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There is also a factor forgotten by many regarding the PAF JF-17 integration.

Pre Zardari the PAF was on an accelerated cycle with training picking up and JF-17s planned to be in the hundred by now.

We don't appreciate(if that is such a term) how bad that time was for Pakistani Military and PakisTan in general.

By 2011, the JF program was pushed back 3-4 years- personnel were not getting flight time,loan repayments were not being made, even pensions were on the edge.

That was the PAF, there were relatives of mune who whilst otherwise with surging corporations during Musharrafs time were unable to pay people for 2 months during Zardari.

That government literally stripped Pakistani institutions and the economy dry like a chicken wing for five years. They left just enough so the economy could trundle along to their next stripping cycle.

There is no more person deserving of hatred by Pakistanis than Asif Ali Zardari and his cohorts
He also managed to scuttle the Type 214 and MILGEM deals. Berlin had actually prepared a payment plan for the Type 214 around the time Zardari came into power, but the attention then shifted to the DCNS Marlin, and then to nothing at all. Not to mention the eventual canning of 18 optional F-16s, 36 FC-20s, grinding halt of al-Khalid MBT production, etc.
 
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He also managed to scuttle the Type 214 and MILGEM deals. Berlin had actually prepared a payment plan for the Type 214 around the time Zardari came into power, but the attention then shifted to the DCNS Marlin, and then to nothing at all. Not to mention the eventual canning of 18 optional F-16s, 36 FC-20s, grinding halt of al-Khalid MBT production, etc.

Mushy cancelled the optional 18 F-16s to divert funds to earth quake affected areas
 
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Mushy cancelled the optional 18 F-16s to divert funds to earth quake affected areas
IIRC the contract for the 18 + 18 F-16s was finalized in 2006 - i.e. well after the earthquake - and following the diversion of funds (which also led to 2 fewer Erieye AEW&C). Before the earthquake, PAF officials were quoted saying that they planned on as many as 55 F-16 Block-52, but this was reduced to 18 + 18 optional jets. The option clause expired around 2009-2010.
 
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I may sound like a cocohead who stand on intersections and warns people that tomorrow is the last day.
But these people get recruited into secret orders or intelligence networks. The likes of Altaf Hussain, Zardari, etc etc.
I remember a while back a former General relayed the story of how he was approached by Freemasons of US Army. He had read up on freemasonry and knew all about their "new world order" so he declined despite the US ARMY freemasons offering him grand prizes and riches of unimaginable proportions.

I mean Altar for one does has proven links to hostile intelligence outfits.
He also managed to scuttle the Type 214 and MILGEM deals. Berlin had actually prepared a payment plan for the Type 214 around the time Zardari came into power, but the attention then shifted to the DCNS Marlin, and then to nothing at all. Not to mention the eventual canning of 18 optional F-16s, 36 FC-20s, grinding halt of al-Khalid MBT production, etc.
 
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There is also a factor forgotten by many regarding the PAF JF-17 integration.

Pre Zardari the PAF was on an accelerated cycle with training picking up and JF-17s planned to be in the hundred by now.

We don't appreciate(if that is such a term) how bad that time was for Pakistani Military and PakisTan in general.

By 2011, the JF program was pushed back 3-4 years- personnel were not getting flight time,loan repayments were not being made, even pensions were on the edge.

That was the PAF, there were relatives of mune who whilst otherwise with surging corporations during Musharrafs time were unable to pay people for 2 months during Zardari.

That government literally stripped Pakistani institutions and the economy dry like a chicken wing for five years. They left just enough so the economy could trundle along to their next stripping cycle.

There is no more person deserving of hatred by Pakistanis than Asif Ali Zardari and his cohorts

I refuse to believe this could have been achieved without a nefarious civil/army collusion. Let us remember that Zardari was the product of Musharraf's NRO, a parting stab by the traitor. He gathered together the very worst politicians from around the world, baptized them so they were born again and sinless, and let them run rampant. Today, he must sit back and laugh at his masterstroke.

What is even more frightening is that we know full well what Zardari did, yet he comes and goes as he pleases, with no fear of retribution.
 
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Mushy cancelled the optional 18 F-16s to divert funds to earth quake affected areas

Hi,

That is a lie---. The ACM of Paf diverted the funds to the earthquake---. He told Gen Mush that the aircraft are not needed---there is no threat from india anymore.
 
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Read again, I said Red Flag, not Anatolian Eagle. A different fellow took the honors at a different occasion. It was a WVR engagement. Goes on to show that the falcon is still a lethal adversary in the hands of capable jockey.
Italian EFs made their debut at RF in 2016.

https://www.eurofighter.com/news-and-events/2016/03/italian-eurofighter-typhoons-make-red-flag-debut
Dear, the Typhoon kills were achieved in 2008 Anatolian Eagle.
The pilot who scored those kills later on went to win the coveted Sher Afghan trophy.

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I refuse to believe this could have been achieved without a nefarious civil/army collusion. Let us remember that Zardari was the product of Musharraf's NRO, a parting stab by the traitor. He gathered together the very worst politicians from around the world, baptized them so they were born again and sinless, and let them run rampant. Today, he must sit back and laugh at his masterstroke.

What is even more frightening is that we know full well what Zardari did, yet he comes and goes as he pleases, with no fear of retribution.
Sir g tussi great ho ... i think it is a high time to start of thread on zardari ... a thread higjlighting zardari cases ... unlike NS his corruption out in the open starting from Khanani and kalia, including dewan farooq group, liyari, fisheries, bahria town, china cutting, ozair baloch,,, lets make a thread and share the info we have ..
 
