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Who dreams of surgical strikes Sonny
Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2
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This from the very top.
''Since they are specific to each aircraft and cannot be interchanged, both are serving us well. Both have very similar capabilities. So as long as the F-16 and JF-17 are up in the air, Modi better watch out.''
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Why your air Force never comes in Pakistan . Your officials always talk about air strikes . But none are carried out still yet
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Theyll be engaged at extended ranges, no chance of a dog fight. AESA and SD-10A will handle your IAF neatly.
Those options are for export customers who like to have western goodies. The performance of jf-17 has been a point of satisfaction in PAF's top brass but they always prefer to keep options open. Though that route is unlikely in my opinion.
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Thank you @Dazzler and @Windjammer for your timely response....just another question if you guys dont mind....instead of JF 17 why dont we upgrade our F 16's with VIXEN and integrate A Darter with it because they have JHMCS to utilize it fully
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All PAF F-16s have been upgraded close to Block-52 standards.
The old A/ B ones ? They got MLU right ? Or 52+ update ?
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The block a and b f16 mid life upgrade programme does not bring these legacy forty year old fighters to same standards as the block 52.
Even after upgrades the block 52.still has a newer engine . And far superior radar. And bigger choice of stand off weapons
This is the reason why most block a and block b falcons are being scrapped across the world IE Jordan Israel Holland Norway Denmark etc.
Yes you upgrade then but the airframe engine are the same bar minor work .
The big addition is bvr capability and slight improvement in apg63 radar to version three from version one .
Regardless of this I rate the f16 mlu and block 52.as the biggest hurdle for Indian air force to overcome
The f16 has S fifty fifty or better chance against any mki mig29 or mirage 2000.
That ratio drops. To 40/60.when you consider thunders because USA radars and amraam are better than Chinese klj radar and SD bvr.
Rafale arrival next year is total dominance period
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they got so much more . MLU + star upgrade
tem 3: F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits – $1.3 billion
JHMCS
According to the US DSCA, Pakistan intends to purchase the Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) Program equipment “to enhance survivability, communications connectivity, and extend the useful life of its F-16A/B fighter aircraft. The modifications and upgrades in this proposed sale will permit Pakistan’s F-16A/B squadron to operate safely, and enhance Pakistan’s conventional deterrent capability. Pakistan’s air fleet can readily use these updates to enhance and extend the life of its aircraft.” The total value, if all options are exercised, is estimated as high as $1.3 billion, and subsequent Pentagon releases peg it at that figure.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B MLU and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:
- APG-68v9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or the APG-66(V)2 radar, which is a much smaller improvement on earlier F-16s. The APG-68 with SAR is far better at air to ground work, and can be used to monitor ground activity.
- Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
- AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
- AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems
- Have Quick I/II Radios
- Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals (MIDS-LVT)
- SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability
- Reconnaissance pod capability
- Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units (used for training exercises)
- MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits
- 21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;
- 60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;
- 1 Unit Level Trainer; and
- 10 APG-68v9 spare radar sets.
- Radars, modems, receivers, installation, avionics, spare and repair parts, support equipment, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, publications and technical documentation, system drawings, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, and other related logistics elements necessary for full program support.
- BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY
- Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
- Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX
- Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
- Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives. See DSCA release .
InsideDefense.com makes the interesting observation that Pakistan doesn’t have 60 F-16s to upgrade . The clear implication is that the Pakistani government is interested in buying used F-16s and upgrading them, which proved to be the case. As part of the deal for new planes, in Sept 30/06 the USA also agreed to deliver 26 of the “Peace Gate III/IV” F-16A/B Block 15OCUs that had been ordered in 1988-1989, then embargoed when Pakistan tested nuclear weapons. After the embargo, the planes had been diverted for use as aggressor combat training aircraft by USAF and the US Navy.
Item 4: F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR – $151 Million
F100 Engine Test
The third contract involves Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $151 million.
