Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

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If both r not trust worthy then why selling them hardware ?its called double standerds .

 

[SQ8]

If both r not trust worthy then why selling them hardware ?its called double standerds .

Its called geopolitics. Pakistan can be cursed all the time but if they are willing to sell required hardware then there is no problem in getting it.

 

[nomi007]

If both r not trust worthy then why selling them hardware ?its called double standerds .

pakistan is their need

 

[_NOBODY_]

Is it possible to upgrade our F-16 C/D block 52 with AESA radar, if yes then is PAF willing to do it ?
@Horus @Quwa @The Eagle @Oscar @C130 @Windjammer @ACE OF THE AIR @Tank131 @Bilal Khan 777

 

[C130]

Is it possible to upgrade our F-16 C/D block 52 with AESA radar, if yes then is PAF willing to do it ?
@Horus @Quwa @The Eagle @Oscar @C130 @Windjammer @ACE OF THE AIR @Tank131 @Bilal Khan 777

yes any F-16 can be upgraded to the Sabre AESA.

the upgrade to F-16V along with HMS+Aim-9X would make Pakistan F-16 immensely more capable.

 

[MastanKhan]

Is it possible to upgrade our F-16 C/D block 52 with AESA radar, if yes then is PAF willing to do it ?
@Horus @Quwa @The Eagle @Oscar @C130 @Windjammer @ACE OF THE AIR @Tank131 @Bilal Khan 777

Hi,

SABR aesa is developed for that reason---to be installed in the F16's.

If both r not trust worthy then why selling them hardware ?its called double standerds .

Hi,

The reason for the sale is---afterwards you get to control them. The equipment is the bait----once the bait is taken---the the line is pulled to sink the hook deep inside---.

Once the hook sets in---then you have control---.

 

[_NOBODY_]

@C130 Thank you for sharing that video, since all of our previous F-16s were upgraded to block 40 and no airframe structural modification is required for equipping SABR AESA radar to our entire F-16 fleet then why doesn't PAF go for it as it is much cheaper as compared to acquiring a new platform ?
@Horus @Quwa @The Eagle @Oscar @Irfan Baloch @Windjammer @ACE OF THE AIR @Bilal Khan 777

 

[MastanKhan]

@C130 Thank you for sharing that video, since all of our previous F-16s were upgraded to block 40 and no airframe structural modification is required for equipping SABR AESA radar to our entire F-16 fleet then why doesn't PAF go for it as it is much cheaper as compared to acquiring a new platform ?
@Horus @Quwa @The Eagle @Oscar @Irfan Baloch @Windjammer @ACE OF THE AIR @Bilal Khan 777

Hi,

Neither they had the ballz---nor the strategy to approach the americans for that..

Aesa is a game changer----. Paf should have leased 2 sqdrns of J10C with aesa---then they should have asked the U S for aesa for the F16---.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Hi,

Neither they had the ballz---nor the strategy to approach the americans for that..

Aesa is a game changer----. Paf should have leased 2 sqdrns of J10C with aesa---then they should have asked the U S for aesa for the F16---.

I think what you are saying is that US will only offer us what we already have, if yes then JF-17 block 3 will have AESA radar. The only other 4++ generation platforms(except J-31) that Pakistan is interested in are Eurofighter Typhoon and Su-35(for navy not for airforce) and as for J-10C we don't need it since we have F-16 plus it would be a logistical nightmare for us.

 

[volatile]

Balls were always there when PAF opted in 2005 MLU/Block 52 + the kit available was best option of the time and it proved useful for last decade or so .AESA kit developed more recently with changing dimension ,we can only get AESA from US for F16 if we have already incorporated this tech in F17 or J10C (By the way J10C is still not out of race for PAF) it has been evaluated and certain recommendations for improvement were asked ,PAF planners are waiting for Rafale deal to settle 1st based on the package a customized delta configuration plan has great chances to come

 

[MastanKhan]

I think what you are saying is that US will only offer us what we already have, if yes then JF-17 block 3 will have AESA radar. The only other 4++ generation platforms(except J-31) that Pakistan is interested in are Eurofighter Typhoon and Su-35(for navy not for airforce) and as for J-10C we don't need it since we have F-16 plus it would be a logistical nightmare for us.

Hi,

Your level of potency needs to be way above the american product---so that there may not be an excuse by the senate / congress that they are tilting the tables in our favor.

Secondly----it also resolves the future threat of the sanctions which were openly made in the past and recent past.

So---you are killing three birds with a stone---you get the J10C with aesa---which is open to future upgrade for years to come---you get the aesa for your F16---which takes it to a higher level of potency----

And thirdly---the western vendors also look at you favorably to offer their electronics package for the JF17's---.

But---in order for all that to happen---you have to make a sacrifice---it is a mental sacrifice---get the J10C's with aesa----. Break the barrier---break the wall---things will happen.

