Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Blacklight]

Gents,

I hate to be late at a good debate.

These are 4 x F-16s escorting Gulfstream G450 of Sohail Aman while he was enroute to Islamabad for the last time as chief.

Some more shots from the same occasion.

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I had a video of his last flt, will try to look it up. He had tears in his eyes.

For some people it is not a job.

 

[TsAr]

Air Commodore Shigri, Wing Commander at that time. He's the one who had that painful flight back.

Are you talking about Air Commodore (retired) Shahid Hamid Shigri....Surprised he was not let go off...

 

[GriffinsRule]

Air Commodore Shigri, Wing Commander at that time. He's the one who had that painful flight back.

Was it Sqn Ldr Azmat the No.4 whose aircraft was hit?

 

[Raider 21]

Are you talking about Air Commodore (retired) Shahid Hamid Shigri....Surprised he was not let go off...

Unfortunate but safe. Should have never happened.

2 PAF Falcons and a JF-17 Lined up at Izmir During 100th anniversary of Turkish Airforce F16s
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Great shot. 85726 is the Viper that shot down 85720.

 

[Tom_Cruise]

Are you talking about Air Commodore (retired) Shahid Hamid Shigri....Surprised he was not let go off...

A classic case of knowing too many people in the heirachy to get away with such a blunder.

If a younger pilot committed such a costly error that could have killed another pilot, would he have gotten away with it?

 

[airomerix]

I had a video of his last flt, will try to look it up. He had tears in his eyes.

For some people it is not a job.

if you're referring to the video in which he is communicating with the vipers then yes, it was leaked. Unfortunately.

 

[truthfollower]

if you're referring to the video in which he is communicating with the vipers then yes, it was leaked. Unfortunately.

via whatsapp forwarded messages most probably?

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And there were no SOPs for exercises before 2006?

 

[airomerix]

via whatsapp forwarded messages most probably?

That too. The FO of the aircraft was not very responsible in this manner since he made that video.

 

[Safriz]

Air Commodore Shigri, Wing Commander at that time. He's the one who had that painful flight back.

Was that the second "own goal".
There was another in the 80s when Falcons were intercepting an Afghan/ soviet air intrusion?
Don't remember much about it though.

 

[Blacklight]

if you're referring to the video in which he is communicating with the vipers then yes, it was leaked. Unfortunately.

Not unfortunate, it shows our uniform brothers dedication and passion.

 

[airomerix]

Not unfortunate, it shows our uniform brothers dedication and passion.

I'm sure it was eye candy for most of us. But cockpit footages are highly sensitive. You can potentially collect information related to callsigns, squawk codes and frequencies from the 'background noise'.

There was a strong reaction by the AHQ later towards the FO. It was for a reason.

 

[Safriz]

if you're referring to the video in which he is communicating with the vipers then yes, it was leaked. Unfortunately.

These leaks are often unintended and unfortunate.
I run a few large social media platforms, with others of course.
I was forwarded a video of Chinese JH-7 flying alongside PAF mirages , by a close friend.
It was a good video, recorded by the Mirage pilot himself.
I watermarked it and posted on one of the Facebook pages I operated.
Video went viral and within a few days it was everywhere.
About a week later I received a message from the Mirage pilot himself asking me to take down the video.
I already knew his name because the friend of mine who forwarded me the video said that it was recorded by squadron leader XYZ.
So I knew the request is genuine.
I deleted the video from my Facebook pages and files a copyright claim against other pages who also posted the video. It got removed from Facebook.
A month later the same squadron leader contacted me again asking me to get the video removed from YouTube as it was then threading on YouTube.
He was the original owner of the video but had no way of proving it. But the video had my watermark so I became the owner of the video.
یعنی ٹوپی میرے سر پہ
I made multiple copyright claims on YouTube and the video disappeared from YouTube.
Then it again appeared on Dailymotion, Twitter and other video hosting sites.
The squadron leader again contacted me and this time I had to politely refuses any further actions from me as I had enough.
I asked him why he is spending so much time and effort in searching the internet for the video and trying to take it down?
He said that the Chinese are not happy as the configuration in which JH-7 were flying alongside him was not to be made public.
I asked him , why he released the video in the first place?
He said he is from a certain cadet college and posted the video in a Watts app group only populated by his cadet college colleagues he trusted.
It made sense because I knew that my friend studied in the same cadet college.
He asked me how I got the video and I refused to tell him , because my friend who gave me the video was also his friend and I didn't want to cause friction between them.
I then contacted my friend who originally gave me the video. Told him the whole story and he was well and truly ashamed.
He said that the Watts app group has many serving servicemen who regularly post quite sensitive material on there, but nobody leaks it out of the group. That particular video didn't look sensitive and he just thought it's some Chinese planes flying with Pakistani planes, which looked cool and he forwarded the video to me without thinking much. And that the squadron leader never asked people to not show the video to outsiders.
My friend is not in military, but in oil and gas industry.
I don't know what consequences the squadron leader faced. But I still see that video on the internet, as whatever goes on the internet, stays there forever.
Morale of the story is that servicemen should not post sensitive material on Watts app groups in the first place.

