Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

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Now decide F16, J10, J11, or J17
Chengdu J-10
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.2 at altitude,[28][44] Mach 1.2 at sea level[7]
g-limits: +9/-3 g (+88/-29 m/s², +290/-97 ft/s²[7])
Combat radius: 1600 km[45] with in-flight refueling
1100 km without in flight refueling[34] ()
Ferry range: 3200 km [34] ()
Service ceiling: 20,300 m [34] (66,601 ft [34][46])
Wing loading: 335 kg/m² (69 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.98 (with AL-31); 1.03 (with WS-10A)


F-16 Falcon
Performance
Maximum speed:
At sea level: Mach 1.2 (915 mph, 1,470 km/h)[44]
At altitude: Mach 2+ (1,500 mph, 2,410 km/h[1]) clean configuration
Combat radius: 340 mi (295 nmi, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with six 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs
Ferry range: 2,280 NM (2,620 mi, 4,220 km) with drop tanks
Service ceiling: 60,000+ ft (18,000+ m)
Rate of climb: 50,000 ft/min (254 m/s)
Wing loading: 88.3 lb/ft² (431 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 1.095



Shenyang J-11Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.35 (2,500 km/h, 1,550 mph) at altitude
Range: 3,530 km (2,070 mi)
Service ceiling: 18,500 m (62,523 ft)
Rate of climb: 300 m/s[29] (64,000 ft/min)
Wing loading: 371.0 kg/m² (76 lb/ft²)

Jf17 Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.8[10][47] (1,191 knots, 2,205 km/h)
Combat radius: 1,352 km[16] (840 mi)
Ferry range: 3,480 km[131] (1,880 NM = 2,160 mi)
Service ceiling: 16,920 m[131] (55,500 ft)
Thrust/weight: 0.95 [10][16]

I believe Pakistan should go for J11B or J11S if offered, because J11 have maximum speed of 2500Km/h more than F16 and latest Indian Su-30MKI(max speed 2,120 km/h).Speed is also important factor Its ok Pak have F16s, But i can't see,there is any
reason to buy More f16 B52+. Not bad to rely on Jf17Block-ii, J11 and J10B in future. In current
scenario J10B is also awesome choice,Current F16s are still threat to india.

first of all SPEED is not the judging factorto which aircraft to buy second j series twin engin jet have been looked in to a countless times by PAF but we cant buy these goodies yet 1 we do not have the funds 2 PAF may not buy a jet india have experience with remembering its the same air frame more or less to SU 30 as the same thing happened whit F16 IN in MMRCA tender.
even if we jet these jets PAF in its current form will not use them they will be preffered for navy.
J 10b/FC 20 is already a good choice its nimble and loaded with tech with F16 it will do wonders and JF 17 is a growing sysetm and with good future and as we r not going to war any time soon i guss we shouls work slow and wise with these existing affordable programs.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

first of all SPEED is not the judging factorto which aircraft to buy second j series twin engin jet have been looked in to a countless times by PAF but we cant buy these goodies yet 1 we do not have the funds 2 PAF may not buy a jet india have experience with remembering its the same air frame more or less to SU 30 as the same thing happened whit F16 IN in MMRCA tender.
even if we jet these jets PAF in its current form will not use them they will be preffered for navy.
J 10b/FC 20 is already a good choice its nimble and loaded with tech with F16 it will do wonders and JF 17 is a growing sysetm and with good future and as we r not going to war any time soon i guss we shouls work slow and wise with these existing affordable programs.

J11 have both single seat version and dual seat version.
J-11BH -A Naval version of the J-11B
where J-11B - A multirole version. Chinese officials commented that the J-11B could match the performance of the F-15SE Silent Eagle, Eurofighter Typhoon, and Su-35.

 

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J11 have both single seat version and dual seat version.
J-11BH -A Naval version of the J-11B
where J-11B - A multirole version. Chinese officials commented that the J-11B could match the performance of the F-15SE Silent Eagle, Eurofighter Typhoon, and Su-35.

my frind i know all that u said above but having single or tandem seating does not affect the reasons i gave on accuiring a twin engin fighter.
Military Aviation
go to this link there have been countless discussions on similar topic and than when u think u r educated enough come and talk to me.

 

[ahussains]

Chinese dependency is better than American

 

[regular]

I guess we shold go for J10B's and JF-17 blockII...they shold be enough for our defence requirements....if really need J11B's could get based on its requirements.....

 

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Izmir - Turkey

 

[Shahzad Sultan]

Awesome yaar, I love F-16

 

[Manticore]

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[epinephrine]

block 2 JFT,F-16s n J-10 will do the job for PAF quite effectively till 2020.after 2020 PAF must induct stealthy air crafts in order to keep pace with the rest of the world.J-11 doesn't fit well in this whole picture

 

[Last Hope]

Pakistan is working on stealth today.
We have got a joint venture with China.

No need to think beyond 2020. We will have then by 2017.

 

[regular]

Pakistan is working on stealth today.
We have got a joint venture with China.

No need to think beyond 2020. We will have then by 2017.

Or probably even way before that if we needed.....

 

[Last Hope]

Or probably even way before that if we needed.....

You can get it in 2 years. All depends on funding.

 

[isi admirer]

it is stated that block 1 jft will retire after 50 pieces bt we have got about 48 bt we hadnt seen any block 2 prototype how its gona be possible that we wil suddenly induct another block without testing it

 

[krash]

it is stated that block 1 jft will retire after 50 pieces bt we have got about 48 bt we hadnt seen any block 2 prototype how its gona be possible that we wil suddenly induct another block without testing it

We havent seen it does not mean that it is not being tested.

 

[hatf IX]

whats about MLU f-16 i heard pakistan received three from turkey . . .