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Pakistan Air Force Really Must be Uprage Of F-16s But I Think Pakistan should be joint The JSF F-35 Project... 
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Göktuğ;325619 said:Pakistan Air Force Really Must be Uprage Of F-16s But I Think Pakistan should be joint The JSF F-35 Project...
My friend, if you know how the US treated Pakistan then you might understand that we wioll be lucky if we get a few Block52. And even then not with all the goodies and tons of restrictions. JSF will never become Pakistani. There is clearly a shift towards China.
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Göktuğ;325619 said:Pakistan Air Force Really Must be Uprage Of F-16s But I Think Pakistan should be joint The JSF F-35 Project...
If we get into the JSF F35 Project, the Americans will come up with a demand which we will not be able to fill. Its better Pakistan works with China on the JXX project, its much more benificial to our country.
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Blk 40 is very near blk 52 thats why article say blk 40!!
Just a clarification.
All F-16 A/B that PAF received were upgraded to OCU standard and they received the Falcon-UP structural modification upgrade as well during late 1980s..
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Pakistan is not getting 36 J-10/FC-20 this year.
The order is altered.
Now Pakistan is getting almost 50 J-10/FC-20 "high-tech" variant, to be delivered to the PAF in 2014-15, some speculate that this could be a version of the upgraded J-10B model.
On March 7th 2009, at agreement signing ceremony of JF-17 Thunder aircraft, Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed said the agreement between Pakistan and China for the delivery of High-Tech aircraft J-10 was intact and these aircraft after improving them further would be delivered to PAF in 2014-15. He said these aircraft are being modernized in accordance with the PAF’s requirements and delivered under the title of FC-20.
Currently PAF is focusing to develop Full-fledged production of JF-17 in Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra.
Planned Upgrade of JF-17 till 2015.
The first 50 JF-17s entering Pakistan Air Force service will most likely incorporate only Chinese avionics and other systems.
Extendable in-flight refueling probes will be added soon.
Minor airframe modifications to add two more external hardpoints have also been mentioned by some sources.
Greater use of composite materials in the airframe to decrease weight.
Chinese Infra-Red Search and Track (IRST) system, possibly the Type Hongguang-I Electro-optical radar originally developed for the Chengdu J-10 fighter by Sichuan Changhong Electric Appliance Corporation. JF-17 is already compatible with this system but currently it must be carried externally in a pod mounted on one of the hardpoints.
New engine; most likely the Chinese WS-13 TianShan, although the PAF is considering fitting European powerplants such as the French Snecma M88 to its aircraft.
Minor airframe modifications to reduce the aircraft's radar cross-section by adding stealthy features.
Beyond the initial 50 PAF JF-17s, the remaining production aircraft may also be equipped with European avionics, radars and weaponry. Pakistan had begun negotiations with British and Italian defence firms over potential avionics and radars for JF-17 during initial development. Some of the radar options for JF-17 are the Italian Galileo Avionica Grifo S7and the French Thomson-CSF RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), along with the MBDA MICA IR/RF short/medium range air-to-air missiles.
This would make the fighter more attractive.
The order is altered.
Now Pakistan is getting almost 50 J-10/FC-20 "high-tech" variant, to be delivered to the PAF in 2014-15, some speculate that this could be a version of the upgraded J-10B model.
On March 7th 2009, at agreement signing ceremony of JF-17 Thunder aircraft, Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mehmood Ahmed said the agreement between Pakistan and China for the delivery of High-Tech aircraft J-10 was intact and these aircraft after improving them further would be delivered to PAF in 2014-15. He said these aircraft are being modernized in accordance with the PAF’s requirements and delivered under the title of FC-20.
Currently PAF is focusing to develop Full-fledged production of JF-17 in Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra.
Planned Upgrade of JF-17 till 2015.
The first 50 JF-17s entering Pakistan Air Force service will most likely incorporate only Chinese avionics and other systems.
