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‘Pakistan doesn’t have to choose between US and China’

Anwar Iqbal Published September 1, 2022 Updated about 3 hours ago




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• Secretary of State’s aide says US worried by Islamabad’s path as nations entering into deals with China ‘don’t end up well’
WASHINGTON: The United States doesn’t ask Pakistan to choose between it and China, but rather wants countries “to be able to have a choice”. However, Washington is worried that nations entering into relationships with China “are not going to end up well”, said Derek Chollet, a senior adviser to the US Secretary of State.
In an interview with Dawn, Counselor Chollet said Washington was not “afraid of competing with China, but would like to have a fair competition”.
He stressed that the US had honest differences with both India and Pakistan, but wanted to maintain and diversify its strong relationship with Islamabad.
Mr Chollet also spoke about former prime minister Imran Khan’s allegations of US involvement in toppling his government, pointing out that those claims were completely baseless.
Asked if the US was upset with the former premier and those allegations make him a less liked politician in the States, Mr Chollet said: “All I can say is that there is nothing to the allegations. Those were not true.”
“What we want to stay focused on is where we are going in the US-Pakistan relationship, to reflect on all that we have achieved in 75 years but also all that we must achieve in the coming 75 years.”
The US official also underlined Washington’s concerns about the current floods in Pakistan, pointing out that the Biden administration already announced $30 million in assistance and was willing to do more.
“These horrific floods are something that we have not seen since 2010. And by some accounts, it is worse than the floods of 2010,” he said. “It is a climate cataclysm that we are seeing in Pakistan. It is just devastating.”
The US, he said, was committed to “doing our part with our partners in the international community to help Pakistan respond to this terrible natural disaster.”
The US would also work with the United Nations to raise $160m for the flood victims, he added.
Responding to a question about his statement that the US was not afraid of having a fair competition with China, he said: “Pakistan has a close relationship with China, has for many years. The US again, is not asking countries to choose between the US and China. We just want countries to be able to have a choice.”
Reminded that in the past, this relationship was more linked to US security concerns about the region, Mr Chollet said: “We are interested in diversifying the relationship even further. We already have a fairly strong and robust business relationship. But I think that is something that we are interested in growing further.”
Asked if Pakistan still had strategic value for the US, he said: “Oh, absolutely. I mean, Pakistan is one of the world’s largest Muslim countries. It has the fifth or sixth largest population. It is a critically important country to the US.”
“And that is why we are committed as we project forward over the next 75 years, to find ways that we can deepen this partnership and achieve so many of the shared interests and goals that we have.”
On a question about why sometimes people in Pakistan feel that India gets an unfair advantage — for instance, Washington allows it to purchase cheap oil from Russia while preventing Pakistan from doing so — Mr Chollet said: “Our relationship with each country stands on its own. And we have much that we share with both countries,” he said. “We do have honest differences with both countries. What matters is how we work through those differences.”
“Our perspective in terms of working with Pakistan is we are going to work through those differences in the spirit of partnership, and cooperation and try to keep an eye on all that we share. We both are going to remain true to our interests and our values. But we see much that we share together.”
Do US concerns about China make India a more valuable ally? To this, he said: “These relationships, we do not see them as conjoined. They are separate relationships. And we have separate sets of goals, ambitions, and challenges with both countries.”
However, he agreed that the US had a concern about China globally. “In South Asia and in East Asia, in Southeast Asia, all around the world, China is playing a role that in many cases is not consistent with what we think our interests are,” he said.
The US, he said, committed to finding ways to work with China on shared interests, for example, on climate change, but the Chinese pulled out of these discussions.
Asked if Pakistan could also face a Sri Lanka-like situation because of the Chinese loans, he said: “What we are worried about is that countries — whether in South Asia or all around the world — entering into relationships with China are not going to end up well.”
“And so, we want to be very candid with countries about the choices that they make. And again, the critical thing, it is not for the US to decide, these are choices.”
Published in Dawn, September 1st, 2022

Pakistan has no choice but to choose between US and China.
 
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Pakistan has no choice but to choose between US and China.
Choose China.

Then ask China to help the Pakistani economy.

Buy Pakistani textiles, agricultural products, and manufactured products.

Help the Pakistani economy, so we can help ourselves.

Some intellectuals said don't even buy American products or accept charity.

Go for China instead.
 
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you have not proven Lithuania problems are due to China's sanctions. Poland has 15.6% inflation rate. What is that attributed to ?
It is amazing on PDF Chinese and Pakistanis have to speak for everyone. Do you see Lithuanians complaining about lack of American or European support ?

Why do you keep trolling ? Is the title of the thread about Lithuania.

Even if Lithuanians want to complain about the USA, will the American controlled media allow them to complain?
Before I told you about Lithuania's CPI, did you hear the media tell you that Lithuania now has the highest inflation rate in Europe and the third in the world? These media will only report on the top two CPI, that is, Turkey and Sri Lanka, right?
Do you think Lithuanians have a channel to make a voice?