More specifically, the Government of Pakistan has requested engine improvements and structural modifications to its F-16 fleet, which includes a possible sale of:
- 14 F100-PW-220E engines
- 14 Falcon UP/STAR F-16 structural upgrade kits
- De-modification and preparation of 26 aircraft
- Support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to support the program.
- Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
- United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT.
upgraded pakistani f-16 carrying
sniper pod
amraams
GBU
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they got so much more . MLU + star upgrade
tem 3: F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits – $1.3 billion
JHMCS
According to the US DSCA, Pakistan intends to purchase the Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) Program equipment “to enhance survivability, communications connectivity, and extend the useful life of its F-16A/B fighter aircraft. The modifications and upgrades in this proposed sale will permit Pakistan’s F-16A/B squadron to operate safely, and enhance Pakistan’s conventional deterrent capability. Pakistan’s air fleet can readily use these updates to enhance and extend the life of its aircraft.” The total value, if all options are exercised, is estimated as high as $1.3 billion, and subsequent Pentagon releases peg it at that figure.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B MLU and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives. See DSCA release .
InsideDefense.com makes the interesting observation that Pakistan doesn’t have 60 F-16s to upgrade . The clear implication is that the Pakistani government is interested in buying used F-16s and upgrading them, which proved to be the case. As part of the deal for new planes, in Sept 30/06 the USA also agreed to deliver 26 of the “Peace Gate III/IV” F-16A/B Block 15OCUs that had been ordered in 1988-1989, then embargoed when Pakistan tested nuclear weapons. After the embargo, the planes had been diverted for use as aggressor combat training aircraft by USAF and the US Navy.
Item 4: F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR – $151 Million
F100 Engine Test
The third contract involves Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $151 million.
More specifically, the Government of Pakistan has requested engine improvements and structural modifications to its F-16 fleet, which includes a possible sale of:
upgraded pakistani f-16 carrying
sniper pod
amraams
GBU
BOOM
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Kid I am a Pakistani but patriotisim does not mean that I favor to send my highly skilled pilots in the death zone due to lack of proper equipment
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they got so much more . MLU + star upgrade
tem 3: F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits – $1.3 billion
JHMCS
According to the US DSCA, Pakistan intends to purchase the Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) Program equipment “to enhance survivability, communications connectivity, and extend the useful life of its F-16A/B fighter aircraft. The modifications and upgrades in this proposed sale will permit Pakistan’s F-16A/B squadron to operate safely, and enhance Pakistan’s conventional deterrent capability. Pakistan’s air fleet can readily use these updates to enhance and extend the life of its aircraft.” The total value, if all options are exercised, is estimated as high as $1.3 billion, and subsequent Pentagon releases peg it at that figure.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B MLU and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:
The principal contractors will be:
- APG-68v9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or the APG-66(V)2 radar, which is a much smaller improvement on earlier F-16s. The APG-68 with SAR is far better at air to ground work, and can be used to monitor ground activity.
- Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
- AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
- AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems
- Have Quick I/II Radios
- Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals (MIDS-LVT)
- SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability
- Reconnaissance pod capability
- Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units (used for training exercises)
- MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits
- 21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;
- 60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;
- 1 Unit Level Trainer; and
- 10 APG-68v9 spare radar sets.
- Radars, modems, receivers, installation, avionics, spare and repair parts, support equipment, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, publications and technical documentation, system drawings, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, and other related logistics elements necessary for full program support.
Turkish Aerospace Industries isn’t mentioned here, but they ended up with a contract to perform the upgrades on 36 F-16A/B aircraft. They’ve been doing similar work for Turkey, and for other F-16 customers in the Middle East.
- BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY
- Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
- Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX
- Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
- Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives. See DSCA release .
InsideDefense.com makes the interesting observation that Pakistan doesn’t have 60 F-16s to upgrade . The clear implication is that the Pakistani government is interested in buying used F-16s and upgrading them, which proved to be the case. As part of the deal for new planes, in Sept 30/06 the USA also agreed to deliver 26 of the “Peace Gate III/IV” F-16A/B Block 15OCUs that had been ordered in 1988-1989, then embargoed when Pakistan tested nuclear weapons. After the embargo, the planes had been diverted for use as aggressor combat training aircraft by USAF and the US Navy.