Extendable in-flight refueling probes will be added soon.
Minor airframe modifications to add two more external hardpoints have also been mentioned by some sources.
Greater use of composite materials in the airframe to decrease weight.
Chinese Infra-Red Search and Track (IRST) system, possibly the Type Hongguang-I Electro-optical radar originally developed for the Chengdu J-10 fighter by Sichuan Changhong Electric Appliance Corporation. JF-17 is already compatible with this system but currently it must be carried externally in a pod mounted on one of the hardpoints.
New engine; most likely the Chinese WS-13 TianShan, although the PAF is considering fitting European powerplants such as the French Snecma M88 to its aircraft.
Minor airframe modifications to reduce the aircraft's radar cross-section by adding stealthy features.
Beyond the initial 50 PAF JF-17s, the remaining production aircraft may also be equipped with European avionics, radars and weaponry. Pakistan had begun negotiations with British and Italian defence firms over potential avionics and radars for JF-17 during initial development. Some of the radar options for JF-17 are the Italian Galileo Avionica Grifo S7and the French Thomson-CSF RC400 (a variant of the RDY-2), along with the MBDA MICA IR/RF short/medium range air-to-air missiles.
This would make the fighter more attractive.
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Can some moderator please warn this user not to copy text from Wikipedia and post it here as if it is accurate information?
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MAD F-16 low pass in Afghanistan
http://www.********.com/view?i=94a_1237991079
Can somebody recognize that single pod beneath the jet, wut kind of pod is that? sure it does not look like a sniper pod!
http://www.********.com/view?i=94a_1237991079
Can somebody recognize that single pod beneath the jet, wut kind of pod is that? sure it does not look like a sniper pod!
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* Iraq's goal to buy up to 96 F-16s through 2020
* Aims to take delivery of first 2 F-16s by 2012
* Cites perceived threats from Iran, Syria
By Jim Wolf
WASHINGTON, March 31 (Reuters) - Iraq wants to buy an initial squadron of Lockheed Martin Corp F-16 fighter aircraft this year to help guard against perceived threats from Iran and Syria after U.S. forces leave, the head of the Iraqi Air Force told Reuters on Tuesday.
Lt. Gen. Anwar Ahmed, the commander, said he hoped to sign a contract for 18 advanced F-16s as the centerpiece of billions of dollars Iraq is expected to spend on arms in coming years.
"This is very important to us," he said in a telephone interview while visiting Washington. "It is a priority."
Provided funds are made available by Iraq's Parliament, he said his goal was to buy as many as 96 F-16s through 2020. He alluded to the F-16C/D Block 50/52 models now being produced for Poland, Israel, Greece and Pakistan.
"We need this aircraft for defense of our country," Ahmed said. He cited Iran as a potential threat along with Syria, which he said has been a gateway for "terrorists" aiming to destabilize the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.
If the funds are freed and a deal is wrapped up this year, the first two Iraqi-piloted F-16s would be patrolling Iraqi skies by 2012, he said.
By that time, all U.S. armed forces are due to have left Iraq under an agreement negotiated last year. (Reporting by Jim Wolf; Editing by Tim Dobbyn)
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Military news update:
The Pentagon released a list of defense contract awards, which include an authorization for Lockheed to sell 12 F-16C and six F-16D planes to Pakistan. The F-16C is a single-seat aircraft while the F-16D is a two-seat flying machine. Pakistan already has a fleet of F-16AM, which is an upgraded single-seat version of F-16A. Pakistan is to get 18 new F-16C/D fighters by 2010 besides upgrades for its current fleet of 34 F-16 combat aircraft as part of a $2.1 billion deal for new weapons, avionics, engines, and other equipment for F-16 fighters announced in September last year. Lockheed, the Pentagon’s No. 1 contractor, won a $144 million contract in 2006 for materials needed to build the F-16s. Pakistani F-16s will be equipped with AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, AIM-9M-8/9, JDAM, Harpoon Block II, Joint-Helmet Mounted Cueing System, CFTs and possibly IRIS-T.