Yes, except that the CPI of Lithuania began to rise in November 2021, that is, the first month after China announced the second level sanctions, except that the CPI of Lithuania was higher than that of other EU countries by more than 10%, and except the CPI of Lithuania had exceeded 11% before the outbreak of the Ukraine war. China has no evidence to prove that Lithuania's economic situation is related to China's secondary sanctions.
So you think the USA has no obligation to help Lithuania, right?
 
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Pakistan doesn't have to choose but if it becomes necessary then Pakistan should choose

US over China

Turkiye over Russia

UK over EU

Saudia over Iran

Afghanistan over Bangladesh

Malaysia over Indonesia

Exactly, Pakistan can receive loans from China.

Then we can have target dates when to repay the Chinese loans.

Like in 10, 25, or 50 years.

Chinese loans are okay but US aid is much better.
 
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Choose China.

Then ask China to help the Pakistani economy.

Buy Pakistani textiles, agricultural products, and manufactured products.

Help the Pakistani economy, so we can help ourselves.

Some intellectuals said don't even buy American products or accept charity.

Go for China instead.

EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS!

But inbuilt inferiority complex from the colonial era and racial lust for blue eyes blonds will keep on hindering the decision :(
 
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Even if Lithuanians want to complain about the USA, will the American controlled media allow them to complain?
Before I told you about Lithuania's CPI, did you hear the media tell you that Lithuania now has the highest inflation rate in Europe and the third in the world? These media will only report on the top two CPI, that is, Turkey and Sri Lanka, right?
Do you think Lithuanians have a channel to make a voice?


Yes, except that the CPI of Lithuania began to rise in November 2021, that is, the first month after China announced the second level sanctions, except that the CPI of Lithuania was higher than that of other EU countries by more than 10%, and except the CPI of Lithuania had exceeded 11% before the outbreak of the Ukraine war. China has no evidence to prove that Lithuania's economic situation is related to China's secondary sanctions.
So you think the USA has no obligation to help Lithuania, right?

Pakistan has a higher inflation rate than Lithuania. You are quoting bogus figures

What does Lithuania have to do with this thread ? You cannot digest the fact Pakistan went for an IMF loan
 
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Pakistan doesn't have to choose but if it becomes necessary then Pakistan should choose

US over China

Turkiye over Russia

UK over EU

Saudia over Iran

Afghanistan over Bangladesh

Malaysia over Indonesia



Chinese loans are okay but US aid is much better.
Why you chose Malaysia over Indonesia ? Only because Mahathir support on Kasmir which is only statement ?

Indonesia support Pakistan in 1965 war and ready to have a war with India during that time and that is not merely statement
 
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Why you chose Malaysia over Indonesia ? Only because Mahathir support on Kasmir which is only statement ?

Indonesia support Pakistan in 1965 war and ready to have a war with India during that time and that is not merely statement

he is referring to the edible oil contracts doled out by India and Pakistan to Malaysia and Indonesia
 
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he is referring to the edible oil contracts doled out by India and Pakistan to Malaysia and Indonesia

For information, Pakistan is the first country getting huge amount of Indonesian CPO right after Indonesia relief its palm oil export ban.

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Pakistan, Indonesia FM’s emphasized on bilateral cooperation at OIC level​


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    05th Aug, 2022. 04:51 pm

    Pakistan, Indonesia FM’s emphasized on bilateral cooperation at OIC level
    • Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari and Indonesia’s Retno Marsudi reached an agreement on Friday to expand frequent discussion at all levels
    • The two foreign ministers expressed their pleasure over the pace of steady growth in bilateral ties. This meeting was conducted to further cement and add impetus to the relationship
    • The two ministers of foreign affairs talked about the significant role that women play in both Pakistan and Indonesia
    • It was determined to continue working together on matters of shared concern
    • PHNOM PENH: Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari and Indonesia’s Retno Marsudi reached an agreement on Friday to expand frequent discussion at all levels, including collaboration at the level of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC).


    During a discussion that took place on the margins of the 29th ministerial conference of the ARF, the two foreign ministers expressed their pleasure over the pace of steady growth in bilateral ties. This meeting was conducted to further cement and add impetus to the relationship.

    Both foreign ministers agreed that Pakistan and Indonesia, as the two largest Islamic nations, ought to engage closely with one another, including within the framework of the OIC and other international organizations.

 
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For information, Pakistan is the first country getting huge amount of Indonesian CPO right after Indonesia relief its palm oil export ban.

For some reason there is a competitive relationship between Malaysia and Indonesia - maybe it is just about edible oil contracts. Malaysia and Indonesia are the largest sellers. India and Pakistan are among the largest buyers.
 
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For some reason there is a competitive relationship between Malaysia and Indonesia - maybe it is just about edible oil contracts. Malaysia and Indonesia are the largest sellers. India and Pakistan are among the largest buyers.

There is a relation of the same race between Indonesia and Malaysia.

