Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[ghazi52]

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[Bratva]

I'll get back to you in the morning...

I guess they were not willing to discuss that with you.

 

[Trailer23]

I guess they were not willing to discuss that with you.

Sorry, completely forgot about the message.

Yeah - regarding that. Lets just say that he's (just) a guest for a few weeks.

Indirectly, there are others that pull rank ahead of him, but does not mean that he won't get there at some point.

 

[ghazi52]

Today's formation over Islamabad...........

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[Scorpiooo]

 

[Scorpiooo]

Viper unleashed over Parade Ground...!

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

PAF F-16C Block 52+ from No 5 MR Squadron Falcons approaching Nellis AFB Nevada during Ex Red Flag. Aircraft is equipped with Sniper ATP and ACMI pod.

 

[Bratva]

There is some sort of F-16 upgrade negotiations on going for Pakistani F-16's, im not sure what but let me get your details i'll ask my colleague whose F-16 expert and couldnt make it to DIMDEX 2022, and then i'll let you know Tomorrow - Lockeheed martin Rep at Dimdex 2022

 

[baqai]

F-16 V upgrade most probably?

 

[Windjammer]

 

[ghazi52]

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[MIRauf]

There is some sort of F-16 upgrade negotiations on going for Pakistani F-16's, im not sure what but let me get your details i'll ask my colleague whose F-16 expert and couldnt make it to DIMDEX 2022, and then i'll let you know Tomorrow - Lockeheed martin Rep at Dimdex 2022

Raider21 posted about a "may be upgrade that he may be part of" last week, perhaphs he may shed some light about it that is if it doesn't break any security concerns.

 

[SQ8]

1 - The original business case for the F16s was about 110 fighters and the infrastructure was setup to support that many - but PAF is now stuck at a little over 70 odd. So - alot of wasted time/effort/money in infrastructure to support a larger fleet than what PAF has ..
2 - The F16s spent a large portion of their life under sanctions with limited spare parts supplies which comprimised their actual military value during those sanctions. Parts were begged/borrowed and Kaiser has been clear in his commentary of the 2001 standoff with India, there wasn't enough spare parts to keep up the temp of operations.
3 - They just about got a MLU upgrade to take them to Block 50 standards when the 18 Block 52's were bought.
4 - There is no possibility of upgrading to V standard/AESA radars for the last 1/3 of their life.
5 - The Block 52+ were never allowed to be sold with DRFM jamming.
6 - No AIM-9X were sold - even though they got the Helmet that would have allowed them to be used.
7 - No real possibility of purchasing new F16s ..
8 - No possibility of even 2nd hard F16s to get to the original number of 110 that PAF planned.

I am sure others on this forum can highlight more reasons than what i have listed above... but it should give you a taste of why I dont think the F16 platform has been "allowed to achieve its full potential.".

Yes - the country is safer with the current fleet than not having it - but that is different to saying the acquisition of the F16s have fullfiled the original plans the PAF had and then allowed the full potential of what the platform should have been able to offer had it kept pace with the growth of the platform else where interms of capbility growth and upgrades.

The F16 fleet in the PAF will now wither away, decay and die prematurely as it will not be "allowed" to keep pace with the overall developments and enhancements of the F16 platform being made by the manufacturer.

3. Do you know the difference between a block 50 versus a 52?

4.Correct - would be waste of funds

5. You sure about that

6. No money

7. Geopolitics - doesn’t mean the ones Pakistan has cannot fight

8. Numbers change with funds, time and geopolitical considerations

 

[baqai]

Sorry, completely forgot about the message.

Yeah - regarding that. Lets just say that he's (just) a guest for a few weeks.

Indirectly, there are others that pull rank ahead of him, but does not mean that he won't get there at some point.

moving to J-10's or to that upcoming Viper update people are talking about?

 

[Trailer23]

moving to J-10's or to that upcoming Viper update people are talking about?

J-10's highly unlikely.

Don't have any clue 'bout any Viper Update.

It seems we have a Viper Update every 2nd Month. We must be on Update 87.0 by now.