Politics: Pakistani War might be next
The Pentagon released a list of defense contract awards, which include an authorization for Lockheed to sell 12 F-16C and six F-16D planes to Pakistan. The F-16C is a single-seat aircraft while the F-16D is a two-seat flying machine. Pakistan already has a fleet of F-16AM, which is an upgraded single-seat version of F-16A. Pakistan is to get 18 new F-16C/D fighters by 2010 besides upgrades for its current fleet of 34 F-16 combat aircraft as part of a $2.1 billion deal for new weapons, avionics, engines, and other equipment for F-16 fighters announced in September last year. Lockheed, the Pentagon’s No. 1 contractor, won a $144 million contract in 2006 for materials needed to build the F-16s. Pakistani F-16s will be equipped with AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, AIM-9M-8/9, JDAM, Harpoon Block II, Joint-Helmet Mounted Cueing System, CFTs and possibly IRIS-T.
Politics: Pakistani War might be next
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Conformal Fuel Tanks
The most distinguishing external feature of an Advanced Block 50/52, when installed, is a set of conformal fuel tanks attached to the upper fuselage. All of these latest F-16s have structural, plumbing, and wiring provisions for the conformal tanks. The tank set holds 450 gallons (more than 3,000 pounds) of additional JP-5/8. The extra fuel increases range, loiter time, and combat persistence as well as reduces the demand for tanker support. Range increase is on the order of twenty to forty percent, depending on the stores configuration and mission profile.
The conformals, which can be used in lieu of wing tanks, free the inner wing store stations and can double the primary air-to-ground payload. The tanks have an imperceptible effect on the F-16’s agility, handling qualities, flight limits, and signature. Moreover, the tanks do not interfere with daily inspections and servicing, and the impact on maintenance access is minimal. A complete set can be removed or replaced in two hours by a small crew and a hoist.
600-Gallon Wing Tanks
The Advanced Block 50/52 variant is certified to carry the 600-gallon wing fuel tanks. These tanks increase range or persistence up to thirty percent over the standard 370-gallon wing tanks. The tanks are mounted on non-jettisonable pylons that can also carry the more common 370-gallon tanks.
Landing Gear
The Advanced Block 50/52 versions have heavy-weight landing gear designed for up to 52,000 pounds maximum takeoff gross weight.
Radar
A major enhancement is the Northrop Grumman APG-68(V)9 multimode radar, one of the most advanced radars in the skies today. This radar has more than fivefold faster processing speed and tenfold greater memory capacity over the previous APG-68(V)7/8 radar. The new processors have even higher growth potential.
A high-resolution synthetic aperture radar mode allows the pilot to locate and recognize tactical ground targets from considerable distances. In conjunction with inertially aided weapons, such as GBU-31 Joint Direct Attack Munition, the AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon, and CBU-103/104/105 Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser, the F-16 gains an enhanced capability for all-weather precision strike from standoff distances. The radar features an inertial measurement unit that improves dynamic tracking performance and provides an auto-boresight capability, which increases accuracy and eliminates the need for time-consuming mechanical boresighting.
Air-to-air improvements in-clude a thirty percent increase in detection range and improvements in functionality and tracking quality in various modes.
Radar reliability is increased by fifty percent to nearly 400 hours mean time between failures. Commercial off-the-shelf technology is expected to improve supportability significantly. Using off-the-shelf technology resolves existing issues with availability and cost of spare parts and also makes technology refreshes more affordable.
Targeting System
The Advanced Block 50/52 can employ the latest generation targeting systems, such as the Lockheed Martin Sniper XR/Pantera targeting pod that is mounted on the right inlet sensor station. In conjunction with laser-guided bombs, the pod provides day/night precision strikes from high altitudes. Among other uses, the targeting systems can be used for seeker cueing of a variety of guided weapons and covert air-to-air operations.
