Pakistan-GCC military cooperation. Is it worthwhile?

[Taimoor Khan]

I would like to have this discussion based on current geopolitical realities that are staring at us, specially in the aftermath of Kashmir situation and Arab world response to it. No sentimental or emotional non sense, just purely based on merit.


We are not living in 80s or 90s. Our military relation with GCC, particularly with Saudi Arabia was based on the prime and genuine threat from the Zionist entity of Israel. There have been several articles in past, and this has been discussed at length that Pakistan has this unwritten pact with Saudi establishment that we will provide them a nuclear umbrella if it ever comes to that. Well, certainly not against Iran! we ourselves have said that on many occasions that we got nothing to do with this Arab and Persian conflict and have kept ourselves out of it.

Now here is the question, when Arabs themselves are sniffing up the Zionist behind, bending backwards for them, and no one can deny this anymore, what is the actual point of Pakistan-GCC military relationships when we know that from Pakistan point of view, it was never against Iran to begin with? Against who is this military cooperation with Arabs?

Is it not the right time to recall all the men/assets from GCC when Pakistan own national security and interests demands maximum strength shown to India over situation in Kashmir? This can also be extended to the recalling of peace keeping missions all over the global. Everyone is now more less convinced that war with India over Kashmir is not the matter of if but when.


Yes, the protection of Hijaz (not Saudi Arabia) is our religious duty but considering our missile reach, do we really need boots on ground to deal with a scenario where Israel might have some lunatic ideas?


In my opinion, we should start packing our bags from GCC in the name of Pakistan own national security which is of supreme importance.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Yes. It is even more important than ever before.

Short-fused, without critical thinking, auto-emotional reactions is not going to provide work to millions of Paks working in GCC.

Incidently, these millions of Paks send money back home which keeps the country going... given how our economy, society, education and industry is destroyed in last 35-40 years.

Are we going to leave the field open to GanguDaesh so that they can take Pak jobs and become even more nauseating?

I say, PMIK kindly hop on the Pak1 and go on whirlwind tour of entire GCC... even a courtesy visit to Eygpt... enhance our relationship... and turn into geo-economic-geo-strategic.

Go to Tehran, Turkey...and then fly to Europe,...on way back to Moscow... and then stop in BeiJing... after rest Southeat Asia and Tokyo.

I do expect all thest to happen before PMIK has time to catch up before hopping on plane again to UN.

Luckily, PakState doesn't think like Pakposters....

GanguDaesh has bitten more than it can chew... time to rebalance the Strategic Equations.

 

[gangsta_rap]

What is so wrong with the conduct of the gulf states with respect to Israel?

This is something we should've followed suit years ago. Yasser Arafat in fact hated Pakistan and backed India on Kashmir.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Yes. It is even more important than ever before.

Short-fused, without critical thinking, auto-emotional reactions is not going to provide work to millions of Paks working in GCC.

Incidently, these millions of Paks send money back home which keeps the country going... given how our economy, society, education and industry is destroyed in last 35-40 years.

Are we going to leave the field open to GanguDaesh so that they can take Pak jobs and become even more nauseating?

I say, PMIK kindly hop on the Pak1 and go on whirlwind tour of entire GCC... even a courtesy visit to Eygpt... enhance our relationship... and turn into geo-economic-geo-strategic.

Go to Tehran, Turkey...and then fly to Europe,...on way back to Moscow... and then stop in BeiJing... after rest Southeat Asia and Tokyo.

I do expect all thest to happen before PMIK has time to catch up before hopping on plane again to UN.

Luckily, PakState doesn't think like Pakposters....

GanguDaesh has bitten more than it can chew... time to rebalance the Strategic Equations.

READ before replying please.


The discussion is purely based on MILITARY matters.


Can you name me any entity Pakistani-GCC military alliance perceived to be a threat?? What it is achieving in this current geopolitical land space? You got an enemy 7 times bigger then you with whom you have fight a war over Kashmir, not matter of if but when. Where your focus should be, including your men and resources? Do you have enough in tank to fight your own wars yet at the same time commit to some old and now defunct security threats in GCC???

What is so wrong with the conduct of the gulf states with respect to Israel?

This is something we should've followed suit years ago. Yasser Arafat in fact hated Pakistan and backed India on Kashmir.

Your issues with Israel got nothing to with Arabs or Palestine for the matter. When you lot will grow up ?

 

[Fawadqasim1]

I would like to have this discussion based on current geopolitical realities that are staring at us, specially in the aftermath of Kashmir situation and Arab world response to it. No sentimental or emotional non sense, just purely based on merit.


We are not living in 80s or 90s. Our military relation with GCC, particularly with Saudi Arabia was based on the prime and genuine threat from the Zionist entity of Israel. There have been several articles in past, and this has been discussed at length that Pakistan has this unwritten pact with Saudi establishment that we will provide them a nuclear umbrella if it ever comes to that. Well, certainly not against Iran! we ourselves have said that on many occasions that we got nothing to do with this Arab and Persian conflict and have kept ourselves out of it.

Now here is the question, when Arabs themselves are sniffing up the Zionist behind, bending backwards for them, and no one can deny this anymore, what is the actual point of Pakistan-GCC military relationships when we know that from Pakistan point of view, it was never against Iran to begin with? Against who is this military cooperation with Arabs?

Is it not the right time to recall all the men/assets from GCC when Pakistan own national security and interests demands maximum strength shown to India over situation in Kashmir? This can also be extended to the recalling of peace keeping missions all over the global. Everyone is now more less convinced that war with India over Kashmir is not the matter of if but when.


