Pakistan increases military budget to 130 billion rupees

[RameeX Xaved]

If some of us are sane enough and do not believe on the lies that you love to live by -- suddenly, in your eyes, those saner elements become Indians! Grow up my friend this not the school play yard where you get childish joy by calling names!!!!!!

Learn to live with differentiating views -- that is the hallmark of mature human being and nations -- and not start labeling others as "Indians," "Kafirs," etc.

What I have written on the Afghan War is true -- it has been debated upon in the book "Taliban" and the later work "Descent into Chaos." However, if you care for a trashy source than you must watch the "Mere Mutabiq" show on GEO last week where Gen Hameed Gul (ISI fame) himself clearly spelt it out how we engaged Haqqani, Hykmatyar, and Ahmed Shah Masood three years before the Soviet invasion and manipulated some key Americans in the US senate to back us in the war which we were already fighting way before the Americans came.

In the end, a word of advice--try to read some good Pakistani sources on the major events in the history of our country ("Crossed Swords" is another good one) and also some foreign works. The truth lies somewhere in the middle my friend!!!

it just sickens me to see how lame indians look when disguised as pakistanese

 

[MastanKhan]

Without meaning to be rude or hurting my Pakistani brothers and sisters I hope my take on this is taken in a positive manner. I feel that Pakistan military is eating up this country! We don't need F-16s, Cobras and Atom bombs. If only we spent half the money that we spend on our military, say on education and healthcare; We wdnt be in the sort of mess we are in today!! They have radicalised a whole generation, literally crippled the whole system either by colluding with the corrupt politicians indirectly or by direct control of the state. The English gave us independence and since then military has enslaved us! Every country has an army and Pakistani army is perhaps one of the only armies in the world that has a whole country at its disposal! Use it as you will, If you don't do what army wants, then you are done! But my voice I know will not be materialised and it will carry on like this .. like it always has.. Buy more fighter jets, more military equipment, make more atom bombs, perhaps get a few more cobras, increase the pay roll of our beloved army.. but where will it stop?! or will it ever?! I hope not when there is nothing more left....

And people please don't get me wrong. I love my country and two of my brothers are serving the armed forces of this great country and therefore it hurts me even more... I hope we realise before its too late!

Hi,

We can't keep blaming the army for our ills that are form and propped up by the civilians. The army is also human, bred and fed on the same diet as the civilians.

The actions of the army show the failure of the civilians---the civilians can blame the army all they want, but the truth is that there is no civilian officer training academy that pops out men and women who are disciplined enough and ready enough to do their jobs in an honest manner.

The civilian side always has been showing a total lack of discipline. There is no training school for elected members---it is all me me and me. There is no concept of discipline in any form of the civilian govt. The civilians have no concept of direction and have no goals in their minds about the welfare of the nation. The only goals that they have is to fill their pockets.

Unless the mindset of the civilians changes in how to run and manage a govt in a productive manner, the millitary will get involved one way or the other. The civilians have to get their house in order first and foremost.

 

[RiazHaq]

Without meaning to be rude or hurting my Pakistani brothers and sisters I hope my take on this is taken in a positive manner. I feel that Pakistan military is eating up this country! We don't need F-16s, Cobras and Atom bombs. If only we spent half the money that we spend on our military, say on education and healthcare; We wdnt be in the sort of mess we are in today!! They have radicalised a whole generation, literally crippled the whole system either by colluding with the corrupt politicians indirectly or by direct control of the state. The English gave us independence and since then military has enslaved us! Every country has an army and Pakistani army is perhaps one of the only armies in the world that has a whole country at its disposal! Use it as you will, If you don't do what army wants, then you are done! But my voice I know will not be materialised and it will carry on like this .. like it always has.. Buy more fighter jets, more military equipment, make more atom bombs, perhaps get a few more cobras, increase the pay roll of our beloved army.. but where will it stop?! or will it ever?! I hope not when there is nothing more left....

And people please don't get me wrong. I love my country and two of my brothers are serving the armed forces of this great country and therefore it hurts me even more... I hope we realise before its too late!

While I sympathize with your arguments, I have to say that things could get a lot worse if Pakistan goes ahead with unilateral disarmament.

India continues to threaten Pakistan, with most of its forces on Pakistan's eastern borders. And it just raised it defense budget by 8.3% on top of the 34% increase last year.

