'Pakistan has one of the biggest talent pools for MMA in the world'

[Cherokee]

Pakistani genes and indian genes are not the same thing. The Pakistani "genes" have already produced a world champion boxer, Amir Khan. If indians have the same genes as us then they would have produced at least 7 boxers of Amir Khan's calibre.

India has won more boxing and wrestling medals in Olympics than Pakistan will in next 50 years .
Only Pakistanis performing are in UK not in Pakistan .

 

[ZenBird]

History disagree with you. No man beat him.

As for the rest, whites live in developed countries, food isn't an issue, and training opportunities abound. The sub-continent suffered colonisation for 200 years.
The blacks? Do tell me how many champions we see form Africa proper, or even gold medal winners in wrestling, judo etc. I can tell you none. The reason for it, the same thing i.e. diet and poor prospects. It's only the black folk in Western countries who get through, again they have the same opportunities as their white counterparts.
Pakistanis in the UK have gone onto world level and won in kickboxing, boxing and full contact karate.

Yeah our Gamas, Dara Singhs were strong but they didn't have MMA type of body. I'm not saying we are unable to get good at MMA, I'm just lamenting that some people have a genetic advantage and have to work less than us, that's all. Food and equipment is definitely a factor as well, I agree.

Pakistani genes and indian genes are not the same thing. The Pakistani "genes" have already produced a world champion boxer, Amir Khan. If indians have the same genes as us then they would have produced at least 7 boxers of Amir Khan's calibre.

Bro, Pakistani genes and Indian genes aren't a disjoint set. As you probably know, some North Indians (Sikh Punjabi/Haryanvi Jatts) are pretty much same as some Pakistanis and then obviously a Bihari and a South Indian is going to be different. As for boxers, Haryanvis are doing decent in wrestling and boxing. Anyway, compared to the rest of the subcontinent (Non Punjabi Indians, Bangladeshis) we are at an advantage obviously.

I'm not trying to be controversial or even get into a debate, I thought the point I'm making would be obvious.

 

[waz]

Isnt the first picture is of Gama Pehalwan ??

Both are my friend. He is a legend to all of the sub-contient.

 

[Crixus]

No doubt about that Gama the great is real forefathers of freestyle wrestling in Subcontinent and the poster boy of all current day wrestlers ...I herad his name first time from my grand father.

Waz sir you met him personally ??

Both are my friend. He is a legend to all of the sub-contient.

 

[ZenBird]

No doubt about that Gama the great is real forefathers of freestyle wrestling in Subcontinent and the poster boy of all current day wrestlers ...I herad his name first time from my grand father.

Waz sir you met him personally ??

lol he died in 1960. He was from Amritsar and enjoyed the patronage of Maharaja of Patiala.

 

[waz]

Yeah our Gamas, Dara Singhs were strong but they didn't have MMA type of body. I'm not saying we are unable to get good at MMA, I'm just lamenting that some people have a genetic advantage and have to work less than us, that's all. Food and equipment is definitely a factor as well, I agree.
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There isn't an MMA body my friend. Above is one of the greatest fighters that ever lived, Fedor, at his peak.

Here is Stipe, the current UFC heavy weight champion. It's about being fit and strong, muscled bodies do not always equate to that.

Bro, Pakistani genes and Indian genes aren't a disjoint set. As you probably know, some North Indians (Sikh Punjabi/Haryanvi Jatts) are pretty much same as some Pakistanis and then obviously a Bihari and a South Indian is going to be different. As for boxers, Haryanvis are doing decent in wrestling and boxing. Anyway, compared to the rest of the subcontinent (Non Punjabi Indians, Bangladeshis) we are at an advantage obviously.

I'm not trying to be controversial or even get into a debate, I thought the point I'm making would be obvious.

See you answered the question yourself bro, Pakistanis and North Indians do have those genetics. But i'd agree that others are at a slight disadvantage due to height and weight. But the greatest factor is still training and diet, that overrides everything.

No doubt about that Gama the great is real forefathers of freestyle wrestling in Subcontinent and the poster boy of all current day wrestlers ...I herad his name first time from my grand father.

Waz sir you met him personally ??

Gamma's name will forever be mentioned in the mixed martial arts community and of course the halls of wrestling. He was the real deal and took out everyone in the world.
I wish I had met him my friend.

 

[WhyCry]

There isn't an MMA body my friend. Above is one of the greatest fighters that ever lived, Fedor, at his peak.

Here is Stipe, the current UFC heavy weight champion. It's about being fit and strong, muscled bodies do not always equate to that.





See you answered the question yourself bro, Pakistanis and North Indians do have those genetics. But i'd agree that others are at a slight disadvantage due to height and weight. But the greatest factor is still training and diet, that overrides everything.



Gamma's name will forever be mentioned in the mixed martial arts community and of course the halls of wrestling. He was the real deal and took out everyone in the world.
I wish I had met him my friend.

