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Why the Durand Line Matters
It is time for Kabul to accept the legality of the border.

By Arwin Rahi
February 21, 2014


Afghan officials have at times accused Pakistan of being less than honest in pushing the Afghan Taliban for talks with Kabul. Before making such statements, those same officials should also try to understand Pakistan’s deep concerns about Afghanistan’s stance on their common border. At present, Afghanistan does not officially recognize the international border with Pakistan. Instead, it has territorial claims on areas stretching from the Afghan-Pakistan border to the Indus River, all told comprising nearly 60 percent of Pakistani territory.

This border dispute has its roots in the nineteenth century, when Pakistan was part of India and India was a British colony. The British imposed the 2640 km borderline on the Amir of Afghanistan in 1893 in a bid to strengthen the former’s control over the northern parts of India. The agreement was signed between Sir Mortimer Durand, the Indian Foreign Secretary at the time, and Amir Abdur Rahman Khan in Kabul. The line is thus known as the Durand Line, and runs through Pashtun territory.

According to the Durand Line agreement, Afghanistan relinquished a few districts, including Swat, Chitral and Chageh, although it gained other areas, Nuristan and Asmar, for instance, which it had historically not controlled. The agreement, at least on paper, for the first time demarcated where the Indo-Afghan border started and ended. Before the Durand Line agreement, both India and Afghanistan would make incursions into each other’s domain of influence, frequently sparking border tensions.

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In contrast to many historical accounts, Afghanistan did recognize the Durand Line as an international border. Abdur Rahman Khan’s successor, Amir Habibullah Khan, in 1905 signed a new agreement with Britain confirming the legality of the Durand Line. More importantly, article 5 of the Anglo-Afghan Treaty of 1919, on the basis of which Afghanistan reclaimed its independence, says that Afghanistan accepted all previously agreed border arrangements with India. Unlike the previous two agreements, the Anglo-Afghan Treaty was not imposed by Britain. Afghanistan as an independent state agreed to recognize the Durand Line as an international border.

After the founding of Pakistan in 1947, Afghanistan demanded that Pashtuns living on the Pakistani side of the Durand Line be given the right to self-determination. Unsurprisingly, both Britain and Pakistan refused. In response, the Afghan government then began to ignore the Durand Line and instead assert claims over territories that lay between the line and the Indus River.

As a consequence, relations with Pakistan became tense, and this in turn influenced U.S.-Afghan relations in the 1950s and 1960s. Once Pakistan struck an arms deal with the U.S., Kabul realized that the balance of power between Pakistan and Afghanistan had shifted in favor of Pakistan. Hence, in the 1950s Afghanistan, too, approached Washington seeking military assistance and arms sales.

The U.S. demanded that Afghanistan improve its relations with Pakistan and join the Central Treaty Organization (CENTO), of which Pakistan was a founding member, to contain the Soviet Union. Given its location on the Soviet border, Afghanistan declined. In the meantime, Kabul needed modern arms to balance Pakistan’s growing military power. So it turned to the Soviet Union.

Moscow willingly sold arms to Afghanistan and agreed to train Afghan military personnel. As time went by, this dependence on the Soviet Union increased. Estimates show that the Soviet Union gave Afghanistan $2.5 billion in military and economic aid between 1953 and 1978. In addition, thousands of Afghans went to military schools in the Soviet Union between 1953 and 1978—the very officers who staged two coups in 1973 and 1978, paving the way for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979.

Over the last several decades Afghanistan has suffered enormously from the Durand Line tensions. Afghanistan’s Cold War relations with the former Soviet Union ultimately led to invasion by the Red Army. Pakistan has tried to install a client regime in Kabul. Thousands of terrorists have crossed the Durand Line from Pakistan over the last decade and killed large numbers of Afghans. The Pakistani army has shelled areas in eastern Afghanistan, claiming they were shelling Pakistani territory.

