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Pakistan finalized Z-10ME Helicopters deal with China : Journalist Sumaira Khan

Z-10 has been selected...no about it.....delivery is just being awaited.
Any indication they will add a MMW radar to at least every 3rd or 4th helicopter, in a similar force configuration as the Apache Longbows in many militaries. There is a MMW radar under development for quite sole time for the Z-19 helicopters. Considering the longer and longer ranges of ATGMs our military will need to use in modern engagements (to stay out of SAM ranges) this is, IMHO, a must for modern attack helicopters.

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Only every 3 or 4 need a MMW radar if the a flight of four have a good datalink


This design would match the latest AH-64E Guardian’s MMW radar, or even beat it if it is a jam resistant GaN AESA radar


P.S. not trying to spam the thread with this long post, just wanted to point out how important the MMW radar is to modern Attack helicopter ops and why we should insist on getting at least a few from the very first order, it is available.
 
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Any indication they will add a MMW radar to at least every 3rd or 4th helicopter, in a similar force configuration as the Apache Longbows in many militaries. There is a MMW radar under development for quite sole time for the Z-19 helicopters. Considering the longer and longer ranges of ATGMs our military will need to use in modern engagements (to stay out of SAM ranges) this is, IMHO, a must for modern attack helicopters.

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Only every 3 or 4 need a MMW radar if the a flight of four have a good datalink

I believe MMWR is available for Z-10ME.
 
Any indication they will add a MMW radar to at least every 3rd or 4th helicopter, in a similar force configuration as the Apache Longbows in many militaries. There is a MMW radar under development for quite sole time for the Z-19 helicopters. Considering the longer and longer ranges of ATGMs our military will need to use in modern engagements (to stay out of SAM ranges) this is, IMHO, a must for modern attack helicopters.

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Only every 3 or 4 need a MMW radar if the a flight of four have a good datalink


This design would match the latest AH-64E Guardian’s MMW radar

Maybe Pakistan will get both Z-10ME and Z-19 but in lesser numbers.
 
Maybe Pakistan will get both Z-10ME and Z-19 but in lesser numbers.
The Z-19 may not be able to operate at the higher altitudes. Why not just equips every 3rd or 4th Z-10ME with a MMW radar.

IMHO, the Z-10ME should be able to operate at least as high and easily in the thin dry air of our mountains the same way an Apache Block III does; enough engine power to be. able to fly over the mountains, so it can reach troops that need help ASAP.

 
The Z-19 may not be able to operate at the higher altitudes. Why not just equips every 3rd or 4th Z-10ME with a MMW radar.

IMHO, the Z-10ME should be able to operate at least as high and easily in the thin dry air of our mountains the same way an Apache Block III does; enough engine power to be. able to fly over the mountains, so it can reach troops that need help ASAP.

PAA needs helicopters for plains and deserts, not mountains. Z-10ME has more powerful engines than the Z-10K and Z-10M (which is what PA tested before and picked T-129 instead). It also has better filtration systems to deal with sand and dust, it should be perfect for all sorts of environments, including our deserts.
PLA/PLAAF already use The Z-10 (not even the ME variant at that) in Ladakh and other high altitude areas.
 
PAA needs helicopters for plains and deserts, not mountains. Z-10ME has more powerful engines than the Z-10K and Z-10M (which is what PA tested before and picked T-129 instead). It also has better filtration systems to deal with sand and dust, it should be perfect for all sorts of environments, including our deserts.
PLA/PLAAF already use The Z-10 (not even the ME variant at that) in Ladakh and other high altitude areas.

So, the enemies should be able to assume no attack helicopters are available for Kashmir Or to support the FC in KPK and Baluchistan. We need our helicopters to operate all over the country, not just in the plains and deserts along the East border.

Also, if the engine power is limited, the enemy can predict which paths our helicopters must take. Just like the Apache Block III video from my earlier post; we need to be able to respond ASAP and over mountains if necessary.
 