Yes, the protection of Hijaz (not Saudi Arabia) is our religious duty but considering our missile reach, do we really need boots on ground to deal with a scenario where Israel might have some lunatic ideas?


In my opinion, we should start packing our bags from GCC in the name of Pakistan own national security which is of supreme importance.

We can't do that not at least in short term
we need their money and oil on deferred payment which is a kind of soft loan which we absolutely need to remain solvent we have no choice at least at this point in time so

 

[Hassan90]

Only reason our clean shaved begairat politicians and generals were/are mindfull of these tiny insignificant shaikhdoms is because of these tiny states buying their loyalty with dollars. Everybody knows these kingdoms have soldout leadership who have no legitimacy . They look outward to west in general. Its not out of the blue that Trump said ,saudi king is there because of us, it tells you how soldout these desert kingships are and what their use is for the west.

I hear alot of these arab lover talking about money they put in our Banks but they dont tell the whole story and that is we were not allowed to use that money and that was also because these arab got go ahead from woshington. Lets be frank saudi and UAE are playing good and bad cop with pakistan. Their action are syncronized if you look carefull. For these sectarian wahabis everything revolves around shias and iran. I hope our arab lover look at facts... has saudi or UAE issued any statement which was pro kashmiri/pakistani? Answer is no ,While iran gave from highest possible position pro pakistani statement! Saudi and these golf monarchies are just rubber stamp for western world to do mischief in muslim world and these soldout do it happily!
I hope we stopped looking at saudi or these honourless ppl as our ummah chummah brothers. India is not such a big economic power that cant be ignored . Arab export just oil ...i am sure india would not have stopped that if they had issued statement in our favor and even if India had stopped , arab could have Hurt india faar faar more then the other way around.

These begairat kingdoms buy our higher up beghairat with peanuts and we the public of pakistan have to live with their sectarian hate and Sunni brother mulk which they are not.
Look at these states ..they dont like turkey. ..they dont like iran and they appease and give madels to a muslim killer which is anti pakistan..they support coup in egypt! Every person with a healthy brain can connect the dots and see where these socalled ummah brothers of ours stand, which is with the enemy of muslim countries/parties in general.
YES i know we have our limitation right now because of our ppl working there but I want to ask my pakistanis brothers ...espcially saudi lover aka sectarian minded : which holy nation invités kafirs for Protection? Which holy nation wants west to attack another muslim nation? Which nations islamic scholars called Trump the great and the best man to achieve peace ? And which nation invités and give madels to a killer whose whole Election manifesto called for blood of muslims? YES for the time being we have to take the bitter pill but this action of theirs will not be forgotten and paid in the same coin in future. And we need to stop this hiring of ex generals and it should be punishable because of sensitivities of our own security. being blind , that we can not afFord!

 

[The SC]

What is so wrong with the conduct of the gulf states with respect to Israel?

This is something we should've followed suit years ago. Yasser Arafat in fact hated Pakistan and backed India on Kashmir.

There was no hate.. instead there was this:
India was the first non-Arab country to recognize Palestine..

 

[gangsta_rap]

There was no hate.. instead there was this:

Perhaps hate is too strong of a world to use but there was enmity. I cannot find the source but he greatly disapproved of Pakistan's actions during Black September and it had resulted in him and the PLO becoming very sympathetic to India instead of Pakistan with respect to Kashmir.

 

[GumNaam]

OF COURSE its worth while...its BECAUSE of this gcc's military cooperation that we already KNOW how to defeat the rafales, the f15s and what have you...DUH!

 

[maximuswarrior]

Perhaps hate is too strong of a world to use but there was enmity. I cannot find the source but he greatly disapproved of Pakistan's actions during Black September and it had resulted in him and the PLO becoming very sympathetic to India instead of Pakistan with respect to Kashmir.

No denying. Arafat was an Indian puppet. So is Abbas.

As for breaking our relations with GCC is a bit of a stretch.

Let's limit our anger and disgust for UAE and Bahrain. These are the two stooge nations that sucked Modi's balls at the wrong time.

 

[Imran Khan]

Palestine is not our problem its arab israel issue .

 

[The SC]

Perhaps hate is too strong of a world to use but there was enmity. I cannot find the source but he greatly disapproved of Pakistan's actions during Black September and it had resulted in him and the PLO becoming very sympathetic to India instead of Pakistan with respect to Kashmir.

Yes that was a source of sadness to Palestinians who had lost 25 000 of their keen in that battle o "Black September" lead by Jordanian forces trained by Brigadier Zia ul haq at that time, but some say there were Pakistani troops also..and even then there was never any hatred..the fact is that India supported Palestine very strongly..at those times..

 

[Hassan90]

No denying. Arafat was an Indian puppet. So is Abbas.

These ppl are arab socialist/nationalist who hate islamic values and were/are very brutale to religiouse ppl and parties. In egypt you had nassar and in iraq saddam and bashar asad in syria. .. All seculars , Islam hater for most part.

 

[maximuswarrior]

These ppl are arab socialist/nationalist who hate islamic values and were/are very brutale to religiouse ppl and parties. In egypt you had nassar and in iraq saddam and bashar asad in syria. .. All seculars , Islam hater for most part.

Well they all got what they deserved. God is almighty.

 

[The SC]

Palestine is not our problem its arab israel issue .

That is how everyone calls it.. the Arab-Israeli conflict..
Only when Qods is involved it becomes A Muslim issue..