Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Jhon Smith]

Men r warrior and born to fight with animals in Forest, In fight men do use tools.
Its not easy to fall in love with machines. But who r not in love with his tools? Love of machines and tools also called passion. F-16 is the ultimate love of Pak air force fighter pilots. They are in love with F-16 one should believe it or not.

However its time to figure out Y Pak air force pilots r victim of F-16 love. This love story has following reasons.
F-16 r best fighter jet ever planet Earth has on it...

F-16 Jets r classic, attractive, fast , sexy ,Honest, good looking , honorable , principled , decent ,ethical , vintage, modern, contemporary, state of the art, hot , racy, sensual , most mature, cuddly , alluring, simple , smooth , elegant and dazzling.
Wish Pak air force has 10 squadron of such a sexy, hot, charming attractive F-16 jets.
Its love of any world air force, Lucky Indian will have such precious stuff in there back yard.




Falling in Love with Things

 

[umair86pk]

Guys, check out the helmet supported by the PAF F-16 rider, surely those wires are not for the headset.... any thoughts.

Its for JHMCS

 

[SQ8]

Provide oversight of F-16 aircraft maintenance operations at a remote Pakistan location for an extended period. Observe foreign nationals conducting maintenance and documenting deviations from approved practices on F-16 aircraft and munitions, especially classified systems.

They want to make sure that the pretty high end systems we have in the Block-52's are not looked at by the Chinese.

 

[ziaulislam]

You are SADLY mistaken on this. Hillary and Bill, in their last trip to India for Bill's charity, received $ 80 MILLION worth of donations (just one example). Who do you think they'll support? India or Pakistan? Second, the Congress is Repulican controlled. And third, like MK has written many times, you guys need to start reading between the lines and go get other stuff if you've not learned from the 90's. The sentiment towards Pakistan, within the US establishment on each side, isn't that positive.

@MastanKhan : your favorite topic again. I thought I'd add you as I am sure you'd have something to say here, and for the right reasons. Edumacate the member above please



I just added you to this post and then saw this one. So you'd be added to my post twice. A couple of things from the above:

1) It doesn't matter if these two men are representing Pakistan or not. This situation has NO control from the Pakistani side. The control has always been in the US hands and will. Sorry!! Mushy, Zia and everyone else, got the "time being" relationship. But the US controls her interests and that's it, period. Doesn't matter which two, four or ten men are or are not involved from the Pakistani side.

2) Soldier to soldier, general to general relationships are always professional and respectful. As both in Khakhi are trying to protect their country and require professionalism towards each other. The Civilians make the policies so the American generals don't get into it. They'll shake hands courteously today and if tomorrow, the Commander In-Chief said to attack the same country they shook hands with yesterday, they'll do it. Its called code of conduct and duty to the country.

3) In Pakistan, the civilians don't get to make policies so that ALWAYS goes against Pakistan. But Pakistani military doesn't want to lose that control so here is the result. Remember, I've ALWAYS said, you want a good working relationship with the Americans or with the British......NEVER let the Khaki's go and represent the country. ONLY suits and salesman and you'll get the results. End of the story!! The more military fatigues go in front of American leaders, the more annoyed they'd get and the results are coming in front of you guys, if you see the sentiment from the US towards Pakistan.

we should stops selling Pakistan has firend against terror and instead sell pakistan as emerging 200 million people country

we should stop getting 600-700 million aid, instead ask for trade con cessations. honestly a billion dollar is not even 5% of your tax revenue and if you need foreign exchange better ask for trade concessation or just buy bonds, our tax to gdp debt is not that horrible


but of course problem is political and military elite doesn't want that, they need to understand its no longer the cold war, there are no friends and enemies, US will not support pakistan over india under any circumstance and there is no reason for it to do so, infact no other country in world who has no animty with india will support pakistan over india, they would either be neutral or pro indian as its all about econmy

our foreign policy hasnot changed since era of CENTO and 1980s

lastly 10-20 f-16s is not going to change the equation at all, if they are so eager buy either another plateform in batches or simply go for some second hand f-16s, you are not going to get the aim 120D anyway

 

[hassan1]

 

[princefaisal]

Doors open for negotiation with US on F-16 deal: Foreign Office
MATEEN HAIDER — PUBLISHED ABOUT AN HOUR AGO
ISLAMABAD: Negotiations regarding the funding of F-16 jets for Pakistan may still be possible with the United States (US), Foreign Office Spokesman Nafees Zakaria said on Thursday.

"US Senator John McCain will be visiting Pakistan soon to meet top leadership," Zakaria said.

The F-16 deal was earlier put on hold after Washington asked Islamabad to foot the bill for the jets. Under an initial financing arrangement, the US was to pay about $430 million for the eight jets worth $699 million from Foreign Military Financing (FMF) funds, while the remaining cost was to be borne by Pakistan itself.

Islamabad rejected the idea of fully paying for the aircraft and refused to make any pledge unless the restriction on financing through FMF was lifted.

The Pakistani government was required to provide the Letter of Acceptance for purchase of the jets by May 24, but a diplomatic source revealed that the document was not issued, leading to expiry of the offer.

'Pakistan to join MTCR at appropriate time'
The FO spokesman said Pakistan would choose to become a part of the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) at an ‘appropriate’ time.