Item 4: F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR – $151 Million
F100 Engine Test
The third contract involves Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $151 million.
More specifically, the Government of Pakistan has requested engine improvements and structural modifications to its F-16 fleet, which includes a possible sale of:
The principal contractors will be:
- 14 F100-PW-220E engines
- 14 Falcon UP/STAR F-16 structural upgrade kits
- De-modification and preparation of 26 aircraft
- Support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to support the program.
There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale, but implementation of the engine modifications and UP/STAR repairs will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support, program management, and modification of the aircraft. See DSCA release [PDF].
- Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
- United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT.
upgraded pakistani f-16 carrying
sniper pod
amraams
GBU
Does PAF have Harpoon missiles for the vipers ? never seen one armed with one.
Imran bhai rocks.!!they got so much more . MLU + star upgrade
tem 3: F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits – $1.3 billion
JHMCS
According to the US DSCA, Pakistan intends to purchase the Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) Program equipment “to enhance survivability, communications connectivity, and extend the useful life of its F-16A/B fighter aircraft. The modifications and upgrades in this proposed sale will permit Pakistan’s F-16A/B squadron to operate safely, and enhance Pakistan’s conventional deterrent capability. Pakistan’s air fleet can readily use these updates to enhance and extend the life of its aircraft.” The total value, if all options are exercised, is estimated as high as $1.3 billion, and subsequent Pentagon releases peg it at that figure.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B MLU and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:
The principal contractors will be:
- APG-68v9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or the APG-66(V)2 radar, which is a much smaller improvement on earlier F-16s. The APG-68 with SAR is far better at air to ground work, and can be used to monitor ground activity.
- Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
- AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
- AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems
- Have Quick I/II Radios
- Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals (MIDS-LVT)
- SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability
- Reconnaissance pod capability
- Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units (used for training exercises)
- MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits
- 21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;
- 60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;
- 1 Unit Level Trainer; and
- 10 APG-68v9 spare radar sets.
- Radars, modems, receivers, installation, avionics, spare and repair parts, support equipment, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, publications and technical documentation, system drawings, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, and other related logistics elements necessary for full program support.
Turkish Aerospace Industries isn’t mentioned here, but they ended up with a contract to perform the upgrades on 36 F-16A/B aircraft. They’ve been doing similar work for Turkey, and for other F-16 customers in the Middle East.
- BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY
- Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
- Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX
- Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
- Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives. See DSCA release .
InsideDefense.com makes the interesting observation that Pakistan doesn’t have 60 F-16s to upgrade . The clear implication is that the Pakistani government is interested in buying used F-16s and upgrading them, which proved to be the case. As part of the deal for new planes, in Sept 30/06 the USA also agreed to deliver 26 of the “Peace Gate III/IV” F-16A/B Block 15OCUs that had been ordered in 1988-1989, then embargoed when Pakistan tested nuclear weapons. After the embargo, the planes had been diverted for use as aggressor combat training aircraft by USAF and the US Navy.
Item 4: F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR – $151 Million
F100 Engine Test
The third contract involves Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $151 million.
More specifically, the Government of Pakistan has requested engine improvements and structural modifications to its F-16 fleet, which includes a possible sale of:
The principal contractors will be:
- 14 F100-PW-220E engines
- 14 Falcon UP/STAR F-16 structural upgrade kits
- De-modification and preparation of 26 aircraft
- Support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to support the program.
There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale, but implementation of the engine modifications and UP/STAR repairs will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support, program management, and modification of the aircraft. See DSCA release [PDF].
- Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
- United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT.
upgraded pakistani f-16 carrying
sniper pod
amraams
GBU
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there is no such image on internet sir .at least i did not recall it
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