Balls were always there when PAF opted in 2005 MLU/Block 52 + the kit available was best option of the time and it proved useful for last decade or so .AESA kit developed more recently with changing dimension ,we can only get AESA from US for F16 if we have already incorporated this tech in F17 or J10C (By the way J10C is still not out of race for PAF) it has been evaluated and certain recommendations for improvement were asked ,PAF planners are waiting for Rafale deal to settle 1st based on the package a customized delta configuration plan has great chances to come

Hi,

That is a total wastage of time----. The rafale package is predictable---.

In 4 years time---paf would have integrated the aircraft and performed the needed modifications and made recommendations while learning to fly the aircraft just like they did with the JF17.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Hi,

Your level of potency needs to be way above the american product---so thjat there may not be an excuse by the senate / congress that they are tilting the tables in our favor.

Secondly----it alose resolves the future threat of the sanctions which were openly made in the past and recent past.

So---you are killing three birds with a stone---you get the J10C with aesa---which is open to future upgrade for years to come---you get the aesa for your F16---which takes it to a higher level of potency----

And thirdly---the western vendors also look at you favorably to offer their electronics package for the JF17's---.

But---in order for all that to happen---you have to make a sacrifice---it is a mental sacrifice---get the J10C's with aesa----. Break the barrier---break the wall---things will happen.

Dear Sir

why dont you write directly to PAF HQ ; all your ideas about
JH 7 ; J 10 C ; enlarging the JF 17 ; AESA for F 16

Dont you think your ideas NEED to REACH the Right persons

Do the PAF authorities read PDF ??

 

[volatile]

Dear Sir

why dont you write directly to PAF HQ ; all your ideas about
JH 7 ; J 10 C ; enlarging the JF 17 ; AESA for F 16

Dont you think your ideas NEED to REACH the Right persons

Do the PAF authorities read PDF ??

Dear Friend this forum is a place where PAF enthusiastic get to gether take out there frustation .If you want people to write to PAF then there will be writing by some members
100 J10C
100 JH7B
100 SU35
50 Euro

and wish list goes on and on .Facts are professional people know what they are doing at the moment tech gap has narrowed vastly in the last few years and without putting burden on financial resources .

Hi,

That is a total wastage of time----. The rafale package is predictable---.

In 4 years time---paf would have integrated the aircraft and performed the needed modifications and made recommendations while learning to fly the aircraft just like they did with the JF17.

J10 C is unproven platform and already a similar project like F17 was taken it will not make sense to put unproven platforms together in tandem .J10C option why seems so lucrative is due to cheapest of all the available resources

 

[_NOBODY_]

Hi,

Your level of potency needs to be way above the american product---so that there may not be an excuse by the senate / congress that they are tilting the tables in our favor.

Secondly----it also resolves the future threat of the sanctions which were openly made in the past and recent past.

So---you are killing three birds with a stone---you get the J10C with aesa---which is open to future upgrade for years to come---you get the aesa for your F16---which takes it to a higher level of potency----

And thirdly---the western vendors also look at you favorably to offer their electronics package for the JF17's---.

But---in order for all that to happen---you have to make a sacrifice---it is a mental sacrifice---get the J10C's with aesa----. Break the barrier---break the wall---things will happen.

On one of your posts you wrote that PAF has money, so I say that we should go for Typhoon. We can induct it in small numbers in the beginning since we would not be in a hurry to complete a squadron. If we bought Typhoon it would allow us to get our hands on Typhoon avionics and EJ-200 for JF-17. If we don't have the money then we should take soft loans from Saudi Arabia or China. As soon as the Rafale deal is signed we should go for Typhoon.
@The Eagle @Quwa

 

[MastanKhan]

Dear Friend this forum is a place where PAF enthusiastic get to gether take out there frustation .If you want people to write to PAF then there will be writing by some members
100 J10C
100 JH7B
100 SU35
50 Euro

and wish list goes on and on .Facts are professional people know what they are doing at the moment tech gap has narrowed vastly in the last few years and without putting burden on financial resources .



J10 C is unproven platform and already a similar project like F17 was taken it will not make sense to put unproven platforms together in tandem .J10C option why seems so lucrative is due to cheapest of all the available resources

Hi,

The F16 was unproven when paf got it----the F7PG was unproven---the Rafale was unproven that is why paf did not buy it in 2004---the mirage 2 k was unproven in 1985-86----.

There is a long list of unproven aircraft that have become formidable fighter aircraft---.

Senor---when you buy a steak---you take the butcher's word for it---you don't stick your head in the bull's ar-se to make sure.

On one of your posts you wrote that PAF has money, so I say that we should go for Typhoon. We can induct it in small numbers in the beginning since we would not be in a hurry to complete a squadron. If we bought Typhoon it would allow us to get our hands on Typhoon avionics and EJ-200 for JF-17. If we don't have the money then we should take soft loans from Saudi Arabia or China. As soon as the Rafale deal is signed we should go for Typhoon.
@The Eagle @Quwa

Hi,

Well---that is what the air chief claimed when he was visiting the U S last time----he told the americans---we have other options if you don't sell---and the U S senator was reffering to those other options when he stated---if we don't sell other will and we will lose control.