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Pakistan expels 'spy' diplomat

RAPTOR said:
Your pathetic attempts to defend your fellow RAW TERRORIST are utterly repugnant. Your peabrained idiotic comments are neither funny nor interesting. Instead of degrading this forum....why dont you indians present something that is not utter BS??

Should that not be applying to you?

It is time you start contributing something worthwhile than the mere whine and wails!

Yes, as per PDF, I am a RAW chap. And I don't even post there. Imagine the fear my very name creates! ;) You seem to be swamped by the same irrational fear. Check your post on the stuff you wrote about Israel wanting to bomb the hell out of Arabia and making a greater Israel.

Please see a psychiatrist.

Sadly, the GOI doesn't feel so (i.e. that I am a RAW man!) ;)

Do develop some repartee rather than whine and wail.

Mods: Sorry about this, but RAPTOR just about gets anyone's goat.
Let him not convert this into another PDF.
 
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RAPTOR said:
What i wanna know is.......WHAT THE HELL WAS THIS RAW TERRORIST DOING HIDING IN A KIOSK ON THE MOTORWAY? Planning an attack i guess. What a Scumbag.

where are the links of the previous posts
 
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Owais said:
Look what a childish reaction!

Owais, you can always count on that "country" to display such behavior. Can you expect anything else from them?

I wonder what this indian terrorist was up to? since Aug 14th is so near and there have already been warnings about RAW (indian terrorists) planning undesirable activities in Pakistan......
 
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Salim said:
Sadly, the GOI doesn't feel so (i.e. that I am a RAW man!) ;)

yeh cuz u r more suitable for RAW chief seat sir ;)

Will u plz clean the mess in ur inbox so that i can PM u ?
 
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Bull: Consider this a warning. You have repeatedly ignored requests to stop 'chatting' on the main forum, the PM feature is there for you to use. Any further 'chat up' posts will be deleted without warning as has already been done to other such posts of yours in this thread.
 
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Monday, August 07, 2006 E-Mail this article to a friend Printer Friendly Version

EDITORIAL: Tit-for-tat pantomime that no one buys

Pakistan has declared counsellor Deepak Kaul at the Indian High Commission in Islamabad persona non grata and asked him to leave Pakistan within 48 hours. He was allegedly caught “red handed” receiving “sensitive” documents in a service area on the Rawalpindi-Lahore road while on his way to India by road from Lahore to Amritsar. New Delhi has responded with unholy but familiar haste, finding Mr Kaul’s counterpart at the Pakistani High Commission, counsellor Syed Rafeeq Ahmed, ‘guilty’ of spying activity. No one is surprised, but a lot of well-meaning people on both sides will worry about how the two governments will handle the tit-for-tat they have started.

India has returned the compliment by threatening that the expulsion of Mr Kaul will affect the peace process negatively. Pakistan asserts, naively, that the Indian diplomat was involved in espionage and that Islamabad had suggested to New Delhi to keep the expulsion hush-hush, but that the Indians went public on it and resorted to counter-expulsion. The Indian side says no request was received for keeping the incident under wraps. Pakistan says it was within its rights to declare an offending diplomat persona non grata; India says Pakistan violated the relevant Geneva Convention by apprehending the diplomat and keeping him in illegal custody “hooded and handcuffed” before handing him over.

Islamabad went close to the “red line” of bilateral expulsions when it took Mr Kaul into the Foreign Office and then “handed him over” to an official of the Indian High Commission like a criminal. In the past, the two countries have resorted to quite cruelly beating up each other’s diplomats, risking a steep decline in mutual conduct unworthy of a state these days. Both pack their missions with “spooks” and spy on each other with a fixation that should surprise the world. They pretend to have secrets that no one knows and presume rather stupidly that only their own accredited diplomats and no other country can get at them. Yet both have a free press that denudes the state of its secrets with dull regularity.