Navigation and Reconnaissance Pods
A navigation pod, such as LANTIRN/Pathfinder, can be fitted to the left inlet sensor station. A variety of reconnaissance pods can be carried on the centerline fuselage station.
Cockpit
The Advanced Block 50/52 cockpit features a helmet-mounted cueing system, color multifunction displays and recording equipment, cockpit lighting and external strip lighting compatible with night vision goggles, and large-capacity data transfer sets.
A choice of helmet-mounted cueing systems is available. These systems allow a pilot to direct sensors or weapons to his line of sight or to help him find a designated target. The helmet display also provides critical flight and target information to the pilot — similar to a head-up display, but in any direction the pilot looks.
Dorsal Avionics Compartment
All two-seat models of the Advanced Block 50/52 have a distinctive dorsal avionics compartment that allows these aircraft to accommodate all of the systems of the single-seat model as well as some special mission equipment and additional chaff/flare dispensers. The rear cockpit can be configured for either a weapon system operator or an instructor pilot and can be converted with a single switch in the cockpit.
Communication, Navigation, and Identification
A variety of options are available in radio communication and navigation systems, including UHF, VHF AM/FM, HF, satellite communication, tactical air navigation, VHF omnidirectional receiver, distance measuring equipment, and instrument landing system. An integrated precision navigation suite consisting of a ring laser gyro inertial navigation system, global positioning system, and a digital terrain system is standard.
A choice of data link systems is offered, including the NATO-standard Link 16, in addition to the data modem associated with the UHF/VHF radios. Link 16 provides secure, jam-resistant, high-volume data exchange on a multi-node network.
A standard feature on all F-16s today is a combined friend from foe interrogator/ transponder, which permits autonomous identification to maximize launch ranges of radar-guided air-to-air missiles.
Core Avionics and Central Computer
The Advanced Block 50/52 offers two different core avionics hardware and software architectures. Some aircraft have the modular mission computer, while other customers have opted for the latest general avionics computer. This generation of avionics computers benefits from technology advances including increased processing speeds and mem-ory capacity. They also incorporate off-the-shelf technology, which improves supportability, provides refresh roadmaps, and reduces future development costs. Some versions have a high-speed fiber optic data bus, which provides large growth potential for data throughput.Countermeasures
Equipment
All Advanced Block 50/52 versions have modern internal electronic countermeasures systems. The Greek aircraft have the Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suite, which consists of the Northrop Grumman ALR-93 radar warning receiver and electronic warfare controller, the Raytheon ALQ-187 RF jammer, and the BAE Systems ALE-47 chaff/ flare dispenser. The Israeli aircraft have an electronic warfare suite produced by Elisra. Most other Advanced Block 50/52 customers will have the ITT Advanced Internal Defensive Electronic Warfare System. These systems provide integrated electronic counter-measures, radar warning, and chaff/flare dispensing for self-protection against a wide range of threats. Internal mounting (in place of a countermeasure pod) eliminates drag, provides full spherical antenna coverage, and frees up an external station for other stores.
Engines
The Advanced Block 50/52 aircraft have a common engine bay that allows customers a choice of engines in the 29,000-pound thrust class. The Block 50s are powered by the General Electric F110-GE-129 and have the Modular Common Inlet Duct (known as the large mouth inlet). The Block 52s are powered by the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 and have a Normal Shock Inlet (known as the small mouth inlet).
