Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[mirage 5000]

Watch closely "PAKISTAN FLAG"

nope its greek flag i have large size image sometime before its not pakistani sir .

look here original location of image
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=f621ee04-f084-4862-a0c2-2238dc1af4f2

 

[mirage 5000]

got it

full size HAF F-16D array, Tenagra 2008

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/greek-f16-weapons-sale-clearing-for-takeoff-01397/






"Archangel '05" Airshow, Tanagra, Greece.

In the next shelter F-16C Block 52+ "537" from 340 Mira was seen displaying some of its weaponry which included among others HARM, AFDS, AMRAAM, while the JHMCS is also seen. CFT's are also on the plane.

http://www.acig.info/CMS/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=99&Itemid=47

 

[airbus101]

Hellenic Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

AGM-154C JSOW.

Think again.
I think it is some kind of ALCM.

 

[Hello_10]

The first aircraft of of a new batch is always retained untill the end of production run for the order. The aircraft is designated as "Lead the Fleet" aircraft. This is done with all other orders as well. Basically, the LTF is done to ensure later modifications or integration of later weapons, avionics, ergonmics etc. that the user might require after the receipt of the first lot of production batch and the flight and PAT cycle is completed.

The inspection and PAT -- Performance Acceptance Test, is conducted by an independant inspection team on behalf of the user in this case PAF (Paid for and incorporated in the pricing of the program). It is an exhaustive PAT/inspection which is followed up by an exhaustive report to the user on compliance and non-compliance of performance against what was ordered. Mostly the technicians and engineers are ex. USAF or from other airforces with specialisation in the aircraft type they are inspecting. The USAF does an exhaustive flight testing on behalf of user inUS or designated waystation/base.

Some of the NATO airforces do their own flight testing and accpetance in US. Singapore is one of the few non NATO countries that does their PAT in US.

Good news however ... what about the news of 18 more blk 52's ? or that just a rumor and any news if US will free up older vipers for us?

One question, how much is the difference between J10 and F16 block52? I guess little, not much. Then, why to pay twice and beg to US, an unreliable supplier?

 

[araz]

It is not just the cost of a plane that is involved here. PAF has a history going back 30 yrs with F16s. We have 2-3 generations of pilots that have grown up with F16s. We have standardized techniques of attack and defence which it has developed with its F16s. PAF has an established infra structure for repair and its engineers are used to the ins and outs of the plane. To establish all of this takes yrs and this and a lot of money. To give you an idea, PLAAF is a lot more richer than PAF, yet still operates a host of F7s when it clearly has a better plane in FC1 which can easily replace them and a lot more quicker than J10A. Yet it does not do so. Why?
Araz

 

[unicorn]

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[Sapper]

what hanky panky is being done?

Dear,

Topic-1
In Pakistan, the children are often told a bedtime-story by the name of "Cat is the Aunt of Lion" (Billi Shair ki Khala hoti hai). In short, a cat trains a lion-cub, and when the Lion grows, and learns everything, it decides to attack its master (the cat) for some reason, at which time the cat climbs a tree and says, I have taught you everything but have kept a trick up my sleeve for this very day. Same is the case here ...

Any country while selling arms reserves the right to ensure that the weapons shall not be used against themself, and this can be assured using verbal and written contracts and also using sophisticated programs. I respect this from my heart, and I believe every self-respecting and intelligent community will behave in similar fashion.

For example, If Pakistan sells JF-17, it would be Pakistan's right to write software routines in Fire-Control-Codes such that a foreign country to whom we have exported this, cannot use our own weapon against us. If not, then the citizens of Pakistan have a right to demand trial of the people responsible of making and selling the equipment to that country without ensuring that it cannot be used against our own military and civilians. God forbid, if any JF-17 sold to any foreign nation, flies in and bombs Pakistani soldiers or civilians, what would be sentiments of the nation? I am 100% confident that the citizens, army, and weapons-builders of US have the same sentiments, and they make sure that their own weapons cannot be used against them, whenever they can. I respect that.

Lets take USA out of the equation. Lets say China tells PAF that we have placed routines in KLJ-7 radar's fire-control-computers aboard the JF-17 to prevent it from firing onto any PLAAF fighters. Would PAF object ? Not a chance. In fact, PAF might ask to put PAF tranponder codes into the exception list as well, so that when sold to third-party buyers, both PLAAF and PAF fighters are safe from being the target of any buyer gone rogue.

Self-preservation is built into humanity's genes, the sooner you learn this the better.

--------------------------------------------

Topic-2

This is NOT our viper. Reasons ...

1. Paint scheme is clearly not PAF.
2. I am dead sure that JSOW and AGM-88-HARM (both in the picture) were not part of PAF's weapon's package in 2006.
3. Hanger design is clearly indicates that its not on any PAF base. PAF uses Hardened hangers made of concrete.

All my knowledge suggests that HARM was denied export to PAF, after which PAF went for Brazilian MAR-1. The reason is mentioned before, i.e. Self-Preservation. US usually denies PAF technologies whose Counter-Measure aren't in possession of their armed forces at that moment. HARM is one of those missiles that once fired, even US's own radar sites have no counter-measure for it, as evident from the friendly fire incident of 2003 when an F16 destroyed a Patriot site by mistake.

Regards,
Sapper

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Dear,

1. Paint scheme is clearly not PAF.
2. I am dead sure that JSOW and AGM-88-HARM (both in the picture) were not part of PAF's weapon's package in 2006.

Wont you mind showing us where JSOW is here in this hanger.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

AGM-154C JSOW.

Dear,

1. Paint scheme is clearly not PAF.
2. I am dead sure that JSOW and AGM-88-HARM (both in the picture) were not part of PAF's weapon's package in 2006.

Here is your JSOW
Bombkapsel 90 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Other weapons in Hanger Right to left.
1. IRIS-T
2. AIM-120
3. AGM-65C
4. GBU-12
5. MK-82 2000lb
6. Bombkapsel 90 (Stand off weapon)
7. AGM-88 HARM
8. GBU-24 (on the other side - left)
9. Aim-9L/M (on the other side - left)

 

[RayKalm]

Inaugural flight on newly inducted F-16D Block 52+ by ACM Qamar Suleman - February 13, 2012 - YouTube

 

[Donatello]

Sitting, Right to Left....Third person.......is Lt Gen Zahir-ul-islam.....commander V Corps.


What is he doing there?

 

[VelocuR]

Here is your JSOW

Details here:

Thanks to Sapper, it explained perfectly sense, it confirmed my thought. Absolutely, Pakistan can't fire at its master cat who taught you everything.

 

[Donatello]

Hi,

Please stop posting pics and pics of weapons that have nothing to do with PAF.

It's creates confusion.


Moderators are completely useless!!!!

 

[Edevelop]

Jacobabad is quite far from Kashmir. Indian threat is Punjab, Northern Areas isn't it?

So the point is, Why have we placed the F-16 Block 52s there when Sargodha or Peshawar, or somewhere North West is ideal?

If i had to make a decision, i would place the initial 2 JF-17 Squadrons in Jacobabad and 2 F-16 Block 52 Squadrons in Peshawar...