MMA is more about skill and luck.... UFC has a history with these changing champions.

But yes, Anderson, johnson and Cruz are awesome longtime champs without adding muscle.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

India has won more boxing and wrestling medals in Olympics than Pakistan will in next 50 years .
Only Pakistanis performing are in UK not in Pakistan .

Which means that Pakistani genes allow for sporting prowess but the nurturing given by the Pakistani state is holding us back.

Considering the fact that india is at least 7× bigger than Pakistan you would expect you people to have won more at the Olympics. Not to mention the fact that Pakistan has a non-existent infrastructure for developing Olympic talent wheras india does.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yeah our Gamas, Dara Singhs were strong but they didn't have MMA type of body. I'm not saying we are unable to get good at MMA, I'm just lamenting that some people have a genetic advantage and have to work less than us, that's all. Food and equipment is definitely a factor as well, I agree.



Bro, Pakistani genes and Indian genes aren't a disjoint set. As you probably know, some North Indians (Sikh Punjabi/Haryanvi Jatts) are pretty much same as some Pakistanis and then obviously a Bihari and a South Indian is going to be different. As for boxers, Haryanvis are doing decent in wrestling and boxing. Anyway, compared to the rest of the subcontinent (Non Punjabi Indians, Bangladeshis) we are at an advantage obviously.

I'm not trying to be controversial or even ginto a debate, I thought the point I'm making would be obvious.

The only indians that have any commonality with Pakistanis are Punjabis. But they make no more than 2.5% of india's population and 60% of Pakistan's. Therefore at least 97.5% of indians have no genetic connection to Pakistan whatsoever. At least 30% of Pakistan's population are Baloch/Persian & Pushtun. We also share a province with Iran aswell. So by that definition, Pakistanis have the same genes as Afghans & Iranians yet the Iranians have played world cup football and Pakistan hasn't.

 

[ZenBird]

The only indians that have any commonality with Pakistanis are Punjabis. But they make no more than 2.5% of india's population and 60% of Pakistan's. Therefore at least 97.5% of indians have no genetic connection to Pakistan whatsoever. At least 30% of Pakistan's population is Baloch/Persian & Pushtun. We also share a province with Iran aswell. So by that definition, Pakistanis have the same genes as Afghans & Iranians yet the Iranians have played world cup football and Pakistan hasn't.

I agree with you buddy, the few percentage that has similarities with Pakistan produces the most medals in contact sports like Boxing and Wrestling. Rest of the medals are in shooting, badminton which are not relevant to this thread although I'm not saying they are not an achievement.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Most Pakistani and Indian genes are not good for fitness/body building compared to African and White genes. We have to train double hard to get the same results

Are you mad...?

I've lived for years in Canada, America, Pakistan. Young people on average are all pretty much the same in terms of fitness and body.

 

[ZenBird]

Are you mad...?

I've lived for years in Canada, America, Pakistan. Young people on average are all pretty much the same in terms of fitness and body.

No need to be rude buddy.

I disagree, I workout everyday and some of my friends are white. They have a much easier time getting a six pack than me and other Punjabi friends. Anyway, my intention is not to troll or even debate. If you have great genes and have an easy time getting ripped, good for you. I'm jealous.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The only indians that have any commonality with Pakistanis are Punjabis. But they make no more than 2.5% of india's population and 60% of Pakistan's. Therefore at least 97.5% of indians have no genetic connection to Pakistan whatsoever. At least 30% of Pakistan's population are Baloch/Persian & Pushtun. We also share a province with Iran aswell. So by that definition, Pakistanis have the same genes as Afghans & Iranians yet the Iranians have played world cup football and Pakistan hasn't.

10/10

*I love your no nonsense style, straight to the point. Inspiring - the only way to deal with Gangas. No pretention. Keep it up !

This Venn diagram sum's it up.

 

[Cherokee]

Which means that Pakistani genes allow for sporting prowess but the nurturing given by the Pakistani state is holding us back.

Considering the fact that india is at least 7× bigger than Pakistan you would expect you people to have won more at the Olympics. Not to mention yhe fact that Pakistan has a non-existent infrastructure for developing Olympic talent wheras india does.

You were saying in your previous statements Pakistanis win and Indians don't when i proved you wrong you are trying to weasel out of it by comparing infrastructure . Indian sports infrastructure sucks in everything except cricket .

 

[ZenBird]

10/10

*I love your no nonsense style, straight to the point. Inspiring - the only way to deal with Gangas. No pretention. Keep it up !

This Venn diagram sum's it up.

This is self evident to Punjabis on both sides of the border I think although the separation between Punjabis and non Punjabis isn't as clear cut as your diagram seems to convey. I'll let it go though because I'm more alike a Pakistani than a Bihari or South Indian as a Punjabi with ancestry in what is now Pakistan