Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[rockstar08]

PAF avg. is 200-220 hrs/year.



true congressional approvals are available for 18 F-16C/Ds.

any talks going on behind the doors ?

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar ....is this in same category as JDAM, except it's being produced by GIDS in Pakistan. ??

Pakistani GIDS TAKBIR Series Satellite Aided Inertially Guided Glide Bomb Family for precision attack against ground attack role.

It is, just not as "reliable" and readily integrated.

 

[PK_Patriot]

Naah.... my thoughts very clear.. try to get new aircraft.

Old aircraft can be upgraded but how long?

Go with chinese aircraft

Indian mirage 2000 also being upgrade but it can use only max 10-15 years..

Go with new... than use 30-35 years

In presence of SU-30MKI & upcoming PAK FA, do you think instead upgrading them Rafael has been bought along with TOT, a wise decision ?

Yes you are right ... if we will pay to US for upgrade our F-16 with AESA system ... US will not do ...


yes F-16 is a best aircraft ever in the world ... but now we have to go with new aircraft ... yes with time we can try to upgrade F-16 with AESA, but right now we have to hard work with JF-17 with upgrade all next generation parts, have to buy 4.5 generation aircraft like j-10 b with New upgrade jF-17 block 1 2 3 then in 3rd option have to upgrade F-16 with AESA ... but US will not do that ...

If you are going for aid or soft loan then I doubt it, it is not going to be happening till 2020

No money ....USA not willing....So its a no go on AESA from USA at least.

If 1.2 billion dollars can be allocated for metro then AESA can also happen with funds. Infact 1.2 billion dollar is enough for entire 4G aircraft PAkistan has including JF-17 thunder. Contact Saab or northropgrumman

 

[syedali73]

It is, just not as "reliable" and readily integrated.

I understand they are GPS based. Are there plans to use Beidou Navigation Satellite System?

 

[fatman17]

Lockheed: F-16V Passes Radar Integration Milestone

Aug. 21, 2014 - 12:59PM | By AARON MEHTA |

Lockheed Martin's F-16V passed a major milestone this week. (Neal Chapman/Lockheed Martin)

WASHINGTON — Lockheed Martin has moved forward with a major milestone on its F-16V upgrade, the company announced this week.
The company completed a Critical Design Review to ensure Northrop Grumman’s Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) design has met requirements handed down by the US Air Force. The improved radar capabilities brought by SABR are at the core of the F-16V modification.
“Completing this milestone on schedule demonstrates our ability to meet program commitments,” Roderick McLean, vice president and general manager of the F-16/F-22 Integrated Fighter Group at Lockheed Martin, said in a company statement. “It proves once again why customers turn to Lockheed Martin to upgrade their F-16 fleets and advance the mission capability of the world’s most effective 4th generation multi-role fighter.”
Taiwan is slated to be the first customer to receive the F-16V upgrade. In addition to SABR, the upgrade enhances the electronic warfare suite, mission computer and cockpit.
While Lockheed and US officials insist radar upgrades for Taiwan’s F-16 fleet are still on track, officials in Taiwan have expressed concerns over a US Air Force decision to back out of a major avionics update known as CAPES.
Northrop was selected by Lockheed over competitor Raytheon to provide the radar upgrade in a hotly contested battle. The upgrade market for F-16s, operated by 25 countries, is expected to remain a fertile growth area for companies at a time when new jet production is coming down.
The F-16V will be the most advanced model of the F-16, at a time when the legacy models are showing wear and tear. The US Air Force has ordered all F-16B and D models be checked for damage after a series of cracks grounded over half its F-16D fleet.■
Email: amehta@defensenews.com.

I understand they are GPS based. Are there plans to use Beidou Navigation Satellite System?

yes soon i believe....

 

[shanis]

In presence of SU-30MKI & upcoming PAK FA, do you think instead upgrading them Rafael has been bought along with TOT, a wise decision ?


If you are going for aid or soft loan then I doubt it, it is not going to be happening till 2020


If 1.2 billion dollars can be allocated for metro then AESA can also happen with funds. Infact 1.2 billion dollar is enough for entire 4G aircraft PAkistan has including JF-17 thunder. Contact Saab or northropgrumman

yes you are right ... that's the point ...... who will think about Upgrade our defense in army, air force, navy etc .... PML N will not do upgrade or new things.
what will we do with Metro ... PML N has to go for upgrade defense and will go for New things now...

 

[Umar Jasim]

Pakistan Must Focus on Its JF-17 block 2...PAF Know its requirements better then us

 

[Sankpal]

In presence of SU-30MKI & upcoming PAK FA, do you think instead upgrading them Rafael has been bought along with TOT, a wise decision ?

Su 30 mki...... coming from after 2000. So it will be atleast 2030-2035 till we can upgrade whatever we want..

I was saying f 16 is a gud plane but now how long it will use?

Well your choice .... mostly country already started phasing out n getting new aircrafts.

 

[PK_Patriot]

yes you are right ... that's the point ...... who will think about Upgrade our defense in army, air force, navy etc .... PML N will not do upgrade or new things.
what will we do with Metro ... PML N has to go for upgrade defense and will go for New things now...

Pakistan defence is always neglected and hyped by NGOs, media and politicians

 

[Rank]

What about the update of Pakistan F16s ? any plan to acquire more or any further deal ? I feel that that was the last batch of F16s arrived the newer one BLK 52

 

[kaykay]

In presence of SU-30MKI & upcoming PAK FA, do you think instead upgrading them Rafael has been bought along with TOT, a wise decision

Well there is a plan to upgrade mki to super sukhoi standard with new radars, uprated engines and reduced rcs etc. Rafale, Tejas are needed because we have a large fleet of old aircrafts to replace with them say around 300 of them.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Adding an Aesa Radar to F-16 is not that simple as adding a deck to your car.

Such Addition would require redesigning the nose section of F-16.

It is easier for PAF to make such modification to JF-17 , since we have all the rights for modifications on that Fighter Aircraft.

 

[shanis]

Adding an Aesa Radar to F-16 is not that simple as adding a deck to your car.

Such Addition would require redesigning the nose section of F-16.

It is easier for PAF to make such modification to JF-17 , since we have all the rights for modifications on that Fighter Aircraft.

but i dont know when we will do modify Jf-17 ... in block 1 or 2 no AESA no important upgrades ... i was thinking we will use AESA in block 2 ... but no,
how we are going for Block 2 ... i think will finish 50 aircrafts after 2017 or 18 ... and then block 3 turn will come and its will be too late ...

when other country will go for 5th generation we will go for 4 and 4.5 generation,

 

[Side-Winder]

South korea is upgrading its136 F-16 block 52 with costing 1.1 billion dollars including AESA Source: Raytheon Radar Wins S. Korea Fighter Upgrade | Defense News | defensenews.com
Pakistan has 76 F-16s majority MLU upgraded or block 52. I think it won't cost more than 500 million dollars to be equivalent to block 60. It would take PAf to have 4.5 / 4.75 generation fighters. Share your thoughts

1.3 Billion already being invested to upgrade A/Bs to C/Ds.. no more money to take them to 60 standard

 

[Umar Jasim]

Why PAF Isn't using AESA Radar in Block 2 ? it means we will see AESA radar in block 3 in 2017 or 2018. when others will go for 5th generation.