Pakistan has a fairly advanced missile programme and has developed a number of short- and medium-range ballistic missiles and UAVs, but it has never sought membership of the MTCR, which theoretically could have facilitated its access to high-end missile technologies.

India, however, became the 35th member of the MTCR this week after a consensus emerged in the regime on admitting it into its fold.

'Asked for more evidence on Mumbai attacks'
Zakaria said that Pakistan has asked Indian authorities for more evidence regarding the Mumbai attacks so that Pakistan can pursue the case.

"Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry has written a letter to concerned authorities across the border and has demanded further details regarding the evidence linking Pakistan to the attacks," he said.

Foreign policy to be sorted out during envoys conference
Pakistan envoys have been called together for a meeting next month to discuss the rapidly changing scenario of international politics, the FO spokesman said.

The conference will also be used to devise a fitter strategy to deal with the future developments.

The development comes amidst criticism of the government's foreign policy by members of the opposition who claim that Pakistan is becoming isolated and needs to maintain good relations with neighbouring countries.

No more F-16s till the approval of Aim-9X and AESA radars integration in current fleet from USA

 

[zeeshan shaani]

No more F-16s till the approval of Aim-9X and AESA radars integration in current fleet from USA

Just forget about it. It will not happen. There are block 52 who are struggling their way and u are talking about AESA and aim 9x.

 

[RedRock]

They want to make sure that the pretty high end systems we have in the Block-52's are not looked at by the Chinese.

Hey,
i was wondering if it is possible to get Japanese F-2 since the Japanese are looking into replacing them. Is it only up to the Japanese who they sell it to or do the Americans even have a say in it? I checked Wikipedia and it shows it is only the Japanese operating this aircraft, is that true? Would it be any easy induction or would PAF pilots and ground crews have to go through extensive training for it?
BR

 

[aliyusuf]

This being an election year, things were more likely to go the Indian lobbyists' way vis-à-vis Pakistani procurement of US weapons. Hence the negative narrative and mood in Congress about Pakistan. Although the sale of 8 new Block-52s were approved but the funding stipulated in the deal has been rejected.

After the elections, the mood will gradually soften towards Pakistan and some goodies might come our way, albeit with more strings attached.

But the growing -ve narrative against Pakistan, that has been building over the past year and a half is not going to go away and will still retain certain level of intensity. It is going to get increasingly difficult for Pakistan to get arms from the US on favorable terms in the future, if at all.

Would be better if Pakistan could cultivate alternate options as a contingency, in addition to the already in place plans for laying the foundations for an indigenous aviation industry know-how ... as revealed by the ACM in a recent TV interview. This way if the indigenous program hits a snag, the alternate option could be opted for as a stop gap to meet the capabilities requirements.

 

[princefaisal]

Just forget about it. It will not happen. There are block 52 who are struggling their way and u are talking about AESA and aim 9x.

Without AESA and Aim-9x, block-52 are nothing against Rafale and Su-30mki. By the way, other F-16s are also MLUd and are at par with block-52 in avionics.

 

[zeeshan shaani]

Without AESA and Aim-9x, block-52 are nothing against Rafale and Su-30mki. By the way, other F-16s are also MLUd and are at par with block-52 in avionics.

What i am saying is AESA and aim 9x is impossible from usa near future. It is another thing if usa gives approval to integrate some other AESA radar on pakistani f16. It contains BIG iF. This is also unlikely at present but in near future it can happen. F16 block 52+ can give tough time to su30 and it can stand againt mki but not against rafael. And i know all f16 are MLUd but they are not at par with b52. They are at equal standard as b52 except two differences engine and CFT.

 

[princefaisal]

What i am saying is AESA and aim 9x is impossible from usa near future. It is another thing if usa gives approval to integrate some other AESA radar on pakistani f16. It contains BIG iF. This is also unlikely at present but in near future it can happen. F16 block 52+ can give tough time to su30 and it can stand againt mki but not against rafael. And i know all f16 are MLUd but they are not at par with b52. They are at equal standard as b52 except two differences engine and CFT.

I have clearly mentioned that MLUd F-16s are equal to Block-52 in avionics, means only in avionics.

 

[zeeshan shaani]

I have clearly mentioned that MLUd F-16s are equal to Block-52 in avionics, means only in avionics.

R u kidding? Go and check u said at par not equal.

 

[SQ8]

Hey,
i was wondering if it is possible to get Japanese F-2 since the Japanese are looking into replacing them. Is it only up to the Japanese who they sell it to or do the Americans even have a say in it? I checked Wikipedia and it shows it is only the Japanese operating this aircraft, is that true? Would it be any easy induction or would PAF pilots and ground crews have to go through extensive training for it?
BR

The F-2 is a very specialised system that was very Japan specific(even the avionics are in Japanese). Moreover, since the Japanese are now looking for a replacement for it, there is no longer going to be product support since no one else besides the Japanese use it.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Delusional Pakistanis who despite knowing full well that we can't even get 8 are still hopeful for larger number.

Just saw a statement from the Minister for defence production Rana Tanveer on ARY News that Pakistan is still in talks with Washington over the sale of F-16 aircraft...it seems that our obsession with the -16 is not yet over nonetheless now that the original deal for 8 F-16's has expired...it makes me wonder Pakistan might be looking at a number which would be much larger than 8 this time around...your thoughts?????? @Horus @Windjammer