Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Arsalan]

Inaugural flight on newly inducted F-16D Block 52+ by ACM Qamar Suleman
February 13, 2012

 

[fatman17]

“Good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment.”
-- Unknown

 

[Last Hope]

we brough the f-16 for nearly 90 million..
i dont know why people cant get this simple fact..
1.5 billion were set for 18 f-16s (3.0 billion for 36 f-16)..its all over the net, every where, yet our members quote half the price?????

thunder block 1 price was set for 18-19 million..800million for 42 jets..dont know why its price is quoted at 15 million?

Ziaulislam.

The F-16s we bought costed $45Mn per unit. The Price of $1.8Bn included training of pilots, the AIM-120s, GBU-31 and other weapons. I guess that JHMCS was also a part of this, not sure.

 

[ziaulislam]

Item 1: 36 New F-16 Block 50/52s – $3 billion
Item 2: Weapons for the New F-16s – $650 Million
Item 3: F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits – $1.3 billion
Item 4: F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR – $151 Million
Deal Updates and Progress [updated]
Potential Controversies (July 5, 2006)

Item 1: 36 New F-16 Block 50/52s – $3 billion


PAF F-16D Block 52
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The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of up to 36 F-16C Block 50 and F-16D Block 52 two-seater aircraft – a buy of 18 jets, with an option for another 18. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $3 billion.

The planes will be equipped with the APG-68(V)9 radars, which are the most modern F-16 radar except for the UAE’s F-16E/F Block 60 “Desert Falcons” and their AN/APG-80 AESA. The engine contract was less certain. Pakistan’s existing F-16s use the Pratt & Whitney F100 engine, the new planes involved a competition between Pratt & Whitney’s F100-PW-229 or General Electric’s F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (IPEs). Pratt & Whitney kept their customer, and supplied the new F-16s with their F100-PW-229 EEP variant.

The package for Pakistan’s new F-16s also includes:
7 spare F100-PW-229 EEP or F110-GE-129 IPE engines (F100-PW-229 EEP selected)
7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets
36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II
36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs) that fit along the aircraft’s sides to give them extra range
36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; see tactical uses of MIDS-LVT Link 16 systems
36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems
36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare (ALQ-211 AIDEW) Suites without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (picked); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM
1 Unit Level Trainer
Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability.

The principal contractors under Pakistan’s “Peace Drive” buy will be:
Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company, Fort Worth, TX
Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control, Dallas, TX
BAE Advanced Systems Greenlawn, NY
Boeing Corporation Seattle, WA
Boeing Integrated Defense Systems: St Louis, MO; Long Beach, CA; San Diego, CA
Raytheon Company: Lexington, MA; Goleta, CA
Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, AZ
Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT; or
General Electric Aircraft Engines in Cincinnati, OH

There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support and program management of the aircraft. See DSCA release [PDF].

$5.1B Proposed Sales, Upgrades, Weapons Pakistan’s F-16s

so only training and few spare parts are included in this package but it comes by default, you cant buy a fighter without being trained/basic spare parts?..if you are thinking of construction costs, so ofcourse it isnt that high , point is the company has to take its profits....but for all practical purposes the f-16 costs near 90 million for us, if we had gone for option of another 18 it would have still cost the same wether we get trained or not..
..the weapons deal was different that cost 650 million..

---------- Post added at 11:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:02 PM ----------

Item 2: Weapons for the New F-16s – $650 Million

To equip those new F-16s, the Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:
500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
12 AMRAAM training missiles – these have seeker warheads but lack engines
200 AIM-9M-8/9 Sidewinder Short-Range Air-Air Missiles; they are the version before the fifth-generation AIM-9X.
240 LAU-129/A Launchers – these support AMRAAM or Sidewinder missiles.
500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits
1,600 Enhanced Paveway GBU-12 (500 lb.) and GBU-24s (2,000 lb.) with dual laser/GPS guidance
800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs
700 BLU-109 2,000 pound bunker-buster bombs with the FMU-143 Fuse
Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability will also be provided.



all of this has been posted several times on this forum

 

[farhan_9909]

Ziaulislam.