Pakistan has been reluctant to engage honestly with Afghanistan on any issue, from trade to peace talks, because of a lack of trust. The Afghan government loses revenue each year as thousands of people—mainly Afghans—illegally cross the border without a visa, avoiding taxes. Tons of illegal goods are smuggled across the border annually, a further loss for the Afghanistan economy.

Many Afghans still dream—Pashtuns in particular—that one day they might reclaim the territories their forefathers lost between the Durand Line and the Indus River. That, of course, is unrealistic: the country lacks the political, economic and military means to pursue any such claim. At any rate, the 30 million Pakistani Pashtuns would appear to have little motivation to join the 15 million Afghan Pashtuns. For more than half a century, Pashtuns have played significant roles in civilian and military life in Pakistan. Why leave that for a barely functioning Afghanistan?

There are multiple examples of ethnic groups living in two or more countries. Kurds, Balochis, Tajiks, Germans, to name a few, live in two or more countries. Afghans must recognize and embrace the fact that the same ethnic group can live in more than one country.

The new Afghan president taking office in the spring should immediately review Afghanistan’s foreign policy toward Pakistan. The time has come for Afghans to once again recognize the Durand Line as the international border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Doing so would bring an end to the protracted border dispute with Pakistan, a precondition for real Pakistani cooperation in the Afghan peace process.

Having recognized the Durand Line, Afghanistan should immediately demarcate the border and fence it. This would prevent Taliban incursions and help control both smuggling and illegal flows of people. As an added benefit, the Pakistan military would no longer have the justification to shell Afghan villages once the fences are in place.

Arwin Rahi is a Fulbright fellow at Texas A&M University’s George Bush School of Government and Public Service. He worked as an adviser to the Parwan governor in 2012-13, and has an MA in politics and security from OSCE Academy with a focus on Central Asia and Afghanistan.
http://thediplomat.com/2014/02/why-the-durand-line-matters/

This will shut you up Peshwa.

The Durand line is the legitimate border of Pakistan and Afghanistan.

sure...
https://www.dawn.com/news/1318594

Afghanistan will never recognise the Durand Line: Hamid Karzai
 
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You add insult to insult. So it was not inadvertent, it was deliberate and meant for what it appeared to be. I am glad that you have decided to be honest, although it took some time.

@war&peace

Here you have your 'decent poster', with his duplicity and his air of innocence gone. I hope you feel proud of yourself.

Not all Hindus are baniyas
But Indian deep state Hindus are baniya.

The Hindu capitalists of 1947.

Why are you denying your own past and your future?
 
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It was not the number of each nationality, it was the decorum and courtesy maintained. Your own individual decorum and courtesy are at rock bottom, and the only reason that you bring up that this is a Pakistani forum is to hide your bad manners behind that flimsy excuse.

This is a defence forum.

Not a love jihad forum.
 
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Not all Hindus are baniyas
But Indian deep state Hindus are baniya.

The Hindu capitalists of 1947.

Why are you denying your own past and your future?

When an ignorant man spouts rubbish, it needs to be denied. The only deep state around is in your country, not in mine. We have a transparent system, in most respects; 'the boys' don't take decisions, and then have the rest of the country humping around trying to legitimise it.

Try not to hide your openly racist attitude behind grand phrases.

This is a defence forum.

Not a love jihad forum.

I think I know more about this forum than you do.
 
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When an ignorant man spouts rubbish, it needs to be denied. The only deep state around is in your country, not in mine. We have a transparent system, in most respects; 'the boys' don't take decisions, and then have the rest of the country humping around trying to legitimise it.

Try not to hide your openly racist attitude behind grand phrases.



I think I know more about this forum than you do.


The deep state is not just military.

Pakistan was divided between a Hindu majority capitalist Raj vs a Muslim Dominion of states.

So try and understand before the Indian outbursts.

Get your house in order as its spreading on Pakistani forum is my message to my Indian counterpart.