In spite of having 270 million illiterate adults, the world's largest population of illiterates, India is among the top military spenders in the world with a budget of $ 32 billion, more than 6 times Pak budge.

India has over 6000 tanks, and it is inconceivable that these tanks will roll over the Himalayas to invade China. These tanks are meant to invade Pakistan in the plains of Punjab and the deserts of Sind.

Haq's Musings: FAQs on India's Massive 34% Defense Budget Hike

 

[karan.1970]

While I sympathize with your arguments, I have to say that things could get a lot worse if Pakistan goes ahead with unilateral disarmament.

India continues to threaten Pakistan, with most of its forces on Pakistan's eastern borders. And it just raised it defense budget by 8.3% on top of the 34% increase last year.

In spite of having 270 million illiterate adults, the world's largest population of illiterates, India is among the top military spenders in the world with a budget of $ 32 billion, more than 6 times Pak budge.

India has over 6000 tanks, and it is inconceivable that these tanks will roll over the Himalayas to invade China. These tanks are meant to invade Pakistan in the plains of Punjab and the deserts of Sind.

Haq's Musings: FAQs on India's Massive 34% Defense Budget Hike

What use is Pakistan's nuclear deterant if it has to match or counter India's military spend..?? After all isnt that deterant supposed to prevent India from attacking??

 

[RiazHaq]

What use is Pakistan's nuclear deterant if it has to match or counter India's military spend..?? After all isnt that deterant supposed to prevent India from attacking??

Lowering the nuclear threshold as an alternative for gaping conventional gap will make the nuclear war inevitable in South Asia. Surely, you don't want that.

 

[Luftwaffe]

AZADPAKISTAN2009...It all started from Musharraf he was not thinking 15 Years ahead and was not competent enough to negotiate with us..
He agreed to join after 9/11 good i say that was the only option..BUT
Pakistan First! this may seems hilarious but a demand to write off of Pakistan's debt and $30 billion for 10+ Years to fight war on terror should have been demanded..

 

[Vasily Zaytsev]

Bhai Log!!!..... could some body help me here

I had requested following information in my earlier post.

can any one from Pakistan shed some light on how this defence budget is spent

what i specifically wanted to know is what happens when some of the defense budget remains unspent in a year?

whether it is returned back to the government? how the unspent amount is accounted for?

 

[TaimiKhan]

Bhai Log!!!..... could some body help me here

I had requested following information in my earlier post.

can any one from Pakistan shed some light on how this defence budget is spent

what i specifically wanted to know is what happens when some of the defense budget remains unspent in a year?

whether it is returned back to the government? how the unspent amount is accounted for?

The raise in the new budget would be going for raise in the salary of the soldiers w.e.f 01/01/2010, but it would be the lesser part, the majority of the allocation would be going for the operations happening in different tribal areas. As 50Billion was already allocated additionally in the June budget, additional money is required as the US has withheld 1Billion+ US$s in the CSF program, thus we spend from our own resources and when the CSF release the amount, this additional raise in defence budget it gets adjusted through these released funds. So its basically not a raise in the defence budget, it can be termed as a temporary spike in the budget, and they money is then returned.

Never heard of unspent budget, as if some additional amount is even left (which i doubt) it would be used for either purchasing new equipment or can even be used to settle credit taken on purchasing different equipments or can be used for more local equipment production or infrastructure construction.

 

[Vasily Zaytsev]

Thanks Taimikhan

The reason I asked about the unspent amount because here in India there have been many instances when the Armed forces returned the unspent amount of the allocated budget back to the Government. Infact from time to time many of the state governments also return back the unspent amount back to the cetral government.

I am only interested in understanding how the budgeting and accounting processes work in pakistan so that I could see are there any similarities between the systems of the both countries.

I would be thankful if you could find out what is done with the unspent amount whether in defence or otherwise

 

[TaimiKhan]

Thanks Taimikhan

The reason I asked about the unspent amount because here in India there have been many instances when the Armed forces returned the unspent amount of the allocated budget back to the Government. Infact from time to time many of the state governments also return back the unspent amount back to the cetral government.

I am only interested in understanding how the budgeting and accounting processes work in pakistan so that I could see are there any similarities between the systems of the both countries.

I would be thankful if you could find out what is done with the unspent amount whether in defence or otherwise

Well as for the unspent amount regarding the other ministries, well it is returned back to the finance ministry. So when june is near you will see lot of news items coming up saying which and which ministry hasn't used up all the budget and they are racing to utilize the budget and many times we see such ministries throwing away money, becoz if huge amount of budget is returned back, next year the ministry budget is reduced becoz they couldn't utilize their last budget then why give them more in new year.

