Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[风之南国]

Should buy F35。

 

[MastanKhan]

Suprised even after the programs we joiend we have not yet recovered the loss of 40-60 F16 that got stuck in pipeline and we got wheat in return

Even after program was open we only get 18 or so odd deliveries

Was it not Nawaz that was in power back them also in late 80s

Hi,

That was Benazir & the paf heirarchy---it was their doing to pay cash upfront---.

 

[Najam Khan]

Suprised even after the programs we joiend we have not yet recovered the loss of 40-60 F16 that got stuck in pipeline and we got wheat in return

Even after program was open we only get 18 or so odd deliveries

Was it not Nawaz that was in power back them also in late 80s

Its not just the money or political situation that is/was the problem; it was the balance of power in South Asia / power gap between Pakistan and India which super powers wanted to keep.

The current sales of Ex-RJAF F-16 a/c are pretty useful for PAF; instead of going for new 18 Bk52s PAF would prefer going after old airframes; which are generally less expensive and could be modernized to MLU standard in future (IF need arise).

 

[HRK]

The current sales of Ex-RJAF F-16 a/c are pretty useful for PAF; instead of going for new 18 Bk52s PAF would prefer going after old airframes; which are generally less expensive and could be modernized to MLU standard in future (IF need arise).

but for the modernization more MLU kits are needed & out of 60 MLU kit we have already utilized 45, so only 15 more are available.

In my opinion our 13 F-16 (ADF version) acquired from Jordan might not be upgraded to the latest MLU standards; this left us option for 15 more secondhand F-16 at max.

 

[karakoram]

MLU's are in terms of internal avionics 85% of the Block-52's.(the block-52 mounts the AIDEWS internally).
MLU's are in terms of weapons ability 100% of the block-52's.
MLU's are in terms of airframe 80% of the block-52s.

JF-17 is in terms of avionics some 70% capable as a block-52.
In terms of flight capability it is 80% of the block-52.
In terms of design sophistication it is 50% of a block-52.

i really like your comparison of block 40 and 52 brother can u compare su 30 MKI with f16 block 52 in term of weapons ability avionics and fighting capability like u compared above i know its been 50% off topic but still require your expert opinion

 

[nomi007]

is pakistani f-16s are using dual rackets ?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Something to be cheerful about F16 vs F15 in dog fight

 

[DrSomnath999]

Hi everyone

certain technical questions i want to ask regariding F16 in PAF .I hope i can get my answer here as it is the dedicated thread regarding F16 so why create another thread to ask such questions

1) Does F16 in PAF have EW suite with DRFM jamming tech ?

2) Does F16 in PAF have provision to carry external mounted IRST pod?

3) Does F16 in PAF have plans for AESA radar in their MLU in future?

4) DOES F16 in PAF have been cleared to carry SD10A BVRAAMS or any prospect to carry foreign based BVRAAM missiles .

5) Does F16 in PAF have any passive based MAWs (Missile warning suite) .

So PLZ be kind enough to spend some time to answer my queries

thanks in advance


CHEERS

 

[Donatello]

Hi everyone

certain technical questions i want to ask regariding F16 in PAF .I hope i can get my answer here as it is the dedicated thread regarding F16 so why create another thread to ask such questions

1) Does F16 in PAF have EW suite with DRFM jamming tech ?

2) Does F16 in PAF have provision to carry external mounted IRST pod?

3) Does F16 in PAF have plans for AESA radar in their MLU in future?

4) DOES F16 in PAF have been cleared to carry SD10A BVRAAMS or any prospect to carry foreign based BVRAAM missiles .

5) Does F16 in PAF have any passive based MAWs (Missile warning suite) .

So PLZ be kind enough to spend some time to answer my queries

thanks in advance


CHEERS

1) Yes.
2)Yes, more like a FLIR
3)Not sure, maybe, maybe not. The APG68s are very good.
4)F-16s carry AIM120 AMRAAMs. SD10s are for JF-17s. No need to carry any other BVR missile, when AIM120 can do the job well. There is a reason why the US Navy and US Airforce use it as the standard BVR missile.
5) Yes.

Used the search function next time.

 

[DrSomnath999]

1) Yes.
2)Yes, more like a FLIR
3)Not sure, maybe, maybe not. The APG68s are very good.
4)F-16s carry AIM120 AMRAAMs. SD10s are for JF-17s. No need to carry any other BVR missile, when AIM120 can do the job well. There is a reason why the US Navy and US Airforce use it as the standard BVR missile.
5) Yes.

Used the search function next time.

Thanks

1) Can you plz name the EW system of F16 which has DRFM tech
Details of the potential sale to Pakistan
but in this article it states it doent have drfm tech

plus latest turkey upgrade of F16 a/b model does it also have DRFM tech

2) but can it used for IR targeting against air borne threat
does PAF have it Can you post little extra info about it

3) can you plz give some detail about F16 passive based MAWS ??


CHEERS

 

[Donatello]

Thanks

1) Can you plz name the EW system of F16 which has DRFM tech
Details of the potential sale to Pakistan
but in this article it states it doent have drfm tech

plus latest turkey upgrade of F16 a/b model does it also have DRFM tech

2) but can it used for IR targeting against air borne threat
does PAF have it Can you post little extra info about it

3) can you plz give some detail about F16 passive based MAWS ??


CHEERS

Please use Google. Pakistani F-16 BLK52+ were the standard blk52s meaning they have all the features that are there. Since we know it has DRFM, it is with Pakistan as well. F-16s don't have IR targeting in aerial capacity, rather more for ground attack/recon.

 

[Bratva]

Hi everyone

certain technical questions i want to ask regariding F16 in PAF .I hope i can get my answer here as it is the dedicated thread regarding F16 so why create another thread to ask such questions

1) Does F16 in PAF have EW suite with DRFM jamming tech ?

No, PAF F-16's were delivered without DRFM . It was blocked by American senate specifically.

2) Does F16 in PAF have provision to carry external mounted IRST pod?

There are no external IRST pods purchased with F-16. DB-110 and Sniper provide such capability for AGM mode, but if you are referring to AAM mode, then no

3) Does F16 in PAF have plans for AESA radar in their MLU in future?

Americans won't allow american AESA tech to PAF so no

4) DOES F16 in PAF have been cleared to carry SD10A BVRAAMS or any prospect to carry foreign based BVRAAM missiles

.

No and NO

5) Does F16 in PAF have any passive based MAWs (Missile warning suite) .

Yes this

AN/AAR-54(V) Missile Warning System (MWS)

So PLZ be kind enough to spend some time to answer my queries

thanks in advance


CHEERS

 

[nomi007]

aim-120c

 

[Donatello]

No, PAF F-16's were delivered without DRFM . It was blocked by American senate specifically.

We discussed this in this thread. Apparently DRFM made it through.

@Oscar

 

[Bratva]

We discussed this in this thread. Apparently DRFM made it through.

@Oscar

I would prefer to believe official word. If something blocked by senate made it through, there would have been a shyte storm at capitol hill.