This is not a personal interaction as i said I address you as Indian or India in my posts not you as a person.
 
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The deep state is not just military.

Pakistan was divided between a Hindu majority capitalist Raj vs a Muslim Dominion of states.

So try and understand before the Indian outbursts.

Get your house in order as its spreading on Pakistani forum is my message to my Indian counterpart.

This is not a personal interaction as i said I address you as Indian or India in my posts not you as a person.

LOL .... are you attempting to view India from a 75 year old lens ? :cheesy:

Are you for real ? This is the funniest thing I have heard so far.
 
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LOL .... are you attempting to view India from a 75 year old lens ? :cheesy:

Are you for real ? This is the funniest thing I have heard so far.

Baniye ki fitrat nahi badalti.

70 years is nothing at state level.

No. I am a computer generated Pakistani on a Pakistani forum.
 
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The funny thing here is that the poster in question sees no problem in using the term Baniya since he/she doesn't see it as an insult. But replied in the same coin and being called a "p-a-k-I" gets the panties in a twist...
Maybe they need to see that the reason why the term **** gets them riled up is the same reason why we find the term Baniya insulting...

Baniya is the equivalent of referring to all jews as Shylock or Kike...But to them its something we should just shut up and accept..Not happening!

Funny thing is you using a slur word that's associated in a derogatory manner for your own people in England where it originated
Lol

**** bashing is when drunk whote guys used to go kick in Asian peoples doors after pubs were shut
**** shop is a shop owned by an Indian Pakistani Bangladeshi
**** doctor the same
**** bitch
**** bastard all slur words from England to all sub continent people
 
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The deep state is not just military.

Pakistan was divided between a Hindu majority capitalist Raj vs a Muslim Dominion of states.

So try and understand before the Indian outbursts.

First read your history. Both Dominions were created out of the British Indian Crown Colony. Both were enlarged by the accession of 561 Indian princely states. Of these, 553 opted for India, 8 for Pakistan. How did you conclude that the Dominion of India was constituted out of a capitalist raj? If India had Bombay and Madras and Calcutta and Delhi, Pakistan had Lahore, Karachi and Dhaka, proportionately far higher than her population indicated.

So where did the capitalists vanish, in the case of Pakistan? Surely, Karachi, Lahore and Dhaka had enough trade and commerce, and therefore, enough of capitalists. Where was Habib, where were the Adamjees, where are the rest of the 22 business dominating families?

https://paycheck.pk/main/salary/celebrity-income/richest-families-in-pakistan

Get your house in order as its spreading on Pakistani forum is my message to my Indian counterpart.

What is that supposed to mean? What house? This is a Pakistani forum, and there is nothing else, no house, so what are you babbling about? Are you now trying to reconstruct a marvelous story to account for your abuse? If so, please do not insult our intelligence, and please concoct a better story.

This is not a personal interaction as i said I address you as Indian or India in my posts not you as a person.

And that remark is even more peculiar. Are you now telling us that you can insult Indians and India, and Indians who are members here are supposed to look aside and pretend that they themselves are Choctaw Indians?

Tell me, do you read what you write before pressing the 'SEND' button?

Funny thing is you using a slur word that's associated in a derogatory manner for your own people in England where it originated
Lol

**** bashing is when drunk whote guys used to go kick in Asian peoples doors after pubs were shut
**** shop is a shop owned by an Indian Pakistani Bangladeshi
**** doctor the same
**** bitch
**** bastard all slur words from England to all sub continent people

Interesting whom they chose to represent the most contemptible, according to what you yourself have just said. For myself, I am Indian, and live in India; I do not know these fascinating things, and, having been told by a friend that this is a word used as a slur, I do not use it.
 
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What about RSS and Hindutva parties in India.

Hinduism does have it's bad apples as well. ;)

Of course it does! Bad apples exist within every religion!