On-Board Oxygen Generation
An on-board oxygen-generating system replaces the liquid oxygen system of earlier versions to provide breathable air to the pilot. The system improves maintainability, deployability, and safety
Other Equipment Options
Besides those alternatives already mentioned, F-16 customers still have the option of a drag chute, paint schemes, and the world’s largest inventory of certified stores—more than 100 items certified in approximately 5,000 configurations. The Advanced Block 50/52s are capable of delivering the US family of GPS-guided precision weapons and a variety of high-off-boresight air-to-air missiles, including the AIM-9X Sidewinder, IRIS-T, and Python
The most distinguishing external feature of an Advanced Block 50/52, when installed, is a set of conformal fuel tanks attached to the upper fuselage. All of these latest F-16s have structural, plumbing, and wiring provisions for the conformal tanks. The tank set holds 450 gallons (more than 3,000 pounds) of additional JP-5/8. The extra fuel increases range, loiter time, and combat persistence as well as reduces the demand for tanker support. Range increase is on the order of twenty to forty percent, depending on the stores configuration and mission profile.
The conformals, which can be used in lieu of wing tanks, free the inner wing store stations and can double the primary air-to-ground payload. The tanks have an imperceptible effect on the F-16’s agility, handling qualities, flight limits, and signature. Moreover, the tanks do not interfere with daily inspections and servicing, and the impact on maintenance access is minimal. A complete set can be removed or replaced in two hours by a small crew and a hoist.
600-Gallon Wing Tanks
The Advanced Block 50/52 variant is certified to carry the 600-gallon wing fuel tanks. These tanks increase range or persistence up to thirty percent over the standard 370-gallon wing tanks. The tanks are mounted on non-jettisonable pylons that can also carry the more common 370-gallon tanks.
Landing Gear
The Advanced Block 50/52 versions have heavy-weight landing gear designed for up to 52,000 pounds maximum takeoff gross weight.
Radar
A major enhancement is the Northrop Grumman APG-68(V)9 multimode radar, one of the most advanced radars in the skies today. This radar has more than fivefold faster processing speed and tenfold greater memory capacity over the previous APG-68(V)7/8 radar. The new processors have even higher growth potential.
A high-resolution synthetic aperture radar mode allows the pilot to locate and recognize tactical ground targets from considerable distances. In conjunction with inertially aided weapons, such as GBU-31 Joint Direct Attack Munition, the AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon, and CBU-103/104/105 Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser, the F-16 gains an enhanced capability for all-weather precision strike from standoff distances. The radar features an inertial measurement unit that improves dynamic tracking performance and provides an auto-boresight capability, which increases accuracy and eliminates the need for time-consuming mechanical boresighting.
Air-to-air improvements in-clude a thirty percent increase in detection range and improvements in functionality and tracking quality in various modes.
Radar reliability is increased by fifty percent to nearly 400 hours mean time between failures. Commercial off-the-shelf technology is expected to improve supportability significantly. Using off-the-shelf technology resolves existing issues with availability and cost of spare parts and also makes technology refreshes more affordable.
Targeting System
The Advanced Block 50/52 can employ the latest generation targeting systems, such as the Lockheed Martin Sniper XR/Pantera targeting pod that is mounted on the right inlet sensor station. In conjunction with laser-guided bombs, the pod provides day/night precision strikes from high altitudes. Among other uses, the targeting systems can be used for seeker cueing of a variety of guided weapons and covert air-to-air operations.
Navigation and Reconnaissance Pods
A navigation pod, such as LANTIRN/Pathfinder, can be fitted to the left inlet sensor station. A variety of reconnaissance pods can be carried on the centerline fuselage station.
Cockpit
The Advanced Block 50/52 cockpit features a helmet-mounted cueing system, color multifunction displays and recording equipment, cockpit lighting and external strip lighting compatible with night vision goggles, and large-capacity data transfer sets.
A choice of helmet-mounted cueing systems is available. These systems allow a pilot to direct sensors or weapons to his line of sight or to help him find a designated target. The helmet display also provides critical flight and target information to the pilot — similar to a head-up display, but in any direction the pilot looks.