New Details Described About China's Stealthy Z-10 Attack Helicopter
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December 23, 2021 Topic: Z-10 Helicopter Region: China Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: People's Liberation ArmyAttack HelicoptersStealth HelicopterAH-64 ApacheAir-to-Ground Missile
Some of the new details of the Z-10, explained in the Global Times newspaper, include the mention of its ability to arm up with up to sixteen anti-tank missiles, multiple rocket launchers, and a 23-millimeter caliber machine gun.
by Kris Osborn

A Chinese government-backed newspaper has reported new details of an upgraded People’s Liberation Army attack helicopter called the Z-10. The helicopter is described as a tank and ship killer capable of land and maritime attacks.

The Z-10 appears to be a deliberate blend between the U.S. Army’s famous Apache attack helicopter and several somewhat stealthy attack/reconnaissance helicopters. The Army has several such designs in development as part of the Future Vertical Lift program.

Some of the new details of the Z-10, explained in the Global Times newspaper, include the mention of its ability to arm up with up to sixteen anti-tank missiles, four multiple rocket launchers with seven barrels and, or two multiple rocket launchers with thirty-two barrels. The helicopter is also armed with a 23-millimeter caliber machine gun.
The Global Times quotes a Z-10 pilot describing that the helicopter can be specifically configured for different missions.

Missiles can be used against armored vehicles and tanks, while rockets the gun will be used against infantry, according to a Z-10 pilot interviewed by China Central Television, the paper reported. The Z-10 will usually carry eight air-to-ground missiles and two multiple rocket launchers when attacking enemy tank groups. The missile is reported to have an accuracy rate of 85 percent; each Z-10 sortie can destroy six or more enemy tanks.

With a range of 1,120 kilometers, the Z-10 has an empty weight of about 5,100 kilograms. It has four external hardpoints that can carry air-to-ground and air-to-air missiles as well as rockets. The Z-10 also fires the fifty-kilogram-class TY–-90 air-to-air weapons.
“A standard group of four Z-10s can carry 32 anti-tank missiles, eight 57 millimeter caliber multiple rocket launchers and four guns, and this is enough to wipe out three tank companies,” according to Global Times.

The helicopter’s lethality is increased by an F-35-like pilot helmet visor which responds to or mirrors eye movements to zero in on targets. The weapons will point to wherever the pilot is looking through the helmet.
It is not clear if the Z-10 helmet is comparable to the F-35’s, yet an ability to have targeting closely aligned with eye movement does seem to present a new threat.

The helicopter bears some resemblance to the stealthy Invictus helicopter being developed by Bell. The Global Times also describes the Z-10 as boasting some characteristics to make it harder to target, such as upward-facing exhaust vents to reduce the helicopter’s infrared signal.
Kris Osborn is the defense editor for the National Interest. Osborn previously served at the Pentagon as a Highly Qualified Expert with the Office of the Assistant Secretary of the Army—Acquisition, Logistics & Technology. Osborn has also worked as an anchor and on-air military specialist at national TV networks. He has appeared as a guest military expert on Fox News, MSNBC, The Military Channel, and The History Channel. He also has a Master’s Degree in Comparative Literature from Columbia University.


One more thing , Pakistan is still sticking with T-129 deal :smitten:
 
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I think we are at the point where PAA has to make a decision and run with it - the original set of decisions based on the AH-1Z's and T-129's no longer are available to Pakistan. There are no other viable alternatives on the market(Mi-28NE's are best avoided given the poor performance of Russian systems in general ) other than the T-129.

What PAA will be doing is buying into the ecosystem of the Z10 platform and its progressive upgrades over time with new batches. The Z10 maynot be the platform that the PAA wants "now" but you can be damn sure it will mature into that vision given the investment behind the Z10 programme.

The Z10 outclasses everything that the PAA has right now, and in itself represents a quantum upgrade in capabilities.

I am sure at some point - PAA will want to look at the T-929 as its heavy weight, but the Z10 for now fulfils the lower tier of the spectrum.
 

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