But the level of export of bad apples to non-Islamic countries is what is the issue here.
Islam maybe the fastest growing religion in the world, but the bad apples of Islam have given the entire bushel a bad name. Hinduism plagued with a lot of problems has a very well manicured image world over.
 
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First read your history. Both Dominions were created out of the British Indian Crown Colony. Both were enlarged by the accession of 561 Indian princely states. Of these, 553 opted for India, 8 for Pakistan. How did you conclude that the Dominion of India was constituted out of a capitalist raj? If India had Bombay and Madras and Calcutta and Delhi, Pakistan had Lahore, Karachi and Dhaka, proportionately far higher than her population indicated.

So where did the capitalists vanish, in the case of Pakistan? Surely, Karachi, Lahore and Dhaka had enough trade and commerce, and therefore, enough of capitalists. Where was Habib, where were the Adamjees, where are the rest of the 22 business dominating families?

https://paycheck.pk/main/salary/celebrity-income/richest-families-in-pakistan



What is that supposed to mean? What house? This is a Pakistani forum, and there is nothing else, no house, so what are you babbling about? Are you now trying to reconstruct a marvelous story to account for your abuse? If so, please do not insult our intelligence, and please concoct a better story.



And that remark is even more peculiar. Are you now telling us that you can insult Indians and India, and Indians who are members here are supposed to look aside and pretend that they themselves are Choctaw Indians?

Tell me, do you read what you write before pressing the 'SEND' button?



Interesting whom they chose to represent the most contemptible, according to what you yourself have just said. For myself, I am Indian, and live in India; I do not know these fascinating things, and, having been told by a friend that this is a word used as a slur, I do not use it.

I cannot spoon feed the whole billion lot or all Indians here.

I am just going to throw keywords and let you play your own kaun banega crorepati.

1947
Partition
Hindu baniya


Industrialist capitalist caste system quota system
 
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Interesting whom they chose to represent the most contemptible, according to what you yourself have just said. For myself, I am Indian, and live in India; I do not know these fascinating things, and, having been told by a friend that this is a word used as a slur, I do not use it.[/QUOTE-]



. During the 1970s and 1980s Britain was faced with a wave of racist violence. This included racist ‘****’ bashing gangs, often of drunken white youth, for whom ‘****’ meant any Asian. Many people were murdered, including taxi drivers, students and restaurant workers. Mosques, Gurdwaras and temples were attacked. Fascist organisations like the National Front, often protected by thousands of police officers, tried to march through Asian areas. Asian youth of that period began to organise, and fought back against the racists. In this process they came into conflict with the police.
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. During the 1970s and 1980s Britain was faced with a wave of racist violence. This included racist ‘****’ bashing gangs, often of drunken white youth, for whom ‘****’ meant any Asian. Many people were murdered, including taxi drivers, students and restaurant workers. Mosques, Gurdwaras and temples were attacked. Fascist organisations like the National Front, often protected by thousands of police officers, tried to march through Asian areas. Asian youth of that period began to organise, and fought back against the racists. In this process they came into conflict with the police.
 
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Funny thing is you using a slur word that's associated in a derogatory manner for your own people in England where it originated
Lol

**** bashing is when drunk whote guys used to go kick in Asian peoples doors after pubs were shut
**** shop is a shop owned by an Indian Pakistani Bangladeshi
**** doctor the same
**** bitch
**** bastard all slur words from England to all sub continent people

Do you think I don't know that?
I'm not endorsing the word, but using it as an example to let the poster know that those same Brits that use the term **** exhibit similar attitude to the poster I quoted.
Because it doesn't affect him/her he feels it is not derogatory to the person it is being used against!
Baniya is a derogatory term for us Indians unless used appropriately in the relevant setting.
This should have been clear from my posts! But I think many of you have problems with selective reading.

If the poster has no problem throwing the word Baniya around, he certainly woulnd have a problem with the word ****! But like clockwork when I used that term, it made the poster livid.
Hope you understand where we come from when we hear the term baniya!
 
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