As for defence, very little is known publicly about its break up, only last years macro figure were provided as what is the share of each service and where would the money go in macro figures. We already have very low defence budget compared to the requirements, thus i doubt any surplus is left, so no returning back to the govt, but as i said, if something is even left, it will be utilized in one thing or another.

 

[AVIAN]

And why do we need to understand what one of the indians is saying who themselves claim to finish pakistan in a matter of 2 days? who is pursuing the anti-pakistani sentiments now? who's army general is dreaming about a possible nuclear war started by india..? look who's lecturing us!!
pathetic hypocrites!

India never claimed to finish Pakistan in matter of two days, it was never its agenda rather you should say that it is to maintain peace and harmony between the two nation. The living example of the same is Pakistan's repeated insistance to India to join hands to fight terror.

 

[Arsalan]

Pakistan must immediately try to develop/procure some good SAMs as this is a department that have been neglected and now we lack in SAM abilities!!

regards!

 

[Aamir Hussain]

it just sickens me to see how lame indians look when disguised as pakistanese

Rameez Javed Sahib check out part 4 of the Mere Mutabiq of Feb 21st, 2010 before passing childish judgements. In fact you and the "Ice Man" should watch the whole show of 21st Feb to find out where our national strategic policy is formulated!!!!

In case you feel I am still wrong than maybe you and Ice Man can enlighten all of us on how Strategic Vision/Direction is formualted in this our land of pure!!!!

 

[Trisonics]

Security spending pushes up budget deficit by 62pc



ISLAMABAD: Marked by over Rs93 billion higher grants for security-related spending, Pakistan’s current expenditure rose by more than 15 per cent and the budget deficit by about 62 per cent during the first half of the current fiscal year.

According to provisional data on half-yearly (July-Dec) budgetary operations released by the finance ministry, the government’s current expenditure stood at Rs1,058.6 billion against Rs919 billion during the same period in last fiscal year, showing an increase of 15 per cent.

The normal defence expenditure rose by 12 per cent to Rs166 billion during the first six months of the current fiscal from Rs148 billion of the same period last year.

A finance ministry official said that additional expenditure on security operations in Malakand division and the tribal region had separately been made part of grants that increased by 232 per cent (Rs93.4 billion) to Rs134 billion in six months of the current fiscal year. The figure for the corresponding period during the previous year was Rs40 billion.

Spending on public order and safety affairs also went up by 48 per cent to Rs166 billion from Rs139 billion.

This was, however, more than the amount compensated through over 292 per cent increase in profits earned by State Bank, which stood at Rs135 billion this year against last year’s Rs34.4 billion - a spike of Rs101 billion. Yet the government’s overall budget deficit during the first six months crossed Rs403 billion - a rise of 61.6 per cent over last year’s Rs249.5 billion.

The country’s total revenue during the first half of the current fiscal year stood at Rs910 billion, up by about nine per cent, against last year’s Rs834.5 billion. This included tax revenue of Rs659 billion, up by 14 per cent. But provincial tax revenue was down by 7.7 per cent when compared with the same period last year.

Interestingly, the federal revenue collection through direct taxes improved by a negligible 0.6 per cent in the first six months while indirect taxes increased by 23 per cent or over Rs79 billion.

Revenue collection through petroleum levy in six months stood at Rs52 billion, up by about 80 per cent, against Rs28.8 billion of the same period last year. The government collected about Rs87 billion on account of surcharges, levies and royalties on oil and gas against Rs69 billion of the same period last year, showing an increase of 26 per cent. This, however, did not include 16 per cent general sales tax on the sale of all oil and gas products.

The development expenditure and net lending in six months stood at Rs239.4 billion against Rs133 billion in the same period last year, showing an increase of 80 per cent or Rs107 billion. Spending under the Public Sector Development Programme amounted to Rs175.5 billion against Rs122 billion of last year, showing an increase of about 43 per cent. The federal PSDP expenditure increased by 41 per cent to Rs103 billion while provincial PSDP spending improved by 49 per cent to Rs73 billion.

Total debt-servicing during the first six months of the current fiscal year stood at Rs294 billion against Rs300 billion in the same period last year.

 

[IND151]

PAK ARMY SHOULD HUNT TALIBAN.