India could have “notched up” its reprisal by doling out the same treatment to the Pakistani counsellor. Thankfully it did not. Yet if an escalation is in the works, the under-cover spooks on both sides should prepare to have their “foreign posting” ruined by getting picked up and bashed up. We had incidents in the days of General Zia’s “cricket diplomacy” when both sides staged entrapments and then roughed up the putative “diplomats”. In one instance, a Pakistani man beaten up in New Delhi had to be brought back on a stretcher. Memoirs written by Pakistani secret agents reveal that India and Pakistan relied on the intelligence of very low-level personnel to apply the bastinado to each other’s diplomats. At one time the expulsions came so thick and fast that the intelligence agencies complained of having lost most of their “posts”, and the trigger-happy agents tailing diplomats were asked to “cool it”.

The pantomime is shameful and no one really thinks it is serious stuff, apart from being an accepted mode of bilateral ‘signalling’. In the past whenever the two neighbours have indulged in this pastime it has invariably seemed as though things are getting out of hand through such tit-for-tat escalation and its low-IQ application. But this kind of signalling can be dangerous if the two sides have been whingeing about violating each other’s territorial integrity. At the present juncture, Pakistan is accusing India of stuffing its consulates in Afghanistan with spies of all kinds and spreading around billions of rupees as incentive for terrorists to attack installations in Balochistan. Some observers link the expulsion of Mr Kaul to the recent “discovery” of millions of rupees in a Baloch farari camp. On the other side India has accused Pakistan of getting one of its “terrorist organisations” to cause blasts in Mumbai. Equally, India has allegedly provided proof of Pakistan’s villainy to Islamabad and Pakistan has provided similar proof of Indian villainy to Kabul.

It is time to stop this sort of bilateral hostility from getting out of hand. Above all, it is important not to use expulsion of diplomats as a means of expressing bilateral anger. One, any action taken in this regard can be responded to through “reciprocal” action. Two, both have large staffs serving in their missions and most of them, barring the spooks, are needed for public service — mainly issuance of visas. There is a groundswell of complaints about delays and hardships in getting visas, especially in cases of emergency. Tit-for-tat action in the past has served no purpose. It won’t this time either. It should be given up. *
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\08\07\story_7-8-2006_pg3_1

Worth a look!
 
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Hi,

Pakistani intelligence forces may need to be a little pro-active. If there is a video that should have been displayed. Next time they need to video tape the exchange.

They screwed up again by giving the oppurtunity to india to respond quietly, which they didnot.
 
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Salim said:
Kiosk can be for any purpose.

Telephone or have a snack, depends upon what is a kiosk supposed to be in that country.

Check the dictionary.

Eating or telephoning is prohibited in Pakistan?

True, even planning an attack which all can know about and hence save lives! ;)

Confidence Building Measures, I presume! :biggrin:
Right and documents with sensitive Information about Pakistan which he was carrying?

Sharing his daily espionage with the tea man? :rolleyes:
 
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Asim Aquil said:
Right and documents with sensitive Information about Pakistan which he was carrying?

Sharing his daily espionage with the tea man? :rolleyes:
Does Pakistan not spy on India?
 
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parihaka said:
Does Pakistan not spy on India?

The posts so far indicates that they don't.

Indeed if there was sensitive documents, the diplomat would not move to Wagah border to hand it over in person to Indian intelligence. He would in all probability despatch the same through the diplomatic pouch.

Further, he surely he would not stop to have a cuppa.
 
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Salim said:
The posts so far indicates that they don't.

Indeed if there was sensitive documents, the diplomat would not move to Wagah border to hand it over in person to Indian intelligence. He would in all probability despatch the same through the diplomatic pouch.

Further, he surely he would not stop to have a cuppa.

Oh come on Sir You know well they use different mods of spying and sending information to the concerned persons.

BTW was he so hungry and in need to having a cup of tea that he stopped at a KIOSK or in other words "KHOKHA" :biggrin: and that too while being a diplomat of a country.
 
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parihaka said:
Does Pakistan not spy on India?
I hope they do.

But that doesn't mean when our guy would get caught India should hesitate to kick him out.

We have to make it hard for them to spy on us shouldn't we?
 
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Salim said:
The posts so far indicates that they don't.

Indeed if there was sensitive documents, the diplomat would not move to Wagah border to hand it over in person to Indian intelligence. He would in all probability despatch the same through the diplomatic pouch.

Further, he surely he would not stop to have a cuppa.
Maybe he was going to meet someone. The Chai wala could be a rendezvous point.
 
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