Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[BATMAN]

Can any one confirm the bold comments from lady bindiya?

Will Second-Hand F-16 Sales Rise With Budget Cuts?
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Tue, Oct 9, 2012 09:37 CET

: Many countries like Indonesia, Taiwan and Portugal have begun buying used F-16 fighter jets as defense budgets shrink.
As countries struggle under the current economic climate, defense budgets have taken a major hit causing many to invest in used fighter aircraft.

Over the last few years, developing nations have taken to buying used F-16s from allies to strengthen their air forces without spending billions on buying new aircraft.

While Lockheed Martin will charge about $70 million for a brand new F-16, a second-hand jet will cost just $15 million. For many countries on a budget, that is an attractive offer.

Budget strapped countries like Pakistan, Indonesia and Jordon besides some EU states procure used F-16 fighter jets to supplement their air forces.

Earlier this month, Portugal agreed to supply Romania with an unknown number of F-16 aircraft.

“Second-hand fighters do not mean the same thing as a second-hand car. They are disassembled to the last pieces of wing. When they are reassembled they can be used in safe conditions. The fighters are very well maintained,” said Romania’s Defence Minister Corneliu Dobritoiu.

Jordon in 2007 signed an agreement with Belgium for the sale of 14 F-16s worth $90 million. Earlier in 2009, Chile purchased 18 F-16 aircraft from the Netherlands in a contract worth $270 million.

In 2011, Pakistan requested the sale of an undisclosed number of used F-16s from the U.S to increase its air capabilities.

“Because of the disparity with India, our needs are huge,” a diplomat was quoted as saying. “Ideally, we should buy new F-16s but the current economy does not allow us to pay $40-50 million apiece”.

The same year, Indonesia agreed to buy 24 aircraft from the U.S with the first batch of 14 expected to be delivered in 2014.

Romania also purchased 24 used jets from the U.S in 2010. "We have no money and we cannot commit ourselves to such a contract without a long-term financing scheme,” said Romanian President Traian Basescu, after European groups Eurofighter and Saab criticized the transaction.

While the buyers are walking, or rather flying away with the low-cost, used F-16s, the sellers (Portugal, U.S, Netherlands, etc.) are also making a small profit that will be used to procure new replacements.

Taiwan, for instance, has awarded Lockheed Martin a $1.85 billion contract to upgrade the avionics of 145 Taiwanese Lockheed Martin F-16 A/B aircraft. Meanwhile, it is also currently negotiating with the U.S for the sale of used F-16C/D and intends to submit a letter of request (LoR) soon.

By Bindiya Thomas

Will Second-Hand F-16 Sales Rise With Budget Cuts? : Defense news

 

[Najam Khan]

Can any one confirm the bold comments from lady bindiya?

Will Second-Hand F-16 Sales Rise With Budget Cuts? : Defense news

Albeit she has made that sentence look suspicious, I believe she is referring to the 14 EDA F-16 under going negotiations.

 

[air marshal]

October 13, 2009: PAF accepts first F-16 from Peace Drive order.

 

[soul hacker]

Block 52+'s..

courtesy: Irtiza Ali

 

[fatman17]

Albeit she has made that sentence look suspicious, I believe she is referring to the 14 EDA F-16 under going negotiations.

correct!!!

 

[Windjammer]

Wing Commander Ali Naeem No.11 Squadron ''Arrows'' 2000+ Hours on F-16. He was the Demo pilot during Izmir air show Turkey.

 

[fatman17]

Quote of the Day

“I'm not speeding! I'm just flying low.”
-- Bumper sticker

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Gentleman

It is too late for Pakistan to by the 12 Portuguese Air Force F16AM/BM that are for sale. The Romanians and Bulgarians are negotiating, last week the Romanian MOD announced that they would by them for 600 Million Dollars. I remember you that the development of the MLU program is now being headed by the Portuguese with the M6.1 Tape. There was an approach by the Pakistan Government asking for information, but the Romanians send a team to Portugal for inspection and concluded that the aircraft were in very good shape. These were the best aircraft the Portuguese Technicians had found in AMARC.
They are already upgraded to the M5.2 Tape.

I remember that you could by the Venezuelan F16s and upgrade them here to the M6.1 standard here in Portugal.

M6.1 means:
 Improved IFF system (Mode 5 waveform with better distinction between friendly and enemy aircraft)
 Introduction of AIM-120D missile (two-way datalink, improved navigation and High-Angle Off-Boresight capabilities, a doubled range)
 Introduction of more advanced A/G weapons (GBU-39 SDB, GBU-54 LJDAM)
 Integration of improved Link-16 functions with net-centric capability
 Integration of a new Universal Armament Interface to standardize communication between the aircraft and the weapons, illuminating the need for new OPF tapes with every new weapon system

The Netherlands also have F16 for sale, they are selling them cheaper but with more airframe hours and less lifetime.

Greetings from Portugal

If we simply calculate this 600 million $ for 12 pieces then it says about 50 million $ a piece ... isn't it well equal to the price of a new F-16 Blk 52+ lately we get from USA

 

[fatman17]

If we simply calculate this 600 million $ for 12 pieces then it says about 50 million $ a piece ... isn't it well equal to the price of a new F-16 Blk 52+ lately we get from USA

its better to get EDA stocks which come free of cost (except for transport costs) and then one has to pay for the MLU kit only.

 

[fatman17]

Today in history

20 Oct 1976

Rollout of F-16A FSD no. 1 (#75-0745), the first full-scale development aircraft, at Fort Worth.

 

[Windjammer]

 

[Windjammer]

 

[Najam Khan]

Photo Flight of No.11 Sqn “Arrows” F-16s during 2008.

F-16A 84707 – Wg Cdr Ali Naeem
F-16A 83703 – Sqn Ldr Nauman
F-16B – Chase Pilot – Wg Cdr Sulehri

 

[JPMM]

its better to get EDA stocks which come free of cost (except for transport costs) and then one has to pay for the MLU kit only.

According to information you have here in the forum, the PAF paid 1.3 Billion $ for 60 MLU kits, this is almost half of the price of the aircraft.

Greetings

 

[Jango]

Why is the canopy colour of one F-16 a bit pale-brownish? F-16 #84707 to be precise.