Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[gambit]

You are right sir but they would take turns manning the cockpit,but in our case that was base which is operational only during stand off,but it is still a vital base it is just 50km away from fully operational enemy Airbase,and it's nearest fully ops PAF base is 130+km away rest i agree with you it has effects on health.

Yah...That would require rotating someone in/out of the cockpit. Fully understandable need.

what about APU sir.

Nope...The F-16's APU, we really called it EPU for emergency, is for when there is an engine failure. It was not designed to be casually run for any other purpose.

 

[razgriz19]

When I was transferred to the F-16 and stationed at MacDill, which was an F-16 training base, like Luke, I heard that F-15 crews in Europe often reduced launch times by having crew chiefs runs the starboard engine and fully warmed up every systems. The pilot would be all suited up, helmet on, and waiting under port wing. The reason is because the cockpit ladder is on the port side. When the launch order came, pilot and crew chief would quickly swap places, crew chief would help the pilot to fully hook up, the pilot would start the port engine, and away he go. Depending on the waiting period, sometime the jets would hit the 'hot pit' area to top off any fuel before they hit the runways.

Could not do this with the F-16 because of its single engine. We could use an external generator, called the 'Dash 60', to at least fully initialize the INS, but that would be the safety limit. The down side is that we do not have enough -60s for every jet.

can't they just the APU and get all the systems ready using that?
we do it for commercial aircraft

 

[HRK]

Source: http://www.ftm.nl/wp-content/upload...osts White Paper FINAL 13th March 2012(1).pdf

 

[gambit]

can't they just the APU and get all the systems ready using that?
we do it for commercial aircraft

That is not how the F-16's EPU was designed to do.

If engine is lost in flight, for whatever reason, the EPU will start. The device is essentially a small turbine engine that runs on a highly combustible fuel, even higher than JP-series, and in this fuel is hydrazine, which is a component of rocket fuel and a poison. Hydrazine's fume and exhaust is toxic in the immediate area. Better off to dissipate it in flight than on the ground.

Hydrazine (HSG 56, 1991)

Remember, the F-16 was designed to be small, lightweight, and serviceable. The jet does not have internal space for a genuine auxiliary power unit like the larger airliners. The EPU provides both electrical and hydraulic power for 10-15 minutes.

From the f-16.net guys...

http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=10113&sid=7ec14b43821418a2388d36035418e630&mode=view

The EPU interconnect is in hydraulic system A, upper left corner view.

Actually, the phrase 'engine lost' is broad. The EPU can start while engine is still in operation. If electrical and/or hydraulics power drops below a certain level, the EPU will kick in and you have about 10-15 min to find a reasonably safe location to land or eject. If the engine is damaged but still does provide some thrust, all the better for you. If it does not provide any worthwhile thrust at all, at least you have power for controlled glide.

 

[Windjammer]

 

[nazid]

good night

what a pic great

 

[nomi007]

 

[nomi007]

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[fatman17]

The inside news is that Pakistan is reviving the option of buying 18 F16s CD models from the US. They will be purchased by Pakistani funds. Nearly 1.2B US $ will be required.

 

[Thorough Pro]

would be nice if the C/D's come with additional 18 A/B's

The inside news is that Pakistan is reviving the option of buying 18 F16s CD models from the US. They will be purchased by Pakistani funds. Nearly 1.2B US $ will be required.

 

[fatman17]

would be nice if the C/D's come with additional 18 A/B's

ABs may come from a 3rd party.

 

[Windjammer]

It's interesting to note that there's a small charge which activates the smoke winders.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Sir !

I understand that A / B stand for single seater & dual seater.

What does C / D stand for ?

 

[Windjammer]

Sir !

I understand that A / B stand for single seater & dual seater.

What does C / D stand for ?

Same but for the Block-52s.

 

[Donatello]

The inside news is that Pakistan is reviving the option of buying 18 F16s CD models from the US. They will be purchased by Pakistani funds. Nearly 1.2B US $ will be required.

Actually probably more than 1.2billion, as Pakistan might go for more AIM120s, AIM9s (AIM9x?) and the associated spare engines, radars.