MastanKhan
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Ok.......so these are the pilots who told the Indian Government not to eff with Pakistan through trying to get into a limited war, because of the scary experience of capabilities these guys had flying the -16 against the SU-30's in house?
I also heard that the Isreali -16's dominate every encounter, be it BVR or WVR simulation against Mirages and SU-30's. Israeli sources say that like the remainder of their experiences, they've maintained 1% loss against Indian top tier planes. Which is why India went to PakFa and Rafale. The SU's have yet to win a sizable engagement against the -16's.
On Singaporean pilots, these guys are, at best, like the Swedish Air-force, the got the nicer toys but don't have have any combat experience outside of NATO exercises since the WWII. So their flying of the -16 is like I'd drive a Ferrari, for fun only. But even in their case, the SU-30 hasn't been shown to "dominate" anything. The results are in -16's favor and sometime in SU's favor.
Clearly explains why the jump from the SU-30 to Rafale or a 5th Gen platform.
By the way, Pakistani pilots have flow from the Mig 29's, to SU-30's, Mirage 2000 and soon Rafales also as Egyptians are getting it. So both sides know everything about the other one's platforms. What is different and has kept India at bay, is the serious capability that the -16 offers and they still can't get to a constant 50% kill ratio, without losing a larger number of SU-30's!!!!
1) The UAE had Mirages and Pakisanis have flowing them in Combat Sorties during the second Gulf war in serious numbers!!!
2) PAF pilots have NOT only flown the SU-27 and SU-30 inside China only, they have ALSO flown these more than twice for a few weeks each inside Pakistan for exercises. For confidentiality and exercise's sake, the SU-30 was put on a far away FOB and was to act like an aggressor (Indo - Pak war scenario) , representing the "Red" force. And to counter it in exercises, the PAF used -16 alone, -16 with F-7 (larger numbers coming in from the Red force), the JFT alone, the JFT with F-7 (larger number coming in from the Red force).
3) If the Singaporeans and Isrealis are going to do everything for you, how about give them the plane and let them fight the PAF too . Its like Moma Isreali AF bird feeding the baby IAF bird, teaching the baby bird how to fly,find food and eat it !!!! And IF you are getting tactics down from the Singaporeans, only God help you. Singaporean pilots are like Swedish pilots, haven't seen a conflict for 3 generations of pilots and the best thing they can do, is to escort Russian planes on and off, or do exercises with NATO, limited to simulations only!!!! And you want these Singaporean pilots to teach you "Tactics"!!!
And that you can't win from the -16, even if you did these exercises for the next 10 years. Israeli's have maintained a 1% loss ratio against the Mirages and the SU-30's and thus, India's decision to go buy Rafale's and 5th gen from Russia. Speaks volume.
There is a reason WHY the "limited warfare" didn't happen as post 2002 was the prime time to involve Pakistan into it as they rarely even had BVR's back then. But the IAF didn't do it because these SAME pilots and exercises, have provided the real truth to the Indian leadership. If you want to attack Pakistan, be ready to lose 50-100 SU-30's and Mirages. And the COST of that, isn't digestible to the Indians. Not to mention the mockery a trying to be "soup-o-powa" would get out of this across the globe!!
And I hope I explained to you what I MEAN....double cheers mate
Hi,
I could not have put it nicer than how you have done it.