 

[FuturePAF]

These leaks are often unintended and unfortunate.
I run a few large social media platforms, with others of course.
I was forwarded a video of Chinese JH-7 flying alongside PAF mirages , by a close friend.
It was a good video, recorded by the Mirage pilot himself.
I watermarked it and posted on one of the Facebook pages I operated.
Video went viral and within a few days it was everywhere.
About a week later I received a message from the Mirage pilot himself asking me to take down the video.
I already knew his name because the friend of mine who forwarded me the video said that it was recorded by squadron leader XYZ.
So I knew the request is genuine.
I deleted the video from my Facebook pages and files a copyright claim against other pages who also posted the video. It got removed from Facebook.
A month later the same squadron leader contacted me again asking me to get the video removed from YouTube as it was then threading on YouTube.
He was the original owner of the video but had no way of proving it. But the video had my watermark so I became the owner of the video.
یعنی ٹوپی میرے سر پہ
I made multiple copyright claims on YouTube and the video disappeared from YouTube.
Then it again appeared on Dailymotion, Twitter and other video hosting sites.
The squadron leader again contacted me and this time I had to politely refuses any further actions from me as I had enough.
I asked him why he is spending so much time and effort in searching the internet for the video and trying to take it down?
He said that the Chinese are not happy as the configuration in which JH-7 were flying alongside him was not to be made public.
I asked him , why he released the video in the first place?
He said he is from a certain cadet college and posted the video in a Watts app group only populated by his cadet college colleagues he trusted.
It made sense because I knew that my friend studied in the same cadet college.
He asked me how I got the video and I refused to tell him , because my friend who gave me the video was also his friend and I didn't want to cause friction between them.
I then contacted my friend who originally gave me the video. Told him the whole story and he was well and truly ashamed.
He said that the Watts app group has many serving servicemen who regularly post quite sensitive material on there, but nobody leaks it out of the group. That particular video didn't look sensitive and he just thought it's some Chinese planes flying with Pakistani planes, which looked cool and he forwarded the video to me without thinking much. And that the squadron leader never asked people to not show the video to outsiders.
My friend is not in military, but in oil and gas industry.
I don't know what consequences the squadron leader faced. But I still see that video on the internet, as whatever goes on the internet, stays there forever.
Morale of the story is that servicemen should not post sensitive material on Watts app groups in the first place.

Servicemen and especially cadets may not know what is truly considered sensitive. We need some kind of filter (preferable a human filter) on all communications that requires posts to be vetted before they are allowed to go out.

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2015/8/21/9189591/air-force-loose-tweets-destroy-fleets-slogan

Wondering why the Viper is unarmed, possibly because it was only doing a visual check?

Would love to see an intercept with a Sniper Pod, although if they can do an ID with a sniper pod they would not have to get this close if this was an actual intercept and not a salute to the air chief.

 

[Safriz]

Air forces do this sometimes for training, just intercept an airliner obtain visual ID and RTB

Makes sense because the jet is a two seat/ trainer version.

Anyone here in knowledge of an incident in recent history whereby a PAF F-16 took out a PAF Mirage using a live AAM in a training sortie?

Mirages don't need to be taken down by F-16.
They regularly fall off the sky anyway

 

[Incog_nito]

Are we working with US to get some addition 22 new F-16s?