Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[mingle]

There is no such thing as "new off the shelf" when it comes to fighter jets. Each batch is custom built for the clients specific requirements, and no 2 air arms have the same specification.

Off the shelf mean some time things already half baked

 

[mingle]

Yes it is 100% OEM supported.

US has not halted Pakistan's F-16 sustainment program due to strong protest lodged before buying the Block 52's back in 2005. And trust me when I say this, the guys at Lockheed were embarrassed. Their lobbies work in great favor for Pakistan in Congress to date. Some written agreements were also signed back then for continuity of sustainment program as long as Pakistan was not blacklisted or earns the status of a 'failed state'. There is a reason why keep spotting our C-130's at Denver AFB, embargo or not.



The air life is a highly classified information. We cannot know for sure if it is 25% or 50% in this point in time.

However, the best I know is, we are good to go for the next 15 years on average before the first of the missiles come close to the 1800 hrs mark. This calculation takes into account full scale standoffs with frequent CAP times.



US would sell Pakistan F-35's if we had the buck.

When Congress puts embargo on Pakistan and halts such contracts, it takes a toll on US jobs. And they dont want to lose their seats in their home states.

The Zulu's are coming. Whether you like it or not.

Off the topic is PAA interested more Zulus once these delivered??

 

[MastanKhan]

This was 10 years ago and today Indian lobby is 10 times stronger! You do not know how many important positions Indian origin hold in US government and businesses, and US is in a stage that it would never jeopardize their relationship with India.
Next time Pakistan gets something from US is when they need Pakistan to do their dirty work.

Hi,

Indian lobby was stronger---but no more---.

 

[mingle]

Hi,

Indian lobby was stronger---but no more---.

MK Democrats not gonna win next election its Trump all the way. Let this Afghanistan peace deal signed Pak will be in better position and can fetch on Iran and Daesh khurasan. Also trade war between US and India just started Larry cudlow is not going with Trump unless india won't give trade concessions US won't get soft on them like they dealt with China hard times for india ahead both internal and external.this also shows US sees India as future rival or enemy not a friend or Allie so Pak will be there to check india as cop.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Hi,

Indian lobby was stronger---but no more---.

lets hope thats the case.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

lets hope thats the case.

Trump ain't happy with India. Let's see if he can pull a China on India.

 

[mingle]

Trump ain't happy with India. Let's see if he can pull a China on India.

India has little or No chance against US arm twisting even China couldn't stand against US India is like fish in Jar. Bottom line india has to Give In.

 

[The Eagle]

The KSA deal was forced through because Trump claimed it was a national security issue. Something Congress -- both Democrats and Republicans -- were not happy about. It will be interesting to see if Trump tries to do the same thing with Pakistan, considering there's no emergency or national security. How can they be when US is withdrawing from Afghanistan?

It's interesting that Pakistan thinks it will get more than the usual from US: F-16 Blocks 70s, V upgrades for existing F-16s, AIM-9x, AIM-120D, etc. I know the Khafee leaks say otherwise, but I have doubts. Why would US give Pakistan a conventional edge over India?

Man whatever the reason, the argument of Congress halting sale and POTUS can't do anything, is flawed and proven wrong with facts as discussed. What will happen in case of Pakistan, be seen when time comes but to say that Congress wouldn't do it, is merely nothing but an olive branch for the satisfaction of an individual. Whether POTUs does it in the name of National Security or like Meri Marzi; doesn't matter. The argument is settled & established the fact that Trump can do it regardless of Congress etc disagreement.

Hi,

Excellent analysis---. No one dare challenge Pres Trump---.

Literally surprised by the self satisfactory narrative that congress or democrats etc will do this or that where we have a settled case how Trump does it in case if he wants to. How he will do it, is the different matter but that is none of the concern as long as goodies coming home. Trump has already proven the narrative wrong.

However, how Trump makes an executive decision for Pakistan or wouldn't do it, is different thing but he has the authority to do it in-case we aren't able to convince Congress. Furthermore, LM has a good say in congress.

 

[Talon]

From the archives

 

[mshan44]

 

[litman]

From the archives

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i think its from the earlier anatolion eagle exercises when our f-16s were not MLUed.PAF was seriously handicapped at that time with virtually not a single BVR capable fighter in its fleet.

 

[airomerix]

Some nice shots of legacy Block 15's at Nellis. Beautiful birds.

 

[Windjammer]

 

[Aadi_1591]

Maybe they are waiting for this.
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which plane is this? j10 something?

 

[jupiter2007]

which plane is this? j10 something?

Artist impression of Future J-10 variant.