Dorsal Avionics Compartment
All two-seat models of the Advanced Block 50/52 have a distinctive dorsal avionics compartment that allows these aircraft to accommodate all of the systems of the single-seat model as well as some special mission equipment and additional chaff/flare dispensers. The rear cockpit can be configured for either a weapon system operator or an instructor pilot and can be converted with a single switch in the cockpit.
Communication, Navigation, and Identification
A variety of options are available in radio communication and navigation systems, including UHF, VHF AM/FM, HF, satellite communication, tactical air navigation, VHF omnidirectional receiver, distance measuring equipment, and instrument landing system. An integrated precision navigation suite consisting of a ring laser gyro inertial navigation system, global positioning system, and a digital terrain system is standard.
A choice of data link systems is offered, including the NATO-standard Link 16, in addition to the data modem associated with the UHF/VHF radios. Link 16 provides secure, jam-resistant, high-volume data exchange on a multi-node network.
A standard feature on all F-16s today is a combined friend from foe interrogator/ transponder, which permits autonomous identification to maximize launch ranges of radar-guided air-to-air missiles.
Core Avionics and Central Computer
The Advanced Block 50/52 offers two different core avionics hardware and software architectures. Some aircraft have the modular mission computer, while other customers have opted for the latest general avionics computer. This generation of avionics computers benefits from technology advances including increased processing speeds and mem-ory capacity. They also incorporate off-the-shelf technology, which improves supportability, provides refresh roadmaps, and reduces future development costs. Some versions have a high-speed fiber optic data bus, which provides large growth potential for data throughput.Countermeasures
Equipment
All Advanced Block 50/52 versions have modern internal electronic countermeasures systems. The Greek aircraft have the Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suite, which consists of the Northrop Grumman ALR-93 radar warning receiver and electronic warfare controller, the Raytheon ALQ-187 RF jammer, and the BAE Systems ALE-47 chaff/ flare dispenser. The Israeli aircraft have an electronic warfare suite produced by Elisra. Most other Advanced Block 50/52 customers will have the ITT Advanced Internal Defensive Electronic Warfare System. These systems provide integrated electronic counter-measures, radar warning, and chaff/flare dispensing for self-protection against a wide range of threats. Internal mounting (in place of a countermeasure pod) eliminates drag, provides full spherical antenna coverage, and frees up an external station for other stores.
Engines
The Advanced Block 50/52 aircraft have a common engine bay that allows customers a choice of engines in the 29,000-pound thrust class. The Block 50s are powered by the General Electric F110-GE-129 and have the Modular Common Inlet Duct (known as the large mouth inlet). The Block 52s are powered by the Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 and have a Normal Shock Inlet (known as the small mouth inlet).
On-Board Oxygen Generation
An on-board oxygen-generating system replaces the liquid oxygen system of earlier versions to provide breathable air to the pilot. The system improves maintainability, deployability, and safety
Other Equipment Options
Besides those alternatives already mentioned, F-16 customers still have the option of a drag chute, paint schemes, and the world’s largest inventory of certified stores—more than 100 items certified in approximately 5,000 configurations. The Advanced Block 50/52s are capable of delivering the US family of GPS-guided precision weapons and a variety of high-off-boresight air-to-air missiles, including the AIM-9X Sidewinder, IRIS-T, and Python
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I remember reading somewhere that a down scale version of an AESA radar is also being developed for the Block-52 and costumers will have a choice to either go for the APG-68 V9 radar or perhaps the AESA version developed by a different firm. Does any one has more news on that.
Moreover i think Blain sir once mentioned about PAF discussing the possible feasibility with Lockheed martin about the possible integration of an AN/APG-80 radar over the block 52. Does any one has more news related to that, some senior member perhaps can shed some more light to this.
Thanks in advance.
Moreover i think Blain sir once mentioned about PAF discussing the possible feasibility with Lockheed martin about the possible integration of an AN/APG-80 radar over the block 52. Does any one has more news related to that, some senior member perhaps can shed some more light to this.
Thanks in advance.
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