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Hi,

That is a lie---. The ACM of Paf diverted the funds to the earthquake---. He told Gen Mush that the aircraft are not needed---there is no threat from india anymore.
Sir funds were never made available to PAF till that time as no agreement till that day was reached b/w Pakistan & USA for the purchase of F-16 the only thing that happened in this regards till 5 October 2005 was the US approval for the sales (again not the agreement) & Musharraf on 5 October 2005 during his visit to Margala Tower Islamabad announced the diversion of F-16 funds to earthquake affectees.
 
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I refuse to believe this could have been achieved without a nefarious civil/army collusion. Let us remember that Zardari was the product of Musharraf's NRO, a parting stab by the traitor. He gathered together the very worst politicians from around the world, baptized them so they were born again and sinless, and let them run rampant. Today, he must sit back and laugh at his masterstroke.

What is even more frightening is that we know full well what Zardari did, yet he comes and goes as he pleases, with no fear of retribution.
That is our failure as a people and no conspiracy.
 
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In 2008 ; Pakistan had entered an IMF program which
put a brake on all acquisitons programmes
South Asia

IMF Survey: Pakistan Gets $7.6 Billion Loan from IMF
IMF Survey online

November 24, 2008

  • Measures to stabilize economy while protecting the poor
  • Pakistan seeking additional donor support to improve safety net
  • Tightening of monetary conditions will help combat inflation
The IMF's Executive Board has approved a $7.6 billion loan for Pakistan to support its program to stabilize and rebuild the economy while expanding its social safety net to protect the poor.

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A worker in an iron foundry in Karachi. Pakistan will seek additional support to improve social safety nets (photo: Mohammad Zargham/PPI)

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The 23-month Stand-By loan will enable the government to implement a stabilization program that envisages a significant tightening of fiscal and monetary policies to bring down inflation and reduce the external current account deficit to more sustainable levels. The program seeks to address current macroeconomic imbalances while protecting the poor and preserving social stability in the South Asian country of 170 million people.

"By providing large financial support to Pakistan, the IMF is sending a strong signal to the donor community about the country's improved macroeconomic prospects," said IMF Deputy Managing Director Takatoshi Kato.

Pakistan's economic program

"The Government's program has two objectives: first, to restore overall economic stability and confidence through a tightening of macroeconomic policies, and second, to do so in a manner that ensures social stability and adequate support for the poor during the adjustment process," said Juan Carlos Di Tata, the IMF mission chief to Pakistan.

The Pakistan authorities have already taken some difficult steps to achieve these objectives: energy subsidies have been cut and the interest rate has been increased to tighten monetary policy. The authorities' program for the coming 24 months envisages a number of additional steps:


  • • The fiscal deficit, excluding grants, will be brought to down from 7.4 percent of GDP in 2007/08 (starting July 1) to a more manageable 4.2 percent in 2008/09 and 3.3 percent in 2009/10—in line with what it was three years ago. This fiscal adjustment will be primarily achieved by phasing out energy subsidies and strengthening revenue mobilization through tax policy and administration measures. The reduction in expenditures will create room to increase spending on the social safety net.

    • The State Bank Of Pakistan (SBP) will act on monetary policy to build its international reserves, bring down inflation to 6 percent in 2010, and eliminate central bank financing of the government. The program includes measures to improve monetary management and enhance the SBP's bank resolution capacity, and avoid the use of public resources to support the stock market.

    • Expenditure on the social safety net will be increased to protect the poorthrough both cash transfers and targeted electricity subsidies. The fiscal program for 2008/09 envisages an increase in spending on the social safety net of 0.6 percentage points of GDP to 0.9 percent of GDP. Pakistan will also work with the World Bank to prepare a more comprehensive and better targeted social safety net program.
Contribution of the IMF

The financing from the IMF will help to ease the path of adjustment and will provide a strong signal of support to the international community. Of the $7.6 billion loan, $3.1 billion will be made available by the IMF immediately to strengthen the reserve position. And the regular monitoring of the economy by the IMF will show how the macroeconomic objectives set by the Government are being met and whether they need to be adjusted in the light of changing circumstances.

"It is important to point out that the program—and its conditionality—is based on the targets and measures that the authorities have themselves set for the next two years. The IMF is convinced that the best implemented programs are the ones that are home grown and fully owned by the country," Di Tata said.

Alongside the IMF's financial support, there is an urgent need to mobilize additional donor support to strengthen Pakistan's resilience to potential shocks, help finance the expanded social safety net, and allow for higher spending on development programs. "The Fund stands ready to participate in any donor meeting to provide the economic and financial analysis that could underpin expanded support."

Implementation key to success

Success of the program could be affected by a number of risks. They arise from security and implementation uncertainties, a more severe-than-anticipated slowdown in economic activity in trading partners, and lower-than-expected private capital inflows.

"Sustained and forceful implementation will be key to the success of the program," Di Tata stated.

Previous gains

From the early 2000s to mid-2007, Pakistan's macroeconomic performance was robust. During the period 2000/01-2004/05, when Pakistan successfully implemented two IMF-supported programs, real GDP growth averaged 5 percent a year with relative price stability. The improved macroeconomic performance enabled the country to reenter international capital markets in the mid-2000s.

The macroeconomic situation, however, deteriorated significantly in 2007/08 and the first four months of 2008/09 on account of domestic and external factors. Adverse security developments, large exogenous price shocks (oil and food), and the recent global financial turmoil buffeted the economy.


https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2015/09/28/04/53/socar112408c
 
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