyone can go do their thing.
Can Pakistan take Kashmir by force? Unlikely.
Are US and China willing to help 'snatch' Kashmir? Were they ever?
Is the UN willing to help 'snatch' Kashmir? Pretty sure 'snatching' is well past their mandate.
What can Pakistan do? Merely subsist with the existing state of affairs but that certainly isn't helping anyone.

The question isn't about what Pakistan or India can do, it is about what they should do.

does anybody cares what pakistan wants ? lolz India does not take pakistan seriously anymore and niether USA nor China forget UNO wants to meddle in this afair no matter how much paksiatn wants them to so Pakistan keeps raking up the issue and this latest hanging issue is just a provocation to get a desparate attention by pakistan when everything else failed but yet again oits going to fail again and even if pakistan is going to hang this so called "indian RAW Spy" then pakistan yet again is going to destroy any chances of back chanell diplomacy if ther were any period .

 

[ShadowCrisp]

our Fighting has destroyed Image of South Asians all over world. we fight like little kids, it's almost childish.

 

[Srinivas]

Neither of us can relocate either. So what's the plan?

Change the current dynamics with minimal loss on both sides !

 

[third eye]

With regards to education and development, its a question of what comes first

There can be no ambiguity, they both have to happen concurrently.

The conflict is only in the mind, Pak has to reconcile that K is never coming to it just like GB is never coming to India.

 

[XDescendantX]

Britain is responsible FIRST for the Pakistani-Indian animosity toward one another.

But India is at fault SECOND. They claim Pakistan took their land to create Pakistan. But how can people take land who have been living there from the very start? Obviously the Hindu's think just because they make up the majority, that all of the Sub-Continent belongs to them.

The people of the Sub-Continent came from the Indus Valley Civilization which is located around the Indus River which is located in PAKISTAN. So NO, Pakistan did not take Indian land. The people of the Sub-Continent were forced into one country by the British. It was called BRITISH INDIA, not India, there was no India before the British came. After the British left, the people of the Sub-Continent went their own ways and created their own countries based on religion.

If Pakistan and India do become friends it should only happen after Pakistan has given India a taste of their own medicine with interest. After Kashmir is freed, Pakistan should occupy Indian territory, the same size and for the same length of time India has occupied Kashmir. Then we will be even.

After this, if India refuses peace, then it will prove that India never really wanted ever lasting peace in the first place and Pakistan will never really be able to trust India. If the enemy can't accept an eye-for-an-eye, then friendship can not last.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

hahaha....like other threads..started with few mature , sane posts and then usual tu tu main main started...

 

[Icarus]

does anybody cares what pakistan wants ? lolz India does not take pakistan seriously anymore and niether USA nor China forget UNO wants to meddle in this afair no matter how much paksiatn wants them to so Pakistan keeps raking up the issue and this latest hanging issue is just a provocation to get a desparate attention by pakistan when everything else failed but yet again oits going to fail again and even if pakistan is going to hang this so called "indian RAW Spy" then pakistan yet again is going to destroy any chances of back chanell diplomacy if ther were any period .

Sure, whatever helps you feel better.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Sure, whatever helps you feel better.

im not important mate neither are people like me but nations are ... hope you get it

 

[Icarus]

There can be no ambiguity, they both have to happen concurrently.

The conflict is only in the mind, Pak has to reconcile that K is never coming to it just like GB is never coming to India.

Frankly, I'd be okay with declaring the LOC to be the international border and just moving on with life already but for that to happen, Kashmir has to be well and truly incorporated into the Indian Union. The task of moving on becomes difficult when Pakistani flags are paraded in Srinagar. In that regard, I believe India's strategy with regards to Kashmir needs work, as the former CM recently noted.

 

[Arsalan]

im not important mate neither are people like me but nations are ... hope you get it View attachment 390226

You know Guru is back when you start seeing less sensible words and more googled pictures and images along with the smilies in the posts.

Those who say time is the best teacher need see you post my friend.

 

[!eon]

Only real issue between India and Pakistan is Kashmir

 

[BHarwana]

Indian unjust greed over Kashmir will make many pay with their lives.