The F-16s we bought costed $45Mn per unit. The Price of $1.8Bn included training of pilots, the AIM-120s, GBU-31 and other weapons. I guess that JHMCS was also a part of this, not sure.

No the 3billions doesnt include the weapons or anything else cost

and 15millions means a average cost

 

[Edevelop]

This might be a weird question. Can F-16 take PL-5 and SD-10 if we run out and or get sanctioned by the U.S's Aim-9 and Aim-120?

 

[mymeaningislion]

This might be a weird question. Can F-16 take PL-5 and SD-10 if we run out and or get sanctioned by the U.S's Aim-9 and Aim-120?

yes in case if you have architectural design and knowledge of the circuits ( it is very very difficult to get any idea by mere physical examination as the chips have millions of Gates built in and the sequence and design is known to manufacturer but by physical examination "functions" can be determined to an extent) so now come to the main point how it can be done ................look F16 have some software as which is acting as system software as windows does for PC and this system software is installed and design for specific hardware means ammunition and it helps the different parts to cordinate and work in a manner instructed...... so to install a new hardware you have to update the software so to synchronize its system software to communicate its messages with the hardware to be installed but here a glitch comes as the said missile have also its own set of instruction so you also have to decode it first......... simply you havve to solve the mystery from both ends........... this is the case if US does not allow us to do so...........and in current situation to think that US will allow us to do as we wish is day dreaming.............. if have any confusion plz ask i will gladly answer the question......... takecare bro

regards

Azhar

 

[fatman17]

yes in case if you have architectural design and knowledge of the circuits ( it is very very difficult to get any idea by mere physical examination as the chips have millions of Gates built in and the sequence and design is known to manufacturer but by physical examination "functions" can be determined to an extent) so now come to the main point how it can be done ................look F16 have some software as which is acting as system software as windows does for PC and this system software is installed and design for specific hardware means ammunition and it helps the different parts to cordinate and work in a manner instructed...... so to install a new hardware you have to update the software so to synchronize its system software to communicate its messages with the hardware to be installed but here a glitch comes as the said missile have also its own set of instruction so you also have to decode it first......... simply you havve to solve the mystery from both ends........... this is the case if US does not allow us to do so...........and in current situation to think that US will allow us to do as we wish is day dreaming.............. if have any confusion plz ask i will gladly answer the question......... takecare bro

regards

Azhar

in the past PAF was able to successfully integrate US missiles on chinese aircraft, however integrating chinese origin missiles on US aircraft has not been attempted....

 

[CallsignAlzaeem]

http://http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/10325/a-visit-to-shamsi-airbase-all-is-well/

''I reached Shamsi airbase along with several other journalists and senior Pakistan Air Force officials, to inspect the 36 new F-16 C Block 52 fighters.''

 

[SQ8]

http://http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/10325/a-visit-to-shamsi-airbase-all-is-well/

''I reached Shamsi airbase along with several other journalists and senior Pakistan Air Force officials, to inspect the 36 new F-16 C Block 52 fighters.''

Which he was expecting according to misinformation.. but there were not 36 there.

 

[[--Leo--]]

http://http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/10325/a-visit-to-shamsi-airbase-all-is-well/

''I reached Shamsi airbase along with several other journalists and senior Pakistan Air Force officials, to inspect the 36 new F-16 C Block 52 fighters.''

Just when we get 36 block 52?

 

[CallsignAlzaeem]

Which he was expecting according to misinformation.. but there were not 36 there.

Agreed never trust Pakistani media when it comes to aviation.

 

[Last Hope]

Agreed never trust Pakistani media when it comes to aviation.

Aviation? I'd rather say never trust Pakistani media when it comes to Military (unless they quote ISPR) or political drama.
Just trust all the bad news they give. That's what they are worth for.

 

[Imran Khan]

Agreed never trust Pakistani media when it comes to aviation.

just look apron of shamsi it can't park 4 f-16 yaar irs 110*60 meters

even you parked on runway 5-6 more will come

 

[SQ8]

The MLU's from Turkey have arrived in Pakistan after the acceptance(delivery) ceremony in Turkey on feb 8th.