Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Zob]

Thanks Arsalan...for ur help and if u can bro please just clear it out because some posts are really getting confusing concerning the F-16's being offered to India...are they in the rang of BLOCK 60's th ones that UAE has. and i also want to post a link for the J11B...becaue that thread has been closed...i just want to lear out the misconception that J11B is an "indeginously" bulit chinese aircraft that it an export!!! Sukhoi piracy: Russia warns to sue China i hoe this link helps people know that pakistan canot acquire he J11B's without Russian approval and i think F-16's is a good option until our JF-17's are development improvesin the next decade. as for FC-20 and Mki being compared well i am sorry u cannot compare an apple to a pear!! FC-20 has a less powerfull radar has no TVC that we know of...please correct me if i am wrong...

 

[Zob]

and staying on the BVR topic when will the first BVR missiles be delivered to us i read an article saying PAF cannot get the AIM-120C5's til 2011...as i am still a rookiei can't post links....so i am sorry. of the record i don't uderstand that India had BVR's during the Kargil conflict while our F-16's couldnot lock on to the nemy aicraftsdue to no BVR's why did we take so long to finalize acquring BVR's for our F-16's??!!

 

[mean_bird]

I think only some over patriotic fans think that J-11B is 'indigenous chinese' that can be offered to other countries without russian approval. J-11 is a licensed copy of Su-27 and J-11B is just another version of it. If it were indigenous, it won't go by the name J-11.

Secondly, for FC-20 it depends on what is being offered. Till date its only speculations as ACM said a deal will be finalized so it hasn't yet and nobody knows the specs. It could be anything from an equivalent of a F-16 c/d to a more advanced one. My guess is it will be 'slightly' better than the F-16c/d but I seriously doubt it will have TVC thats in the MKI or such an advanced radar.

@Zob

sanctions from US most probably

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Really? That is a pretty bold statement, but I do hope you are right.

YouTube - Pakistan Airforce acquiring 5th generation advanced fighters

DAWN was wrong in saying that FC-20 is a 5th gen fighter but rather a 4.5.

PAF version will be simillar to this one but with western avionics.



China working on 'Super-10' advanced fighter

By Henry Ivanov JDW Correspondent
Moscow

China is developing an advanced version of the Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Corporation (CAC) J-10 multirole fighter aircraft, referred to as the Super-10, with a more powerful engine, thrust-vector control, stronger airframe and passive phased-array radar, according to Russian sources.

Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG (RSK-MiG) specialists, contracted to provide technical assistance to Chinese design houses, said the enhancement to the J-10 airframe is a logical step, since the fighter was initially intended to have the compact Pratt&Whitney PW1120 engine that powered the Israeli Lavi aircraft, which served as a basis for the J-10.

However, the imposition of US export restrictions forced the decision to install the 20 per cent heavier Russian AL-31FN engine, which requires a larger intake as it needs 40 per cent more air flow.

In late 2005 China placed a USD300 million order for a second batch of AL-31FN engines; these are a derivative of the Su-27's AL-31F for single-engine aircraft, with a lower positioning of the gearbox. At first, it was believed the contract was for the same engines as in the first batch of 54 units supplied in 2001-02 and installed into development prototypes and initial production J-10s. However, AL-31FN-maker Moscow Machine Production Plant (MMPP) Salyut in December 2005 revealed the order to be for the AL-31FN M1, which is claimed to be a new AL-31FN production standard.

The company's general manager, Yuri Eliseyev, said the new engine was purposely developed for what he referred to as the "Chinese Super-10 fighter". Four such engines have been seen assembled at MMPP Salyut's Moscow production site. One of these has been demonstrated undergoing fire testing, during which its swivel nozzle was deflected up/down and sideways at full power and reheated thrust.

 

[superbikez]

is that PAF going for this ????

 

[superbikez]

Thank u very much sir but its just a statment used by Tanveer mehmood "we will get modern F16s in 2010" i wanted to know pure article related PAF go for BLOCK 50/52. If any article statement or any thing "written" available kindly share.

thanks

 

[IceCold]

I was always of this opinion and i have stated the same in the F-16 thread that we should have had atleast procured 36 of the new generation F-16s. There is no point in obtaining just 18.

 

[mean_bird]

Exactly; far better is what PAF is doing i.e get 18 and provision for 18 more.

Lets get the 18 first and if all goes well we can order 18 more if we need them rather than having our money stuck for 36 aircrafts and some new sanctions come into place and we do not have money to buy any alternate. This way we are using the money for the additional 18 F-16s for the FC-20.

 

[superbikez]

seriously i dun like chines stuff... IF US deliver Block 50/52 in 2011 (18) thn PAF must go for atleast more 50-60 BLOCK 50/52 F16s if PAF have budget btw 2010-2015. In front of me If US shown his true friendly relationship in Weapons thn PAF go for F16s and F18 Superhornet... its my opinion becuz IAF have Quantity with very nice jet SU30 MKI so PAF should go for F16s block 50/52 and superhornet.

 

[Kasrkin]

I just asked a serving officer of the PAF and he told me that there isn’t much difference between the Block 52 and Block 60s. But that the Block 60s are only used by Israel and UAE therefore getting spare parts for them would be a downright pain in the arse which is primarily the reason why they chose the Block 52 which has more widespread service in the international market.

 

[mean_bird]

seriously i dun like chines stuff... IF US deliver Block 50/52 in 2011 (18) thn PAF must go for atleast more 50-60 BLOCK 50/52 F16s if PAF have budget btw 2010-2015. In front of me If US shown his true friendly relationship in Weapons thn PAF go for F16s and F18 Superhornet... its my opinion becuz IAF have Quantity with very nice jet SU30 MKI so PAF should go for F16s block 50/52 and superhornet.

dear, you are assuming that everything is available to us and PAF has the luxury to choose what it wants which is not the case

nobody is offering us a F-18 superhornet so irrespective of what you wish, we ain't getting any anytime soon. And whether or not you like chinese stuff, they are the best and most affordable things we can buy. If we want to be choosers, we will have to develop something ourselves.

Hell the only reason the US thinks it was a mistake to sanction us and is now willing to give us the F-16 is because we can get the FC-20 anyway so they can't do ****. Hence they might just cash the oppurtunity while showing to be doing us a favor by giving us those F-16s.

And the only reason why we are getting those F-16s after all this is firstly, we don't want to severe relationship with US, We have already paid for some F-16s and also have some facility and training on them and also as good as our friendship is with china, nobody puts all his goods in the same basket.

 

[RS4]

I think the PAF must explore all options, i dnt believe that BLK 52 will not be delivered, but once they are here if PAF need more which i am sure the PAF will then we can order more. Also i think the PAF want to see what the out come of India MRCA programme is in which both F16 BLK 70 and FA 18 /E/F are in as tenders for the deal The FC20 is also a good option as it is based on the Israili Lavi fighter which is essential a delta wing F16. However i would like to see in the not so distant future a European fighter in the Paf possibly Rafle etc
Thanks RS4

 

[PAFAce]

is that PAF going for this ????

I think I had read previously something about increased stealth for the Pakistani F-16 Block 50/52. I mean, I had heard some stuff about modified intakes to reduce infrared (heat) signature and RADAR deflection on this and other forums. Was that all that fanboy hype or will the B/52 be modified further for Pakistan?

 

[TOPGUN]

I agree with RS4 let the first batch of 18 aircraft come to us and then i think we should order the 18 more we need these babies i rather have these 36 then any other aircraft to be put on order!!

 

[Neo]

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