Indonesian singer was in Malaysia 9 days ago and this is how Malaysian see her who is still 19 years old


Many Indonesian bands perform in Malaysia before Covid period

 
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‘Pakistan doesn’t have to choose between US and China’

Anwar Iqbal Published September 1, 2022 Updated about 3 hours ago




41
Derek Chollet

Derek Chollet
LISTEN TO ARTICLE1x1.2x1.5x
• Secretary of State’s aide says US worried by Islamabad’s path as nations entering into deals with China ‘don’t end up well’
WASHINGTON: The United States doesn’t ask Pakistan to choose between it and China, but rather wants countries “to be able to have a choice”. However, Washington is worried that nations entering into relationships with China “are not going to end up well”, said Derek Chollet, a senior adviser to the US Secretary of State.
In an interview with Dawn, Counselor Chollet said Washington was not “afraid of competing with China, but would like to have a fair competition”.
He stressed that the US had honest differences with both India and Pakistan, but wanted to maintain and diversify its strong relationship with Islamabad.
Mr Chollet also spoke about former prime minister Imran Khan’s allegations of US involvement in toppling his government, pointing out that those claims were completely baseless.
Asked if the US was upset with the former premier and those allegations make him a less liked politician in the States, Mr Chollet said: “All I can say is that there is nothing to the allegations. Those were not true.”
“What we want to stay focused on is where we are going in the US-Pakistan relationship, to reflect on all that we have achieved in 75 years but also all that we must achieve in the coming 75 years.”
The US official also underlined Washington’s concerns about the current floods in Pakistan, pointing out that the Biden administration already announced $30 million in assistance and was willing to do more.
“These horrific floods are something that we have not seen since 2010. And by some accounts, it is worse than the floods of 2010,” he said. “It is a climate cataclysm that we are seeing in Pakistan. It is just devastating.”
The US, he said, was committed to “doing our part with our partners in the international community to help Pakistan respond to this terrible natural disaster.”
The US would also work with the United Nations to raise $160m for the flood victims, he added.
Responding to a question about his statement that the US was not afraid of having a fair competition with China, he said: “Pakistan has a close relationship with China, has for many years. The US again, is not asking countries to choose between the US and China. We just want countries to be able to have a choice.”
Reminded that in the past, this relationship was more linked to US security concerns about the region, Mr Chollet said: “We are interested in diversifying the relationship even further. We already have a fairly strong and robust business relationship. But I think that is something that we are interested in growing further.”
Asked if Pakistan still had strategic value for the US, he said: “Oh, absolutely. I mean, Pakistan is one of the world’s largest Muslim countries. It has the fifth or sixth largest population. It is a critically important country to the US.”
“And that is why we are committed as we project forward over the next 75 years, to find ways that we can deepen this partnership and achieve so many of the shared interests and goals that we have.”
On a question about why sometimes people in Pakistan feel that India gets an unfair advantage — for instance, Washington allows it to purchase cheap oil from Russia while preventing Pakistan from doing so — Mr Chollet said: “Our relationship with each country stands on its own. And we have much that we share with both countries,” he said. “We do have honest differences with both countries. What matters is how we work through those differences.”
“Our perspective in terms of working with Pakistan is we are going to work through those differences in the spirit of partnership, and cooperation and try to keep an eye on all that we share. We both are going to remain true to our interests and our values. But we see much that we share together.”
Do US concerns about China make India a more valuable ally? To this, he said: “These relationships, we do not see them as conjoined. They are separate relationships. And we have separate sets of goals, ambitions, and challenges with both countries.”
However, he agreed that the US had a concern about China globally. “In South Asia and in East Asia, in Southeast Asia, all around the world, China is playing a role that in many cases is not consistent with what we think our interests are,” he said.
The US, he said, committed to finding ways to work with China on shared interests, for example, on climate change, but the Chinese pulled out of these discussions.
Asked if Pakistan could also face a Sri Lanka-like situation because of the Chinese loans, he said: “What we are worried about is that countries — whether in South Asia or all around the world — entering into relationships with China are not going to end up well.”
“And so, we want to be very candid with countries about the choices that they make. And again, the critical thing, it is not for the US to decide, these are choices.”
Published in Dawn, September 1st, 2022
Actually our establishment tried to do the same with China as we usually treat USA, but China didnt feed the money hungry establishment of Pakistan. Thus, relations with China will never cross a certain limit till Pakistanis either kill each and every harami sitting in our establishment or we totally change our ruling setup.
Till then, USA is our mybap, bhotar, andata, meda sain, serkar, abu jan and last but not least Khuda.
 
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if it was $5.6 billion Pakistan does not have to deal with IMF
I don't know if Pakistan want to limit its channels of borrowing to just China and Saudi, Pakistan might want to keep all possible channels open.
 
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I don't know if Pakistan want to limit its channels of borrowing to just China and Saudi, Pakistan might want to keep all possible channels open.

if the conditions were not onerous that make sense
 
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